Indirectly expanding your social circle by taking classes (e.g. drawing, cooking, gym, hiking)

[oc16]

I took an interactive cooking class tonight and I have done a few of these before (in addition to escorted hikes, bird watching, etc.)

There was actually a couple of cute women in the class tonight, although they were about 25 years my junior. One had a boyfriend and came with her Mom, but I talked to her a little bit.

I also made small talk with some of the older women in the class.

My point: You probably won't meet a potential hookup or girlfriend material at one of these events.

However.....the more people you meet at these events; the more you have a chance of running into them while out and about weeks or months later.

Perhaps, they recognize you and there are attractive women with them.

You now have an opportunity you would not have had if you didn't take these classes.

Same thing can be said for those cute women you see in the gym a few times a week, but never had the opportunity to talk to them. "Hey, don't I know you from the gym?" Bingo! You now have a reason to talk to them.

Long shot? Yes. Increasing your odds of meeting attractive women? Absolutely!

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Take dance classes.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Inb4 lazy man excuse plus women & liberals bad.

 

[SW15]

I have experience in taking classes. I have taken a small number of dance classes and a large number of fitness classes at multiple venues.

Fitness classes offer favorable ratios. Most fitness class formats are at least 2/3rd women. Good luck getting that ratio anywhere else. They also solve the earbud problem plaguing gym and outdoor approaching in general. The biggest issue with fitness classes is that women generally aren't very sociable before/after classes. In the thread below, some YouTube content creators ranked fitness classes as an F tier method for meeting women.

It must be mentioned that some fitness class attendee women have boyfriends/husbands. Over the years, I've tended to go to venues for fitness classes where more unmarried women went than married women. I'm sure that a good portion of the unmarried women that go to fitness classes have boyfriends. That would partially explain why many women are not sociable at fitness classes. A male attending these classes will never know this as the women with boyfriends don't typically announce that they have boyfriends. Many will dart out of classes quickly before they can even be approached or start playing with their smartphones right away at the end of classes. I think the majority of the women I described in the previous sentence have boyfriends but there are unattached women who likely do this as well.

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Almost all of the chain fitness studio type concepts like Title Boxing or SoulCycle are $110+ per month. It's sometimes possible to get some discounts as a short term newbie but those aren't long lasting members.

A lot of younger women at boutique fitness studios or Equinox/Lifetime are subsidized by a husband, boyfriend, sugar daddy, parents, or Instagram/OnlyFans simps. If none of those are applicable, they are 30+ careerist women.

The probable outcome is getting in better shape with dedication to going to those classes but the dates are less likely to be arranged.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Fitness classes offer favorable ratios. Most fitness class formats are at least 2/3rd women. Good luck getting that ratio anywhere else. They also solve the earbud problem plaguing gym and outdoor approaching in general. The biggest issue with fitness classes is that women generally aren't very sociable before/after classes. In the thread below, some YouTube content creators ranked fitness classes as an F tier method for meeting women.

agreed

Many will dart out of classes quickly before they can even be approached or start playing with their smartphones right away at the end of classes. I think the majority of the women I described in the previous sentence have boyfriends but there are unattached women who likely do this as well.

yep lol

A lot of younger women at boutique fitness studios or Equinox/Lifetime are subsidized by a husband, boyfriend, sugar daddy, parents, or Instagram/OnlyFans simps. If none of those are applicable, they are 30+ careerist women.

yeppp

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I have taken a small number of dance classes and

and?
Your whole post is about fitness classes with a great male/female ratio, but the women are all unavailable for a variety of reasons. Still better than dance classes?

 

[CornbreadFed]

and?
Your whole post is about fitness classes with a great male/female ratio, but the women are all unavailable for a variety of reasons. Still better than dance classes?

fitness classes are going to be far more appealing than a dance class. I don’t care how many women are in it, I’m not doing it. With this mindset, just go be a nurse, teacher, social worker, and etc.

 

[SW15]

Still better than dance classes?

In my experience, dance classes are loss leaders. The dance classes might be useful for learning a style of dance that might be useful at a certain type of place (mainly for Salsa and Country Western dancing) but the classes themselves won't result in many actual dates.

