I'm Free (Almost).

[Microphone Fiend]

Microphone, can you explain how only caring about my own mindset has Everything to do with relationships?

If you cannot relate to other people's mindsets or at least act like you care about their mindset and opinions, you will never develop healthy relationships. If you cannot understand why a person likes it when you do ____ and dislikes it when you do ------ then you will continually do ------ and the relationship you have with the person will be strained.

 

[LostAndConfused]

If you cannot relate to other people's mindsets or at least act like you care about their mindset and opinions, you will never develop healthy relationships. If you cannot understand why a person likes it when you do ____ and dislikes it when you do ------ then you will continually do ------ and the relationship you have with the person will be strained.

I see. Well, doing that in the past hasn't worked for me.

 

[reset]

And 17 isn't young. I'll be 18 soon.

lol. You're still a kid. In fact I think you're acting TOO grown up for your age. You have your entire life ahead of you. Don't be in such a hurry to be so serious.

 

[Stéphane]

This thread is funny, because I use to feel this way like 2 years ago, and look at me now. I hook up with the hottest girls, not constantly, but atleast I get lucky once in a while. I'm at the point where i'm better then the average guy, but I want to reach a point in my game where I hardly get rejected.

The game is fun, play it, learn it, and master it. Are you the type of guy that gets depressed when he loses a video game, well stop it. The game is about self improvement, in becoming the best.

Obstacles, are only there to test you, there not there to stop you. Only the persistent person can surpass them.

I love the game, just learn to love it, and you'll get better at it.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

I see. Well, doing that in the past hasn't worked for me.

Understanding people doesnt work for you because you have a mindset focused on yourself. It's circular logic. You value your own mindset too much because you don't like others. And you don't like others because you value your own too much...

 

[Mad Manic]

My defintion of "real men" does not EXCLUDE people of different Races, or "Social Classes' , or Castes or whatever..

I am not sure where you're getting this from.

In other words, a white man, or black man, or asian man, or whatever man or poor man or rich man or short man or tall man or or whatever..

ALL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE REAL MEN.

Is this clearer?

Now, if YOU want to self impose restrictions on yourself and other, by all means go ahead....but don't put words in my mouth and think that I have to accept your defitniton for myself.

You said real men get girls. But my issue is, a man can still be a real man and not get girls in many situations based on factors like class and race that stop girls dating him. An indian man has a very low chance of scoring in a white middle class area for example.

MM

 

[reset]

They don't make a difference. Real men are magnets. Not victims. Magnets attract things and victims repel things.

 

[Stéphane]

WTF, isn't been black like the thing now. I see a bunch of girls trying to impress black guys..

 

[Interceptor]

OK, when say that we, as Men, do not NEED Validation FROM WOMEN........


THIS DOES NOT MEAN WE DON'T NEED WOMEN AND FEMALE COMPANIONSHIP IN OUR LIFE.


You need air to breathe. Shelter. Food. Water. Clothes. Companionship.

But VALIDATION is what I said we DON"T NEED from Women.

Women are not there to GIVE us VALIDATION.

How can a MAN, truly MASCULINE.NOT be in touch and IN TUNE With Women??
And NOT be SOCIAL?
(hetero Sexual women are attracted to Masculine men. Is this complicated to understadn. Also, have youguys gotten past that it is NOW Common knowledged that you may attract a lot of women, but for some you may never GET THEIR INTEREST)


(what are you guys doing, saying you want to be ASEXUAL???! What are you guys doing??! Have you even read what you arewriting?)

What is happening is that a Man is only PARTLY masculine WHEN he cannot ATTRACT Women.
It is UN NATURAL. It is being ANTI SOCIAL. And it means that Man (however masculine) CANNOT ATTRACT a woman.

He is only Partially SELF REALIZED.

(Self Realization, folks. That IS a CLUE here.)

Please stop gving your SELF Excuses to NOT learn and APPLY Attraction/Seduction SKILLS in your LIFE.

Stop making EXCUSES and RESIGN your SELF to FAILURE.







Real Men have Women in their Lives because it is entirely NATURAL to have female companionship.

What some of YOU guys seem to be saying is that it is COOL to be "ANTI SOCIAL".

So since you cannot get Women in your life you resign yourself to a life of celibacy.


SInce you DON'T Understand ATTRACTION and SEDUCTION, and CANNOT put it into PRACTICE, You SIMPLY GIVE UP on it ALTOGETHER.

WTF?


A REAL MAN that is NOT. (in Yoda speak)


I am NOT contradicting myself when I say we do not NEED their VALIDATION.[

But we do NEED their Companionship.

(Gasp! Say it aint so!!)



But ONLY REAL MEN with OPEN MINDS who UNDERSTAND POLARITY and Male/Female interaction WILL Understand the DEEP NATURE of what I am talking about.

It is beyond what many of you kids even begin to comprehend.

And that is OK.


(Thatis why I am here. You may hate me. But like a Drill Sargeant, you will appreciate me and respect me nonetheless.
Because HE, like I, will turn you into Men.)

(so you can go back and cry to your momma, but I will still turn you into a Man, kids)



It is is imply EASIER and MORE HEALTHY to ACCEPT Nature.

ACCEPT that it is within your right to happiness and a good life to HAVE WOMEN in your LIFE,

and......... (here's the obvious clue you guys missed)

STILL NOT BE "NEEDY" ABOUT IT.

