Imus fired over derogatory comments...

[Call_Me_Daddy]

As for "my character"...I never assumed the Duke boys were guilty like many did. I waited for the facts to be released.

That is the most reasonable line of thinking.

Do I think she should be prosecuted for something I don't think she had any control over? Nope.

Doesn't matter. You lie and you try to ruin innocent people's lives and you go to jail. If she's mentally unstable, she goes into a high security mental institution to "get treated".

Either way, she should be locked up somewhere. She is a danger to herself and to other people.

but I am being 100% objective and looking at ALL of the information just as I have eversince those kids were first accused.

Feeling you are being objective is not the same as actually being objective.

You're close, but you can't put your emotions away about the "poor badly treated" woman/stripper. She's not a victim. She is the agressor in this case.

And yes, so is Nifgong. Stop mentioning him. We already know he's a sack of sh*t worthy of burning at the stake.

One of us is being fair and impartial...and it's not you.

Its not you or me (or anyone else here) either. But I'm closer than the lot of you. I really don't give a **** about the players or the hooker. Not even in theory.

But I do have an opinion based on facts rather than emotion and sympathy or anger in some cases here.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

"This message is hidden because Sean Cameron is on your ignore list."

Geez man. Take a hint already. You're on alot of people's ignore already.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

"This message is hidden because Sean Cameron is on your ignore list."

What?

Say again please.

 

[Wyldfire]

Okay...I just found on google news that she is bipolar...and two symptoms of bipolar disorder are hallucinations and delusions.

 

[Nighthawk]

thank you NIGHTHAWK !!!!!! people think because wealthy people donate to charity they are saints !! the REALITY is wealthy people get tax write off's and endorsements..most of the time they don't give a sh!t about these charities.

Nighthawk you are cool just for being an artist and having dope work !! but you've also got a working brain !! props !

Cheers!

Why did the lion get lost?

 

[Wyldfire]

That is the most reasonable line of thinking.




Doesn't matter. You lie and you try to ruin innocent people's lives and you go to jail. If she's mentally unstable, she goes into a high security mental institution to "get treated".

Either way, she should be locked up somewhere. She is a danger to herself and to other people.



Feeling you are being objective is not the same as actually being objective.

You're close, but you can't put your emotions away about the "poor badly treated" woman/stripper. She's not a victim. She is the agressor in this case.

And yes, so is Nifgong. Stop mentioning him. We already know he's a sack of sh*t worthy of burning at the stake.



Its not you or me (or anyone else here) either. But I'm closer than the lot of you. I really don't give a **** about the players or the hooker. Not even in theory.

But I do have an opinion based on facts rather than emotion and sympathy or anger in some cases here.

I agree with requiring her to enter a facility to get treatment and to mandated to take medication...but it has come out that she is bipolar...and bipolar people sometimes have psychotic hallucinations and delusions. She probably genuinely believed she was raped. My point is that there is strong indication that she does not meet the "intent" requirements for prosecution. You can't have ill intent when you are having a psychotic hallucination that something is happening to you when it's really not happening. Her being a stripper is not relevant in any of this. I don't feel sorry for her at all. I'm simply saying that if a person's behavior is caused by something they can't control you can't prosecute them for something like this because it just makes no sense and is wrong. For all we know she actually thought it happened...and if she was hallucinating then to her, it really did happen, even if only in her mind. Are you following me here? They can't get a conviction because she did not commit a violent crime. If she had of killed one of them, then yeah, they would lock her up in an institution for the criminally insane...but that's not what she did. I'm not saying the effects on those boys are not horrible and unfair...I agree that this is a horrible thing they have been through and I want to see justice served just as much as you do. I just don't think prosecuting the woman IN THIS CASE is justice. Get her treatment and make her stay in it...yep, I'm all for that. No jail, though...that would just mess her up even more than she already is and when she got out (maybe after a year tops) she would be worse off than she went in and we'd see more of this same thing going on a couple of years later.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

She probably genuinely believed she was raped.

I believe she was just lying. She got caught so now she pleads "insanity" in order to avoid a sentence for perjury. Its not new.

And bipolar means mood swings. NOT hallucinations.

My point is that there is strong indication that she does not meet the "intent" requirements for prosecution.

And its a lawyer's job to make everyone think that way too. Too bad its all bullsh*t.

You can't have ill intent when you are having a psychotic hallucination that something is happening to you when it's really not happening.

Of course she didn't have an ill intent. She just got caught so she continued to play the victim and not go to jail. She has not had many intensive psychological and medical tests, therefore the argument that she has some kind of mental disorder is just a guess. You think she does because she claims so. Well she also claimed plenty of other things which were complete LIES.

I'm simply saying that if a person's behavior is caused by something they can't control you can't prosecute them for something like this because it just makes no sense and is wrong.

