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I'm thinking about a workplace fling

Deep Dish

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For the past year I have been working with the government as a public official and it's been the most serious and most difficult position I have ever held. Through much hard work and much struggle, I have nailed down my position and do a prodigious performance. In just two weeks I become a permanent employee and so my job security will be locked in for decades as it's civil service.

Back before I commenced this career position, my attitude was that sexual relations with coworkers was okay—no hard feelings on your wallet if things went sour. I never had any, although I could have. However, even when I was in training for this current position, I knew the office was changing both in demographics and the gravity of repercussions. I was entering a concrete jungle whereby I'm the only young unattached bachelor in an office of mostly UFOs—ugly, fat, and old women. Since no one wants career damage, I knew if I found a lady hot enough that I wanted to "tap", I better be damn sure. Consequently, during this past year I have sworn off ladies. Of course, work becomes life. Swearing off the ladies at work has also meant largely swearing off meeting any ladies, which is fine with me because my largest priority in life is career.

With all that said...

There's a new girl at work who by all apparent facades has me in hot pursuit. She's gorgeous, has a killer ass, and I'm guessing she is in her early thirties. She doesn't wear any rings, which is a godsend. She's thin, too, which would suggest against motherhood. I can tell by her personality that somewhere inside her is definitely freaky, although I don't know what. She makes excuses to talk to me but only as thinly veiled as do men and the look on her face whenever we make contact... priceless.

This thread is not a question of what I should do, because we all know what I'm bent on accomplishing. I'm almost permanent, it's a difficult job with high turnover, I'm in a different unit, she's hot as f*ck... I say bring it on. If something goes awry, all the stress involved with the job would combine with any interpersonal drama and would leave her packing.

The question is the pending fling necessarily dumb? It seems to me I'm in a sweet position. It's not against office policy and contact is minimal. She told me that every day she feels like she might get fired, which is normal thinking for newbies but might also be what's driving her to expedite herself. Usually it's a bad idea to involve pleasure with work but in this case caution is being tossed to the wind.
 

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I've never understood the attraction for potentially putting your job in jeopardy for a woman.
 

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Not sure if you're looking for a thumbs up or down from the forum, or just similar experiences, but I can say I have been burned on this a few times as an employee (although never fired), and seen other people burned much worse (fired after being with the company for years).

While obviously there's the losing your job aspect, really the most risky thing about fukking a chick from work is the sh1t where you eat risk. Now that I'm self-employed I don't have to worry about getting fired, but the consequences from banging a woman from my work sphere are actually worse than that because it could jeopordize critical business relationships I've worked to develop. It can be damn tempting sometimes too - when you get to see who she is day-to-day vs at the bar, it can really amp up the attraction factor. Not to mention if you excel in your career and dominate in the workplace, you have a tendency to come off as more attractive to her as well. As much as sex sells in business, it can be kryptonite around the workplace.

If I were you I would try with the power of a thousand elephants to keep from escalating things with her, as much as your math here suggests you would survive if things went sour. The last time I was in this situation and went for it, she turned into a girlfriend at work - the rare encounters turned into always stopping by my office unannounced and being a clingy pain in the ass that was hard to get rid of. It was mentally draining and sapped my productivity.

But on the other hand... maybe you just need to go out and get drunk with her and rail her silly - just once - to get it out of your system. Whatever you choose, good luck man.
 

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I have gotten good advice here on the same topic. It was a pretty unanimous “Don’t dip you pen in the company inc..”. It’s good generic advice but every case is different.

I did not listen to that advice on going forward with a romance and it has not been a disaster, but, there are problems no one anticipated. Like, the inevitable disagreements with each other that don’t stay out of the office. There is no escaping it if she is there. Work is a good place to escape sometimes. But not if your problem is there.

Then, you may assume she is sane and normal, but what if she’s unexpectedly flakey and emotional? Every word you say, every e-mail you send, and everything you do she can spill to your co-workers. Do something kinky it may not stay private.

So, I’m not telling you what to do, just be cautious and extremely discrete. When you inevitably end it (you certainly know this is just temporary, I hope) make sure she has no ammunition to get you with.

You may think you can pull out of it gently with “no hard feelings”. Guess again, women are notorious for black and white thinking when breaking up. You can go from lovers to worst enemies in 2 days. Trust me on that.

It is a fun ride though, a little dangerous, a little risky. That’s what pulled me in. That’s the answer for Francisco’s question, it’s the risk, the danger.
 

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I'm thinking about a workplace fling

DONT!
 

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I've done it before, but it was when I worked in the hospitality biz and didn't have much to lose if something went wrong. Proceed with caution!
 