Even if a guy gets some good skills at Salsa or Country Western dancing, he's still competing with a lot of men at a nightlife venue. He would need looks + dancing skills to get some dates or one night stands from the effort. It is a very labor intensive method that I don't recommend.

If dancing is a central part of a seduction effort, the main barrier to entry is the time that it takes to learn the style of dance well. If a man is trying to learn a dance style as an adult, it's a competition with a lot of other priorities in life. That's a time commitment that competes with work, social time with friends, gym time, and other possible activities that could be done in order to get laid/get a girlfriend.

Often times, a man will need to take dance classes in-person in order to get good enough at dancing to go to the nightlife venues featuring that style of dance. Those classes take time and a man is unlikely to meet any women in those classes. That's why I have called those classes loss leaders. It may take something like 1 - 3 years to get good enough at that style of dance to do well in the nightlife venues using dance as a form of seduction. Most men want a quicker return on effort when they need to get laid.

@Mike32ct has extensive experience with dance classes as a standalone seduction method. He can add to this.

fitness classes are going to be far more appealing than a dance class. I don’t care how many women are in it, I’m not doing it.

Why wouldn't you do any fitness class?

Fitness classes have a lot of different formats. Boxing/kickboxing, interval training (HIIT), indoor cycling, yoga, Pilates, barre/Zumba/dance, are all examples of group fitness classes. Some of those formats I wouldn't do. Every format is majority women.

 

[CornbreadFed]

In my experience, dance classes are loss leaders. The dance classes might be useful for learning a style of dance that might be useful at a certain type of place (mainly for Salsa and Country Western dancing) but the classes themselves won't result in many actual dates.

Even if a guy gets some good skills at Salsa or Country Western dancing, he's still competing with a lot of men at a nightlife venue. He would need looks + dancing skills to get some dates or one night stands from the effort. It is a very labor intensive method that I don't recommend.

If dancing is a central part of a seduction effort, the main barrier to entry is the time that it takes to learn the style of dance well. If a man is trying to learn a dance style as an adult, it's a competition with a lot of other priorities in life. That's a time commitment that competes with work, social time with friends, gym time, and other possible activities that could be done in order to get laid/get a girlfriend.

Often times, a man will need to take dance classes in-person in order to get good enough at dancing to go to the nightlife venues featuring that style of dance. Those classes take time and a man is unlikely to meet any women in those classes. That's why I have called those classes loss leaders. It may take something like 1 - 3 years to get good enough at that style of dance to do well in the nightlife venues using dance as a form of seduction. Most men want a quicker return on effort when they need to get laid.

@Mike32ct has extensive experience with dance classes as a standalone seduction method. He can add to this.



Why wouldn't you do any fitness class?

Fitness classes have a lot of different formats. Boxing/kickboxing, interval training (HIIT), indoor cycling, yoga, Pilates, barre/Zumba/dance, are all examples of group fitness classes. Some of those formats I wouldn't do. Every format is majority women.

I was trying to say that fitness classes are more appealing to men than dance lol. @AmsterdamAssassin triggered me because I remember the old school dudes trying to heavily push “salsa dancing” on us younger guys back in the day lol.

 

[RangerMIke]

Well yeah... get out and do stuff... only way to actually meet people.

The only advice I can add is to sign up for things you are REALLY interested in. If you only join classes to meet and bang chicks it won't work well for you. Women, by and large, are very intuitive... if that is the only reason why you are in some class, most women will sniff this out pretty fast and the impression you leave is not going to be favorable.

Find something you really like doing to the point where you are actually having fun doing what you are doing and you will be a lot more attractive to women.

 

[oc16]

Well yeah... get out and do stuff... only way to actually meet people.

The only advice I can add is to sign up for things you are REALLY interested in. If you only join classes to meet and bang chicks it won't work well for you. Women, by and large, are very intuitive... if that is the only reason why you are in some class, most women will sniff this out pretty fast and the impression you leave is not going to be favorable.

Find something you really like doing to the point where you are actually having fun doing what you are doing and you will be a lot more attractive to women.

Agreed. I am indeed taking classes that interest me (e.g cooking, drawing, hiking). You won't catch me in a ballroom dancing, pottery or yoga class since I have zero interest.

 

[SW15]

Well yeah... get out and do stuff... only way to actually meet people.