She's not skitzo. Bipolar disorder is an irregularity. Sometimes called manic depression where the person can have wild mood swings. Sometimes happy, sometimes really, really sad.

For all we know she actually thought it happened...and if she was hallucinating then to her, it really did happen, even if only in her mind.

I see you pull out the hallucination card again. Face it. That's another lie. Bipolar and stress does not cause active hallucinations.

They can't get a conviction because she did not commit a violent crime.

They can't get a conviction because the poor little lady is crying victim of the system/life/the white man again.

I just don't think prosecuting the woman IN THIS CASE is justice.

I do. Prosecute her along with the DA. They both tried to use the system for their gain. The woman to avoid getting sent to prison for a false statement to the police and Nifgong for media coverage.

Get her treatment and make her stay in it...yep, I'm all for that.

Jail, high security mental institution. You say tomatoe, I say tomata.

 

[Wyldfire]

Dude...I've been studying Psychology for over 25 years. Bipolar Disorder is NOT just mood swings. That is only one small part of it. Another name for Bipolar is Manic-Depressive. The person cycles between mania and depression, and sometimes the episodes are psychotic. In fact, this woman had repeatedly gone to therapists for treatment of bipolar AND other disorders and she HAD been taking anti-psychotic medication. I know you want to hate her and think she is some evil woman who intentionally screwed those boys over...but that just doesn't match the facts.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Dude...I've been studying Psychology for over 25 years. Bipolar Disorder is NOT just mood swings. That is only one small part of it. Another name for Bipolar is Manic-Depressive. The person cycles between mania and depression, and sometimes the episodes are psychotic. In fact, this woman had repeatedly gone to therapists for treatment of bipolar AND other disorders and she HAD been taking anti-psychotic medication. I know you want to hate her and think she is some evil woman who intentionally screwed those boys over...but that just doesn't match the facts.

Well, why didn't you post this information BEFORE?

You were just going on about "She's bipolar so she's not guilty of anything."

In any good discussion, its best to support your argument with facts. And usually right after you make the argument, so it is understood to be valid instead of just opinion.

Oh yeah. And post a link to where you came by this info from.


So. About this Manic Depression. I've never heard of these hallucinations you speak of.

 

[Wyldfire]

Well, why didn't you post this information BEFORE?

You were just going on about "She's bipolar so she's not guilty of anything."

In any good discussion, its best to support your argument with facts. And usually right after you make the argument, so it is understood to be valid instead of just opinion.

Oh yeah. And post a link to where you came by this info from.


So. About this Manic Depression. I've never heard of these hallucinations you speak of.

I told you I found the info by searching google news (about the woman)

Bipolar symptoms are listed all over the internet. You can find a ton of info on google. I guess I tend to assume that most people know how serious an illness it is. It can be really bad. A few years ago a woman who had that lived in the same building that I did. During one of her psychotic episodes she suffocated her own baby, killing her. She was in an institution for quite awhile, and only got out because she had been undiagnosed at that time and untreated. She was seriously messed up. I think she may have been schizophrenic as well...which is actually somewhat common in people with bipolar disorder. I ended up having to move because she got obsessed with my newborn daughter. In light of how bad psychotic episodes can be, she could have done something a lot worse to those boys. If she hadn't been in treatment for many years prior to this the outcome could have been far more tragic.

 

[Potbelly]

yea al sharpton and jesse jackson are just racists who also happen to be opportunists.

i mean, look at the duke rape scandal. when it started they JUMPED outta their seats.

now that they find the girl was a lying wh0re, where are they? no where to be found....

case closed.

yeah btw that lying wh0re from the duke scandal was called "a walking sperm bank" on the daily show ahahahahaha. man, she should be sent to prison or some mental institution. you don't go around sueing people for fun and testing your chances at winning because the other side has their lives fvcked up forever. there should be consequences for that.

 

[Wyldfire]

yea al sharpton and jesse jackson are just racists who also happen to be opportunists.

i mean, look at the duke rape scandal. when it started they JUMPED outta their seats.

now that they find the girl was a lying wh0re, where are they? no where to be found....

case closed.

yeah btw that lying wh0re from the duke scandal was called "a walking sperm bank" on the daily show ahahahahaha. man, she should be sent to prison or some mental institution. you don't go around sueing people for fun and testing your chances at winning because the other side has their lives fvcked up forever. there should be consequences for that.

Nifong should go to prison for what he did. Not only did he KNOWINGLY try to send innocent boys to prison and label them as rapists for life, he also used statements made from a psychologically disturbed woman who was taking anti-psychotic medication to do it and now the press are going after her when symptoms of her condition are hallucinations and delusions. People don't take anti-psychotic medication unless they have psychotic episodes.

