immigrants from china, hk more successful than white ppl and canadianzed asian???

[joe45]

my dad who is chinese-says this -----you think its true immigrants from hong kong , china who come to canada are doing a lot better career wise, successful money wise than the canadian white ppl and also the canadian chinese/asian ppl. the ones esp from china work harder, study harder and have goals while the canadian white and canadianzed asian ppl just want to party and have fun and drink and smoke and party. most of the street ppl on the street are white.

i want to hear your opinions on it.

this is coming from my dad who is a chinese guy whos lived in canada since he was 14, but still had judgements on canadian white ppl and even sometimes on canadianzed asian ppl-as how canadian lifestyle is not good and the government somehow spoils ppl-with welfare and taxing the rich and giving the money to the poor. he also thinks theres not need for transit as everyone these days has a car, and no one really takes the skytrain and hows its a waste of government money.

he also said how the guy working at the bank from HK is doing a lot better than the white guy at the front and how us canadianzed asians should have more goals in life. and how a immigrant who cant even speak good english can have a better job than us canadianized asians and even better than white ppl too. he said why "b/c the ppl from hk and china have goals and work hard while the white ppl and canadianzed asian ppl just want to have fun(relax, take life easy, go out and drink, smoke) lol ya and i have a japanese gf before who did smoke and drink like crazy, but he doesnt believe. he thinks they all work hard and smart and can invent things, while american have a lot of ideas but never use them.

i have a diploma in IT, but jobs are all mainly through networking and who you know and not what you have.

 

[backbreaker]

I know it's true. amerians are lazy and have too much sense of entitlment to work their ass off for something worthwhile. that's the only thing wrong with 9/10 guys on this site. they are too lazy to be anything but AFC's

 

[Warrior74]

Immigrants believe. They believe so much they stake everything on it. Their entire future, by leaving home and starting over somewhere new where they feel they have no obstacles in their way that can stop them. How do most natives feel? They feel locked into the system, they feel they can't make it. Or they can only go so far. Its a question of will power and belief, or faith. I am up working right now, because I believe I will climb from being poor to pulling down six figures or more. I'm not going to stop until I get what I want. If other people can do it, so can I. I will find a way!

 

[8YearLurker]

My dad is Indian from India and my mom is a white American.

In one lifetime my dad came to this country with 8 bucks, lived in a car for a few years, cleaned bathrooms to support himself. The man was literally starving.

Then he built a business based on his education and...well it really took off. He bought a house worth millions, supported my entire education, and supported my mom who he wanted to stay home and take care of me and my brothers.

I gotta give the guy credit. Do I have that kind of work ethic? Sadly no. If I work that hard I start getting depressed.

Is it an Asian thing? I doubt it. The man is just driven. He also saves and invests most of the money he makes.

 

[Inquisitus]

Define your definition of success and decide whether your dad is right.

I'm a banana through and through. I don't want to bust my ass for 15 hour days doing manual labour for the same or less money I could get for 8 in a nice office. I have hobbies that I like to do on a regular basis that brings enjoyment to my life.

I appreciate what my parents have done for me when they moved us over here. They really worked hard to provide for us and build their retirement nest egg at the same time. I know i don't want to go through what they've gone through.

Having said that, nowadays, my parents have changed their thinking. They're taking the time to enjoy their life instead of just making money. Frankly, they deserve it.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Think of immigration as a filter that attracts only the best, brightest, and most importantly, the most motivated from any country. Be careful about comparing those that fall in the .01 percent of any country (the few motivated and willing to risk it all to come to America) versus your average American.

That would be the same as comparing the .01 percent of highly motivated, go getting americans to the rest of the lazy slobs, or comparing the immigrants to the lazy slobs back in their own country.

It may appear as thought the difference is due to race, but it is merely those that are self motivated, and those that aren't. And since motivated parents RARELY produce motivated kids, it would seem that the culture or origin has something to do with it . It doesn't.

So yes, a group of first generation immigrants are usually much more motivated than their kids, as a general rule.

The secret is not in your country of origin, but your level of motivation. Immigrants have made a commitment that they can't go back on, so they have no choice but to be motivated.

