Indifference versus ****y and Funny
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Indifference is much better, it shows that you are not desperate for any hot babe, makes you seem mysterious and appealing to the girl.
Being ****y and Funny like Negging and other such things reveal to the hot babes that you want to be with them, indifference however makes you appear to be the Prize as you are not showing the hot babe any special attention, which attracts the hottest babes to you, as it makes you look like a guy who doesn't allow a hot babe to fluster or control you, which is a much more powerful tool to be using. :yes:
Being ****y and Funny like Negging and other such things reveal to the hot babes that you want to be with them, indifference however makes you appear to be the Prize as you are not showing the hot babe any special attention, which attracts the hottest babes to you, as it makes you look like a guy who doesn't allow a hot babe to fluster or control you, which is a much more powerful tool to be using. :yes:
The problem is girls will chase you IF you show indefference just to see what the story is. Once they know they can get you, they loose interest.
****y and funny is what girls like. However this puts alot of pressure on you to live up to this and it can get you into the friend-zone fast without you realising it - just keeping you around by showing enough interest because she has a good time with you. Some girls have multiple bfs for this reason (offcourse the guys don't know), some dude for the sex, some for the conversation (he's funny and/or interesting).
What really works is when you are comfortable and genuinely interested in each other. You can easily shut-up and be quite for hours or talk about nothing for hours and it's easy. If it's forced or contrived, you might get a f-close but it won't last.
****y and funny is what girls like. However this puts alot of pressure on you to live up to this and it can get you into the friend-zone fast without you realising it - just keeping you around by showing enough interest because she has a good time with you. Some girls have multiple bfs for this reason (offcourse the guys don't know), some dude for the sex, some for the conversation (he's funny and/or interesting).
What really works is when you are comfortable and genuinely interested in each other. You can easily shut-up and be quite for hours or talk about nothing for hours and it's easy. If it's forced or contrived, you might get a f-close but it won't last.
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Being indifferent to some degree can work. For example, I've seen many cases where one guy is trying to win a girl's approval or throwing some routine at her and I just stand back and maybe make a couple of comments only. Then at some point, she will start trying to make convo with me. Even if she doesn't, I'll look at something on her or her palm and go OMG no way and slightly turn and walk a few steps away. This usually gets her to chase me. In another case, a really *****y girl worked across the hall from my store. All the kiss kissed her bum constantely. I always ignored her more or less and talked to other girls. I always made sure she saw me talking to, walking with, having fun and laughing with other girls. She tried numerous times to tool me, like saying "Im in front of you" when I was in line somewhere even though she was off talking to someone, lots of diff. things but I instead of bowing to her line cutting actually got another girl to let me even higher up in the line. As far as she could tell, all the women in the mall kissed my bum the way the guys kissed hers. Eventually, she started trying to get rapport with me.
Just being indifferent alone can just make you look boring though. I mean assuming you aren't in possession of massively good looks, interesting style, or something that might interest her.. if you just sit like a bump on a log, then she's probably just going to think you're boring or socially unsavy. I create an illusion that I am the most interesting person she could possibly meet. I show her that other girls want me. I create an excuse for her to chase me, like O MY GOD NO WAY and then positioning myself away from her. Women will sometimes chase me now because I dress like a cool guy, but that's usually not enough. Maybe 1 in 10-15 hotties will chase me based on looks/dress, if I want more than that I'll likely have to use some bait.
Just being indifferent alone can just make you look boring though. I mean assuming you aren't in possession of massively good looks, interesting style, or something that might interest her.. if you just sit like a bump on a log, then she's probably just going to think you're boring or socially unsavy. I create an illusion that I am the most interesting person she could possibly meet. I show her that other girls want me. I create an excuse for her to chase me, like O MY GOD NO WAY and then positioning myself away from her. Women will sometimes chase me now because I dress like a cool guy, but that's usually not enough. Maybe 1 in 10-15 hotties will chase me based on looks/dress, if I want more than that I'll likely have to use some bait.
Distant Light
Master Don Juan
Well I looked up indifference and there wasn't a good definition but i think your talking about disinterest. C&F is a better attitude because your playful. I used to have the indifference attitude but you will lose alot of girls if you stick to it. Another reason is because C&F is so wide that it still conveys disinterest depending on what your saying .
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Yotsuya-san
Senior Don Juan
I read being infifferent as not "trying to be cool" in any way, shape or form, Not just in the sense of C&F. Problem with trying to contrive the "don't give a ****" image is that when all is said and done, you are still deliberately contriving an image. This of course, has it's risks. You do risk dissapearing into the background, but as one gets older and wiser, one realizes the value of being inconspicuous. IDistant Light said:
A lot of people believe that eliminating C&F eliminates the potential for humor and being interesting. Not neccesarily. It depends more upon your style. If smart-ass humor (the only humor that works succesfully with C&F) is not your style, then C&F should be avoided. However, more sophisticated dry humor, my type, works well with indifference.
Remulak
Senior Don Juan
Both, don't stick to a structured style because then you'll be predictable. Be ****y and funny sometimes, be a little disinterested sometimes. Don't be the one who's confused, confuse her!
Distant Light
Master Don Juan
C&F is more versatile an can be used stand alone. If you need a good example of C&F at its best, search A2damir on asf. (He is a natural, he uses C&F real well and a whole lot probably the best guy at C&F) Check out some of his lay reports even though he doesn't post no more his Lay reports is crazy with the amount of C&F.