Nifong used a mentally ill woman as a pawn to try to win an election and didn't give two sh*ts about all the lives he was destroying in the process.

 

[thickandcreamy]

Don Imus was fired because NBC was bleeding corporate sponsors left and right. Ethics, accountability and professionalism had nothing to do with the decision.

Rappers who call women ho's all day long are allowed to do so by their corporate sponsors because they generate tens, or even hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. It's got to be in the billions by now. It's as simple as that. We live in a capitalistic world.

Thick

 

[thickandcreamy]

Prosecutors are paid to prosecute people, not to determine the truth. Their conviction rates are all that matter in assessments of their performance. Therefore, the motivation to 'cut corners' ESPECIALLY in high profile cases, is going to be high. Luckily, the Duke Lacrosse boys had a competent defense. Some people are not so fortunate. That's why death row and American prisons are littered with innocent people. I read somewhere that the United States holds one quarter of all the prisoners in the world. It's all about the money. Prisons generate revenue. Learn this fact, people.

Thick

 

[Wyldfire]

Prisons don't generate revenue...they use a buttload of it, though.

 

[ryannath]

All of these black women on tv that are getting in an uproar over the "nappy headed ho" comment. I have something to say about that. Not all women are hoes, of course. But, if these women were 100% secure with themselves and not being hos, then this wouldn't bother them. It must hit home with them.

For example, when someone says the word "cracker", it doesn't bother me even though I am white, because I know deep down that i am not one. But, obviously there are hoes out there. There are certain women that would fit the "ho" description, no matter their race. So, that's why the word lives, and always will continue.

 

[thickandcreamy]

Sure they do. In the small, rural towns where prisons are being built. They have a massive multiplier effect too.

Prisons don't generate revenue...they use a buttload of it, though.

 

[Bad_Lil'Pixie]

Maybe it's the marketing in my blood speaking but.....I just have to think some of this is for gain. I mean really, I would bet $5000 DJ dollars that 75% of folks hearing this story heard "nappy headed ho" before they even knew who Rutgers was. Come on - fess up, really who even knew them? Anyone here have a Rutger jersey hanging on your wall?

Imus too, his pinnacle days were way back, he's not had any ‘sparks’ for a long time now. He'll be on King, writing his bio and living high pool side, maybe even get offers from sirus, lord know their bombing fast. Sure it looks like he just stumbled into offensive comments but he's not a fool, I just HAVE TO think he knew what he was doing and how many doors this would open for him.

From a marketing angle, I think their both pretty smart. LOL

Personally, Imus/Stern and about a zillion other forms of media just aren’t allowed in my home, I am a firm believer that a constant flow of the darker humor/shock jock/soap opera-esque media will bring bad things my way. Garbage in/garbage out kind of thing....good things in/ good things out is more my style.

Just another .02 cents.

 

[Wyldfire]

Sure they do. In the small, rural towns where prisons are being built. They have a massive multiplier effect too.

The amount of money they generate in a town doesn't not come anywhere near compensating for the cost of government funds to build and operate a prison. All that government money comes from taxes...which people pay. If you had even the slightest inkling of how much it costs to build and maintain a prison it would blow your mind. The cost doesn't stop once the prison is built. Most prisons house hundreds of inmates who need to be fed 3 meals a day. I only buy cheap foods to feed my family...with two teenage boys. It costs over $500 a month to feed a family of 5 (one of which is only 7 and doesn't eat much). Prison staff gets paid good wages, and they have to hire a medical staff, counselors, administrators, etc. They need to provide soap, shampoo, toothpaste, deodorant etc for several hundred people every day. They need to provide medications for inmates, many of which who suffer from mental health issues. They need to maintain the buildings and grounds, heat or cool many buildings, etc. You honestly have no clue how expensive prisons are.

 

[thickandcreamy]

Take a chill pill. I honestly don't understand why everyone on this forum is constantly blowing a gasket.

The amount of money they generate in a town doesn't not come anywhere near compensating for the cost of government funds to build and operate a prison. All that government money comes from taxes...which people pay. If you had even the slightest inkling of how much it costs to build and maintain a prison it would blow your mind. The cost doesn't stop once the prison is built. Most prisons house hundreds of inmates who need to be fed 3 meals a day. I only buy cheap foods to feed my family...with two teenage boys. It costs over $500 a month to feed a family of 5 (one of which is only 7 and doesn't eat much). Prison staff gets paid good wages, and they have to hire a medical staff, counselors, administrators, etc. They need to provide soap, shampoo, toothpaste, deodorant etc for several hundred people every day. They need to provide medications for inmates, many of which who suffer from mental health issues. They need to maintain the buildings and grounds, heat or cool many buildings, etc. You honestly have no clue how expensive prisons are.