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In choosing whether to buy a house or a condo...

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Did you choose the house over the condo so that you could get away from the woman and do yard work?

Or...

Did you choose the condo so that you could get all that work done cheaper through HOA fees?

Which is worth it more in the trade-off? Looking to buy my first house or condo.
 

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Condo because I have no time to do any yard work or shovel snow. Besides i have no children and Im not married. No need for a house yet.
 

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If you already live in an apartment I don't see the benefit of buying a condo other than being able to say "I have a mortgage." Typical condo living doesn't give you any other lifestyle benefits than apartment living, actually you could have more frustration through the condo's association.

If you don't mind living in a suburb, you could consider buying a townhome. You would have all of the community upkeep benefits of a condo but have more of the privacy benefits of a home. No shared hallways nor common walls in some instances.
 

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Apartment = something that is rented..

Condo = something that is yours..

It is much better to pay off something that is yours, rather than throw money into the air and pay some Pappa or Momma a renting fee. Money wasted.. Because at the end of it, you have nothing.. But if you paying off a loan, at the end of it you have real estate that worth something..



I have neither, but I want a house. Because houses have garages. I'm into working on my cars, building a race car, and stuff like that, I want a house.. Condo or apartment sux in this respect, you can't even change oil in the parking lot.. People park next to you and dent your car.. House is much better!
 

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Does it matter finacially?

I bought me a condo when I was 21, going through school, and couldn't afford a house. Then, nor now, do I have time for up keep so it is very beneficial.

If I have a family I want a house. If not I really want to buy a new luxury condo downtown. I personally like condo living.

Alot of nicer condos come with private yards and garages.

My advice would be to shop around ALOT. If you a find a house you like more than anything else then buy it. If you find a condo you like more than anyting else then buy that.
 

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although most people say buy i disagree


Its really varies on your needs.


First off,

if you move around for a different job every year , its easier to rent and move out. Buying is if your goin to be there for years on end it makes it finanically viable.

Its good to have the get up and easy to go attitude when your not with a family.

the TAX AND INTEREST on MORTGAGE itself on some properties are more than the actual RENT you can pay on a decent apartmant you can get for say 1000.. the tax and interest sometimes are more than 20K a year on some properties. the max rent you ever pay is 12K.

Lastly, the housing market for what some tell me is in a recession phase and getting lower or higher alot of uncertainly to tie up your funds in a house when you might want those funds better used for things you want to spend now instead of being so picky just so you can own a house.
 

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It is much better to pay off something that is yours, rather than throw money into the air and pay some Pappa or Momma a renting fee. Money wasted.. Because at the end of it, you have nothing..


That is conventional wisdom. I always rent, though, despite being able to buy a house and having even a little experience in real estate. 'Throwing money away' is a matter of perspective. I think condo fees, taxes, repairs, and insurance are all throwing money away. Real estate is illiquid, and in some areas of the country the market has started to top out.

fwiw, a couple people I know pay more tax than mortgage; literally taxes each month cost more than the monthly mortgage payment. And thirty years later, when you are finally done with the mortgage, the taxes will be even higher. Property taxes are insane, and I am in no hurry to pay them.

Buying may be better than renting for most people, because most people piss away all of their excess cash. The home, like a whole life insurance policy, is a kind of forced savings. Forcing themselves to save is the only way most people will ever save anything.
 

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Hey Bible, have you read the book "Missed Fortune?" If you haven't take a look at it. I think you'd appreciate the premise.
 

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I read some reviews, I wonder if he just strongarms people into being fiscally conservative and saving? I used to sell financial products and retirement plans, and I had to use pushy sales tactics to get people to put a couple hundred bucks a month into their own 403b or 401k, and this was into products that usually carried the lowest in fees of what theie employer had as approved plans. I had to browbeat people into doing what was best for themselves. Almost every American spends more on cable tv than they put into their own savings.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
I read some reviews, I wonder if he just strongarms people into being fiscally conservative and saving? I used to sell financial products and retirement plans, and I had to use pushy sales tactics to get people to put a couple hundred bucks a month into their own 403b or 401k, and this was into products that usually carried the lowest in fees of what theie employer had as approved plans. I had to browbeat people into doing what was best for themselves. Almost every American spends more on cable tv than they put into their own savings.
If you get a chance pick up a copy and actually look into their ideas to come to your own judgement. I've been following it for a couple of years now and it's been working as stated. On the investment I'm actually making a couple of percentage points over my mortgage rate while writing off the interest and depreciation of my home. Now I'm looking at taking another step forward with the extra money because as of January the only debt I'll have is my mortgage. I'm guessing that I'll probably start looking into commercial real estate.
 

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take the after tax cost of owning your property vs the after tax cost of renting a similar one, and you will be paying about 30%-40% more if you own.

if you take the difference in what you save by renting and put it into the stock market, you will be way better off long term.

there are no tax benefits to owning. yes you can deduct the interest expense on april 15, but the price of real estate has increased long ago to reflect this. in finance terms, the present value of the expected future tax benefits is already capitalized into the prices of homes. in effect you are pre-paying your tax benefit in the form of a higher priced house.

if you don't buy into this, what would happen to home prices if you were disallowed from taking the interest deduction? they would fall. by how much? approximately by the present value of the expected future tax benefit that you no longer have.

in addition, owning is VERY risky, since you are highly leveraged... 5:1 with a 20% down payment, and 10:1 with a 10% down, and fully leveraged with a zero down.

a $500,000 home with 10% down, you have $50,000 in equity. your house falls by 10%, it's worth $450,000. you've lost everything. it falls by another 10%, you are in the hole $45,000.

if you don't think they can fall by this much, think again.

my luxury condo i'm renting for $2600 a month? if i had bought it, i would be paying a total of at least $4000 per month. not to mention that prices took a major sh!t in the last year. two years ago they were going for $600k. now they're going for $400k.

if you own and you need a new roof, it's your bill. water heater, yours. air/heat, your problem. taxes, insurance, upkeep. all yours. earthquake? 20% deductible. fire, flood, etc...you're screwed. unbearable neighbors, just leave.

as with chicks... if you are under 30, be a happy renter.
 

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I can best state my opinion with an old joke:

Q: Which of the following does not belong?

A. herpes
B. AIDS
C. A condo
D. Gonorrhea

A: "D" You can get rid of gonorrhea.

If you want convenience, buy the condo. If you want a good investment that's more liquid, buy the house.

But before you do anything, consider the market in your area. It's a great time to buy in my area, because it's a buyer's market in a big way, rents are competitive with (if not greater than) typical mortgage payments for the same property, and the property values didn't get too inflated, like they did in places like NYC and San Francisco. If you're still in a deflating bubble, and/or it's way less expensive to rent than buy the same property (like in DC, NYC, SF, LA, Boston, etc.), better to rent.
 
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