In the last 15-20 years, there's been a movement away from doing stuff. It's possible to sit at home on a dating website (pre-swipe app era), a dating swipe app, or a social media platform and arrange dates. The problem is that only a small percentage of men do well with them but a larger percentage of men are attracted to the idea of sitting at home, doing nothing, and arranging dates.

I was trying to say that fitness classes are more appealing to men than dance...I remember the old school dudes trying to heavily push “salsa dancing” on us younger guys back in the day.

Salsa dancing was likely overpromoted as a seduction method in the 2000s-2010s. I took some salsa classes myself and went to salsa dancing nightlife venues. It can work but there are high barriers to entry. The classes themselves will mostly be a waste but you'll need them to dance well in the nightlife venues featuring salsa dancing. For non-Hispanics, not only will you need salsa dance skill but it is also highly recommended to have Spanish fluency. Achieving non-native speaker language fluency and dance skill is a lot in order to get some pussie.

Fitness classes are more appealing as a seduction method due to lower barriers to entry. It's not recommended to go to most fitness class formats with a higher BMI. A decent BMI and some level of fitness is all that is needed as compared to the barriers with dancing in general and salsa dance in particular.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

@AmsterdamAssassin triggered me because I remember the old school dudes trying to heavily push “salsa dancing” on us younger guys back in the day lol.

Actually, I'm pushing tango / milonga dance lessons.

 

[Kotaix]

Go to a rock climbing gym. It's totally appropriate to approach people and ask them for a belay or offer to belay for them.

I made a ton of friends at every gym I ever went to, and the chances of meeting a fat woman are near zero.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I made a ton of friends at every gym I ever went to, and the chances of meeting a fat woman are near zero.

Since you are talking about rock climbing gyms...I sure hope so

 

[jhonny9546]

For example, there are those popular "fitness boxes" in my country, which is someting like a gym, but very small and can hold a maximum of 10 people per session. Usually 100 person in total (during the month).

Many women go there, also because the personal trainer is somewhat attractive, and the split it's like 50/50 male and females.
Who knows if woman to that only for fitness, while their "Mr Right" it's working on it's job, or if there is another "course" behind the curtain... It seems strange.

(This also can happen with other courses not only fitness)

 

[Jumbo Gumbo]

Take dance classes.

I tried several different dance classes and different genres of dance.

dancing is almost like a little war and women are better natural dancers even with no experience they move and dance better and learn quicker. Women have a psychological advantage over most men on the dance floor.

Thing I learned is that the women going to dance classes regardless of skill level, they want to dance with the best dancer guy in the room. Usually the instructor guy. And the instructor guy knows it.

Something else I learned is I don’t like salsa dancing because I do not like the music or the pace of it. Honestly I never liked the music associated with salsa dancing. And I am not Latino. Women who go to salsa class want to dance with the Latino guy who speaks Spanish and was born dancing.

But dancing requires practice. It takes physical moves but there are psychological aspects to dancing. Like I compared it to a war. The arrogant little dance instructor guy will show you up if you are a novice.

 

[Gamisch]

Yeah. Imo you should aim to be the " alpha in the wild" wherever you go. The flyest dude in the room. Every day you are building yourself up anyway. So ,next is to position yourself strategically in the proximity of women.

Be active, and preferably actictivities you adore. Create communities. Way too many modern males only want to do shyte when it directly benefits them and if it doesn't they'll stay home in solitary. I see it all around me. Everyone stays on his own little island wondering why nothing happens. Strength comes in numbers.

This dude I mentioned before for example; isolated himself by withdrawing from everyone, zero social contacts, waits for his pina gf to get her visum so she can be his homie lover friend mother sister dog ect.

 

[jhonny9546]

Btw, we're acting like "expanding" the social circle by doing activities.
But, that can be true to the "overall" number of friends you know.
Instead, may we want to focus also on "create" small social circles, and lead em.

Have you also ever thought about the small "dead" town saying, were some people still live for some reasons (being close to their original friends or family, job, etc).
Usually, you have pratically zero competition to make your own social circles there.
Have you guys ever thought this too?

The thing that may it's hard to do, it's related to age, because you've to take in account to make social circles good for you age.