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RedPill said:
Now that I'm self-employed I don't have to worry about getting fired, but the consequences from banging a woman from my work sphere are actually worse than that because it could jeopordize critical business relationships I've worked to develop. It can be damn tempting sometimes too - when you get to see who she is day-to-day vs at the bar, it can really amp up the attraction factor. Not to mention if you excel in your career and dominate in the workplace, you have a tendency to come off as more attractive to her as well. As much as sex sells in business, it can be kryptonite around the workplace.
I know exactly where you're coming from.

It sucks cause you get yourself to the point where your status as an entrepreneur makes you a hot commodity in the dating market, but if you take advantage of it you risk facing the repercussions.

Had a party a few weeks ago and one of the models that I work with stopped by. 23 years old, hot, loves to party, waitresses at a strip club part time, and I have to think twice before I do anything :confused:

That night she was asking me if I had a g/f, she even flashed her t!ts for a photo op later in the night. It SUCKS cause I would hit it in a second if she were just some chick.
 

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In two weeks, it will be pretty much legally impossible for me to get fired, although of course there is no law protecting against uncomfortable awkardness. Right now I've been working on a promotion to a fraud unit, which would have me out of the office at basically all times, and if I don't get promoted I will jump agencies. Still, though, of course, neither of those options have happened yet. It's also funny how some of the ladies at work have suggested from time to time that I might "meet 'the one'" at work, when obviously they were thinking they should be "the one". No.
When you inevitably end it (you certainly know this is just temporary, I hope) make sure she has no ammunition to get you with.
I usually only try to pursue women who I think hold the potential for love, but in her case, yeah, I see short-term. Thanks for mentioning about hiding potential backstabbing ammo, because there is one thing which would get me most assuredly fired.

I hit on her on Friday, under the guise of professionality, which was my first escalation of matters, but I will proceed slowly with caution. Well, at least that's what I say now.
 

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Danger and delight grow from the same vine. Caveat emptor.
 

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Deep Dish said:
In two weeks, it will be pretty much legally impossible for me to get fired,
There a few things that can get a Government official fired after the one year probatory period in the Federal Government as I fired one several years ago when I used to work as one. I have seen several fired.

1- Sexual Harrasment might get you fired or might get you dismissed or relocated (I saw a person fired for this about 5 or 6 years ago)
2- Drugs (although, help is typically provided)
3- Stealing/Fraud
4- Security violations
5- Well documented incompetence for long period of times (this one is hard to proof) - I fired one for this


The regulations for Sexual Harrassment and for that matter any kind of discrimination are very tough in the Government. Tougher, even than the private industry.

Tread very carefully. Times have changed as accountability is reaching all levels.

My take is that is NO worthy.
 

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And if things go wrong...it will follow you like the plague. As the other Agency will contact your current agency.

Sexual Harrassment is one of the worst stigmas.

You can be used as an example for future Sexual Harrassment courses too.
 

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Latinoman said:
There a few things that can get a Government official fired after the one year probatory period in the Federal Government as I fired one several years ago when I used to work as one. I have seen several fired.

1- Sexual Harrasment might get you fired or might get you dismissed or relocated (I saw a person fired for this about 5 or 6 years ago)
2- Drugs (although, help is typically provided)
3- Stealing/Fraud
4- Security violations
5- Well documented incompetence for long period of times (this one is hard to proof) - I fired one for this


The regulations for Sexual Harrassment and for that matter any kind of discrimination are very tough in the Government. Tougher, even than the private industry.

Tread very carefully. Times have changed as accountability is reaching all levels.

My take is that is NO worthy.
Don't forget about career conditional status (years 1-3). Full Career status isnt until after completion of year 3 as a federal employee.
 

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Well, it appears I will keep up with good business practices because by all appearances the woman was fired the next day. Damn, this always happens to me. Whenever any woman has shown high interest in me and my interest in her is agreeable, she vanishes from my life the next day, regardless how quickly I try to take action. This time it may have been for the best, but damn.
 

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You might have dodged a bullet.
A work place fling is not always a good thing. Someone at one of my old work place was accused of sexual harrassment. You gotta watch out for these types of things. The way the court system is they tend to believe the women over the guy more often than not.
Consider yourself lucky.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Deep Dish said:
Well, it appears I will keep up with good business practices because by all appearances the woman was fired the next day. Damn, this always happens to me. Whenever any woman has shown high interest in me and my interest in her is agreeable, she vanishes from my life the next day, regardless how quickly I try to take action. This time it may have been for the best, but damn.
Good.

Now, she's going to need a shoulder to cry on and some good career advice. You'll need to go over to her place to help her with her resume.
 
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