I'm starting to believe my ceiling is a 7

[mr. kennedy]

I've been in the dating game for close to 10 years. Dated close to 200 women from real life interaction, dating sites and tinder. The vast majority of the 200 were in the 6-7 range. A handful were higher than that but it never went further than a date or two.

Is there any way I can push the ceiling higher or is the dating market talking loud and clear to me that I am a 7?

 

[narcissist]

I thought you were talking about your house ceiling.

 

[cola]

Is that such a bad thing?
I was talking to my room mate about something similar the other day 9's, 10's and high 8s are so much of a hassle is it even really worth it?
I mean they get so much male attention its hard to get their attention for an extended amount of time. I love 6's and 7's

 

[mr. kennedy]

Is that such a bad thing?
I was talking to my room mate about something similar the other day 9's, 10's and high 8s are so much of a hassle is it even really worth it?
I mean they get so much male attention its hard to get their attention for an extended amount of time. I love 6's and 7's

In order to appreciate a 7, you have to date the 10s and 9s. Maybe they are too much of a hassle but I can't determine that if I can't find it out first hand. I'd live with regret if I didn't at least hook up with a few 9s.

 

[pyros]

if you have met/dated so many women and you've come to conclude that your max is an HB7 ...that's how it is.

Similar thing happens to me. So the only thing you can do about it is to increase your sexual value: get ripped, dress better, improve your game, get social value (somehow), get money...etc. you get the point.

We have to be realistic here, leagues exist. An HB8 or HB9, I mean, a very attractive woman, between 20-35, with an ok job, a nice group of friends etc...she wants the best from men, she thinks she deserves it, and actually she can get it. You know, this type of women date guys who are handsome, tall, fit, have money, maybe social status as well (club owner, amateur singer, wealthy...). The whole package.

I see it every day.
There are exceptions to the rule, but it is how it is.

 

[zinc4]

I see 8s and 9s with ugly dudes all the time...stop trying for excuses.... Its your mindset...

 

[pyros]

"all the time" LMAO...

if you see 'ugly' dudes with hot women it is because these dudes have some value you dont see, like: money, fame, incredible beyond your imagination game, etc.

Examples of what zinc4 sees:

Example1: http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-photo-man-467088.jpeg

Example 2: http://s.likes-media.com/img/b936d3ee4387f88499091ad4e13cbeb6.600x.jpg

Examples of what I mean:

http://static.celebuzz.com/uploads/2014/03/05/Kimye-Wedding-Date-400x470.jpg

 

[Suspens]

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@OP: The "shoot for the stars" mindset does not apply to dating. If the girl is way out of your league then she will have trouble to accept you the way you are, and will feel like a loser who settled down for someone blew herself. It does not matter if you have a medieval mansion, a Lamborghini, or a private underground base on the moon. Looks and body should be on the same scale.

 

[bigneil]

OP, take a few escorts out to dinner. Find the hottest strippers at a given club, they will do it. Pay them a few hundred so they can take a night off work, take them on a normal date, and don't expect anything except a goodnight kiss. You'll find that almost all 9's are very similar in their behavior, and this will desensitize you to beautiful women. I'd much rather spend my money that way versus having 45 minutes to feel their boobs in VIP with a bouncer checking in every 6 minutes. Sometimes these girls will really be attracted to you and will get naked without your asking. Often they'll want to hang out for free (they'll always be about money though, remember they are broke). How can you tell when they like you in real life then? When they start calling you versus texting, or if they text you first thing every morning. or when they text very romantic words. You really can't buy romance. You might think the romance is fake (and it is in a way) but trust me it will evaporate one day and you'll realize you actually had something so appreciate what you find.

You should also improve yourself physically. Start fasting and go organic. Our rating is said to be the average rating of the girls we date. For me it's the 7-9 range, averaging about 8 (it increased after 15+ years of eating all natural). The vast majority of girls who are 8 or better turn out to be no good. Lesbians, drug addicts, single moms, liars, cheats, and secretly hookers in many cases.

Remember: there is a diminishing return on beauty for a man. If a woman gets twice as hot, she can go places in life. If a man gets twice as hot, he's better off having gotten twice as rich. It seems that a man gets very little credit for being handsome. It's more about men who are punished for not being handsome. Also, when you are handsome women don't trust you as much, they don't really want a guy who has more options than they do.

 

[zinc4]

Out of your league is only what you believe. Don't impose your limited bkieves upon others. Things with women go beyond body abd looks abd how you see yourself is how others also view you. Confidence and belief are powerful.

 

[SmooveMooves]

Increase your market value. There's tons of information here and in other manosphere areas that will help you do just that. If you aren't on the same plain as the HB8-9s you want, then that can be changed.

To get the 9 you must be the 9. In the words of Meek Mill: It's levels to this shít.

 

[Tenacity]

I've been in the dating game for close to 10 years. Dated close to 200 women from real life interaction, dating sites and tinder. The vast majority of the 200 were in the 6-7 range. A handful were higher than that but it never went further than a date or two.

Is there any way I can push the ceiling higher or is the dating market talking loud and clear to me that I am a 7?

What is a 6 - 7 to you? Can you give me a picture or name a somewhat famous person that's a 6 - 7 to you?

It's usually in the eyes of the beholder, for example, a 10 to me is Megan Good or Hoopz.

http://meaganmgood.com/
https://instagram.com/therealhoopz/

Hoopz is personally the most ATTRACTIVE woman I have ever seen in my life.