In T Harv Eckers "millionaire mindset" or whatever its called, he explains only those that make a solid, unbreakable commitment to themselves to get rich (or whatever you define as success) are the ones that get rich. In that regard, immigrants have made it impossible to NOT make that commitment.

So if you want to be as motivated as an FOB immigrant, what commitment could you make that would be IMPOSSIBLE to go back on?

And without opening a whole can of potentially thread shutting worms, immigrants from countries where there is a large overseas or overland journey (e.g. impossible to go back on) are making a much bigger commitment than those sneaking across the border.

Which is why if you go into any inner city public library, you'll find mostly asians, and not hispanics. This has nothing to do with the racial makeup of asians and hispanics, it only reflects the immigration commitment made by they or their first generation parents.

For much more information on this subject, I would recommend this book

Migrations and Cultures, by Thomas Sowell

 

[vitor]

I think these are great stories and valid points, but it all depends on quality of life, and balance.

Would I be happy working 70 hour a week and taking classes at night no. Would I be happy living in a car and cleaning bathrooms no. I think it is amazing and admirable what your two dads did and they are truly living the American Dream.

Americans need to find balance bewteen work, school and play. Plus working out...

 

[8YearLurker]

In T Harv Eckers "millionaire mindset" or whatever its called, he explains only those that make a solid, unbreakable commitment to themselves to get rich (or whatever you define as success) are the ones that get rich. In that regard, immigrants have made it impossible to NOT make that commitment.

And without opening a whole can of potentially thread shutting worms, immigrants from countries where there is a large overseas or overland journey (e.g. impossible to go back on) are making a much bigger commitment than those sneaking across the border.

Very interesting stuff. If you go to India, there's still millions of uneducated, unmotivated people. So it's definitely not race specific. Yeah, they got doctors and businessmen, but they also have criminals, gangs, beggars etc. etc. Just like any other country.

I know it's true. amerians are lazy and have too much sense of entitlment to work their ass off for something worthwhile. that's the only thing wrong with 9/10 guys on this site. they are too lazy to be anything but AFC's

That and no approach

I am up working right now, because I believe I will climb from being poor to pulling down six figures or more. I'm not going to stop until I get what I want. If other people can do it, so can I. I will find a way!

This is awesome

 

[backbreaker]

I think these are great stories and valid points, but it all depends on quality of life, and balance.

Would I be happy working 70 hour a week and taking classes at night no. Would I be happy living in a car and cleaning bathrooms no. I think it is amazing and admirable what your two dads did and they are truly living the American Dream.

Americans need to find balance bewteen work, school and play. Plus working out...

THIS is the avg american's problem. american's want "balance". Americans feel they are entitled to "off days".

which is fine if you have no real ambition.

95% of all businesses fail becuase people do not put forth the effort it takes to make them successful..

thinkk of it as the NBA. John Starks, a player I hated with a passion, once told a story of how he used to work in a grocery store bagging groceries bfore he got a chance to play college ball. He did this for years.

then when he went to college, he went to a community college before catching the coach at oaklahaoma states eye.

then even after THAT, he ddin't get drafted and he had to play in the CBA. when he finally got his chance the knicks did everything they possibly could to cut him, but was not able to.

do you think john starks gave a **** about "balance"? "leasure time"?

john starks said he practiced every free moment he had, becuase he knew that at some point, somewhere out there, there was someone out there trying to be better than he was.

I hate john starks. But he is a perfect exxample of what you can do if you are willing to sacrifice. People with real ambitions more than banging 2-3 women and being a manager at the local best buy, are willing to sacrifice comfort and stabiility now to live a life of luxury and fufillment later.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

claiming that you need "balance" is pretty much agreeing that you can't put in a hundred percent effort, a hundred percent of the time. Yea, everybody wants/needs a rest.

The rabbit wanted balance, but he got his a$$ beat by a slow a$$ turtle who never quit.

You can take a break everyday and play video games, surf the Internet, (or come up with creative excuse why you aren't successful with money or women) or you can take a break in 5 or 10 years when you are a multi-millionaire.

You're choice.

 

[justinsane]

I hate john starks.

why do u hate john starks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzB8Ujf6Mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiEhOc-HE1c

On the topic, I am the type to generalize about how asians are smarter than Americans. If you go to the nearest library what race are the ones usually hitting the books? Aren't there about 300 million chinese and indians that have phd's to 2 million americans with engineering degrees?