To get a solid 10 (no matter how you define it) you are usually going to have to bring something significant to the table such as being very popular or very rich or very attractive yourself.

I'm a 5 on a bad day, a 6 on a normal day, and a 7 on my best day. So the girls that I pull range from 4 - 6 on average, with occasional 7s and 8s. I think in my lifetime I have only pulled one 10 (she was a 10 at the time, I don't know if she's STILL a 10 lol). I'm cool with this range. If I want a 10 so bad, I can just get an escort that's a 10 and buy her!

 

[mr. kennedy]

For those saying get ripped, I am already ripped and have been for a decade. I lift 3-4 times a week, I am athletic and I swim 35 laps every week. I am in good shape. I am 6 feet tall, have blue eyes and dress well. I get complimented on my blue eyes at least once a week since I was born, but the women doing it are 6s or lower, elderly women or married women. I've never had a 9 tell me you have such amazing eyes.

As for what I find a 9, I would say Sofia Vergara, Kate Upton, Katy Perry. In the everyday world, I would put the most attractive bartenders and waitresses on that list.

I just have a tough time penetrating (pun intended) that segment of the female population.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

See bold:

"I've never had a 9 tell me you have such amazing eyes.

That's because she's a 9/10 chick. Those girls don't just go dishing out compliments like they're free of charge. Plus a 9/10 on the aesthetic is either far more concerned with her own looks and meeting that, or pretty fed up with people complimenting her looks alone that she is actually more concerned with what is beneath the surface - more hot women fit the latter category than you think.

If you are intimidated by her looks, she's already on the pedestal. Treat a 9 like you would a 7 and you'll start getting somewhere. It's much more to do with your perception than theirs.

As for what I find a 9, I would say Sofia Vergara, Kate Upton, Katy Perry.

For me, all those women are 7 or 8 at best. Who knows, yo may well have been with a 10 in my book.

I just have a tough time penetrating (pun intended) that segment of the female population.

And so ye believe, ye shall become."

Bear in mind the objectivity of the scale. If you're talking 8-10 range, well, that represents 20% of the female population. You'll have to split that to just 10% because at least half of them simply won't find you attractive, regardless of what you look like. Take another 9% off that who you'll never actually meet.

Divide the remaining 1% in half again, owing to them being married. Divide that in half again owing to chance and you're left with about .25 percent possibility [outside of many more extraneous factors] of getting with a chick you consider 8-10 on the VAS.

I've probably been with five or six dozen women. I'd probably put 3 or 4 of them in the 8-10 category. I'm doing OK.

 

[Tenacity]

For those saying get ripped, I am already ripped and have been for a decade. I lift 3-4 times a week, I am athletic and I swim 35 laps every week. I am in good shape. I am 6 feet tall, have blue eyes and dress well. I get complimented on my blue eyes at least once a week since I was born, but the women doing it are 6s or lower, elderly women or married women. I've never had a 9 tell me you have such amazing eyes.

As for what I find a 9, I would say Sofia Vergara, Kate Upton, Katy Perry. In the everyday world, I would put the most attractive bartenders and waitresses on that list.

I just have a tough time penetrating (pun intended) that segment of the female population.

Well, I'm not the "master of game" by any means, but from my experience trying to date anyone over an 7 is going to be very difficult NOT just in the pick-up, but also in managing/sustaining the relationship.

8s - 10s are just told all day long how their shyt doesn't stink, and with today's climate it's almost like they are always on the lookout for the next big thing because they know they can attract him.

Me personally, my bread and butter are 5s - 7s, or a 6 on average. Those chicks are the best to date, be in a relationship with, etc. I mean don't get me wrong, they are still American Women and give you bullshyt throughout the engagement but I'm saying they are the bread and butter for me in terms of "somewhat" quality.

When I want to bang an 8, 9 or 10, I usually just pay an escort because even when I land one through regular approaching, they are just difficult to manage.

 

[mr. kennedy]

Quick question.

Is a 9 easier to get through online dating or through real life interactions? Or is it just as hard because you are competing with 95% of the men out there?

 

[Huffman]

I'll say online it's even harder to land quality, simply because you can't play your awesome personality right from the start.

Usually hot girls on the internet will immediately ignore your first message for an arbitrary reason, either too crazy or too normal or too whatever. In real life I never get turned down at the first sentence, and it's easier to dominate the interaction.

If I can pull 6-7 in real life, online it's usually below that... let's be honest I've never managed anything other than one night stands online, just because I'm not getting into a relationship with a 5.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Finding a 9 online is like finding a needle in 10 haystacks. If and when she is found, she'll likely be completely inaccessible (I had one from rural CROATIA), she'll be a catfish, she'll be emotionally deranged, she'll never answer messages except to Saudi Princes or Russian oligarchs (much like the most of the women online, for that matter), or some combination of all of the above.

High calibre chicks simply don't need to date online.

 

[zinc4]

This thread lost credibility when someone said Hoopz is a 9.....or perhaps a 9 is only what each individual places in his mind....to me Hoopz is a 6 at best...all big boned looking.

 

[captain55]

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@OP: The "shoot for the stars" mindset does not apply to dating. If the girl is way out of your league then she will have trouble to accept you the way you are, and will feel like a loser who settled down for someone blew herself. It does not matter if you have a medieval mansion, a Lamborghini, or a private underground base on the moon. Looks and body should be on the same scale.

Ignore this idiot