 

[backbreaker]

why do u hate john starks?

does this even need to be answred? dude he's john starks.

that's like asking a north carilona fan do they like grant hill

 

[f283000]

Define your definition of success and decide whether your dad is right.

I'm a banana through and through. I don't want to bust my ass for 15 hour days doing manual labour for the same or less money I could get for 8 in a nice office. I have hobbies that I like to do on a regular basis that brings enjoyment to my life.

Good post. I have to admit I used to think the same way but I started becoming more spiritual and I no longer want to work my butt off for money. Happiness for me is no longer the pursuit of money or working for the man my whole life (having a career).

Success depends on finding happiness not material wealth. Who is more successful in life? the ceo making millions of dollars but who's wife is a total b|tch, his daughter is a rebel and a coke head, and his life is just horrible? or the average joe who makes chump change compared to the ceo but has a beautiful wife, nice kids and his house is in order?

We shouldn't measure success on money alone. Movie stars, musicians they are the lowest scum of the earth who many wish they never became famous as it has brought nothing but trouble for them.

I knew a tight old woman who worked her whole life well past the age where she should have been working. She owned several houses which she bought back when houses were cheap (and now these houses cost in the 400ks). Yet she still kept working, never took a vacation, never went to restaurants, never went out, all she did was save money. Like 2 months into her retirement SHE DIED! What good did all that work do to her? what good did being greedy and tight do to her?

The above taught me a real lesson about life. You can work your butt off only to die unexpectadly at any moment. You can die crossing the street, you can die in a car accident, you can have a heart attack, it can happen anytime and anywhere. Which is why to pursue material happiness and the money is useless but you should rather seek spiritual fulfillment and happiness.

 

[WaterTiger]

I knew a tight old woman who worked her whole life well past the age where she should have been working. She owned several houses which she bought back when houses were cheap (and now these houses cost in the 400ks). Yet she still kept working, never took a vacation, never went to restaurants, never went out, all she did was save money. Like 2 months into her retirement SHE DIED! What good did all that work do to her? what good did being greedy and tight do to her?

Didn't do her much good, but I be it made her heirs REALLY happy!

 

[joe45]

Good post. I have to admit I used to think the same way but I started becoming more spiritual and I no longer want to work my butt off for money. Happiness for me is no longer the pursuit of money or working for the man my whole life (having a career).

Success depends on finding happiness not material wealth. Who is more successful in life? the ceo making millions of dollars but who's wife is a total b|tch, his daughter is a rebel and a coke head, and his life is just horrible? or the average joe who makes chump change compared to the ceo but has a beautiful wife, nice kids and his house is in order?

We shouldn't measure success on money alone. Movie stars, musicians they are the lowest scum of the earth who many wish they never became famous as it has brought nothing but trouble for them.

I knew a tight old woman who worked her whole life well past the age where she should have been working. She owned several houses which she bought back when houses were cheap (and now these houses cost in the 400ks). Yet she still kept working, never took a vacation, never went to restaurants, never went out, all she did was save money. Like 2 months into her retirement SHE DIED! What good did all that work do to her? what good did being greedy and tight do to her?

The above taught me a real lesson about life. You can work your butt off only to die unexpectadly at any moment. You can die crossing the street, you can die in a car accident, you can have a heart attack, it can happen anytime and anywhere. Which is why to pursue material happiness and the money is useless but you should rather seek spiritual fulfillment and happiness.

some ppl just dont now how to enjoy and live life. life is short
the old woman sounds like old aisan ppl type of thinking. just making money. and even todays asian ways of thinkin

 

[Jitterbug]

First generation Asian immigrants busted their arses so that their children would be entitled to be lazy & illiterate (see joe45's posts) just like the rest of America (or insert another Western country here).

Which is why if you go into any inner city public library, you'll find mostly asians, and not hispanics. This has nothing to do with the racial makeup of asians and hispanics, it only reflects the immigration commitment made by they or their first generation parents.

I'm not sure about the current immigration law of America, but in Australia in the last two decades, the only Asians they take in are skilled migrants and their family. They're selecting for smart, hard-working, dedicated type of Asians.