It is simply healthier to accept Women in your life.
It is hard to understand , I know.



Because we're all here to improve and learn, and learn about ourselves and life.


But kids today look for INSTANT GRATIFICATION.

INSTANT!

"I want this b*tch now! And I don't want to put an ounce of effort into 'getting' her!!!1 I want SEX NOW!!!!!!!! Gimme Gimme Gimme!! I don't want to 'pay my dues"! I don't want to 'undestand" this sh*t! Just gimme sex, you dirty b*tches! Stop making me Pay for it! Why isn't she giving me attention! Dammit! Gimme your attention , b*tch!"

Right?

..mkay.



OK, a bit over dramatic. But your rage, dissatisfaction, and resentment is evident. We al can see how unsatisfied you really are, gentlemen.
And the bad thing is, women do too.

Like I always say, If you are too NEEDY, Women are going to sense it, and run away from you.

(ALL YOUR "GAME" Is totally WORTHLESS if you lack Masculinity at your CORE and PRESENT it to the WORLD. What dio we want to Present to the World? your MASCULINITY. Your poise, Masculine grace, confidence, UNreactive, strong, GROUNDED, and FULLY PRESENT and SELF AWARE and AWAKE, focused on YOUR Mission, making things happen, possessing Leadership traits, in touch with your Desires, and your Sexuality, etc.)

(Outer Game is not strong enough to give you Long Lasting RESULTS. Deep, long lasting GRATIFICATION.)

But when you have your proverbial "Sh*t together", women will appear.
You just have know how to capitalize on the situation.

(tha tis called UNDERSTANDING how ATTRACTION WORKS for Women. AND HOW TO SEDUCE them in a natural manner that is congruent TO YOU.)

And that begins with you understanding your Masculinity, and understanding your true Self WORTH!

A lot of you guys are too young and inexperienced.
So you try to build a fake Confidence, and use your Ego to interact with the world , INSTEAD of BUILDING your SELF ESTEEM by achieving YOUR GOALS in life and ACHIEVING SUCCESS.

So you look at the workld as unffair and cruel. But because you haven't EARNED the position that you so crave.

(are you worth those things? yes, if you do no harm, absolutely. It is within your right ot live happily and healthy, with love and companionship. But you do have to do some WORK to 'earnit though.)

And I'm here to tell you that the proverbial 'silver platter' is OUT THERE waiting for you.

BUT YOU are the ones who have to be ready!

The proverbial "silver platter' WILL NOT 'hand itself to you!"





I am INTENTIONALLY NOT Explaining things though.

It is up to those who WANT to truly learn and understand Polarity, and other 'things' which are never really talked about here.

And from the looks of some guys, with good reason.



Questions?

 

[Interceptor]

Remember what Rollo Tomassi often writes, to paraphrase:

Do not make a FAILING into a VIRTUE.

Do not 'rationalize' your FAILURES.

 

[LostAndConfused]

this is the most fvcking pathetic thread ever.

You couldn't live a month in my shoes, troll. You would have ended your life already. I'm already ahead of most people with bipolar, including some of my family.

Picture being like Tom Hank in "Castaway" but even worse, because every person who crosses your path is like a ghost, mocking you for the potential companionship that you could ultimately have, but then in a short time, ruin.

 

[Stéphane]

Seriously depression is the most useless emotion, it's not productive, and it's an attention seeker. People with depression usualy seek attention, I can say so because I use to be depressed. Someone who tells his friend that he going to kill himself, he doing it for attention.

 

[LostAndConfused]

i dont care. the reason i'm not in your shoes is because i'm not a pathetic little b1tch who can't man up and change himself. go ahead and throw in the towel, if you come to the people here with questions and things to work on they will try to help you but when you turn it into a pity party just realize that noone will give a fvck.

That's what the initial point of the thread was, ässhole. It was manning up, and getting rid of self-validation through women, but then a whole bunch of idealists pop up not wanting to be proven wrong.

And Stephané, there is a difference between attention-seekers who talk about committing suicide and people who really do attempt to commit suicide. I didn't tell anyone when I tried it last year and got stopped. Why? Because I knew no one gave a shït. I just needed an out. Psychiatrist later told me that people who actually try to go through with it (not the attention seekers who you talk about) have a greater amount of pain than resources to cope with it. But I'm getting a little off-topic. Thankfully I'm past that stage now.

Here, want a solution to this "pathetic thread"? Don't click on it, díckweed, but your blatant ego and injured self-pride will inevitably bring you back here to post up a witty response, amirite? That ego and pride makes you the biggest milktoast of this whole thread. Milktoast = beyond AFC. Congratulations on not seeing it, moron.

 

[Stéphane]

Please, tell me you didn't write this thread for attention.

 

[Interceptor]

but then a whole bunch of idealists pop up not wanting to be proven wrong

.


I posted to try to help you, Lost.

If you don't want my help, that's fine.
If you want to Justify and Canonize yourself the Saint of MARTYRS and Pain, go ahead.

It's wrong though. And that's not 'idealistic' to believe so.

But again, if you think I'm just here posting away to "not be proven wrong" or some ridiculous reason you can come up with, you are beyond any help here.

and krazyboy, while a little harsh, does have a point.

A LOT of guys post here just for Pity and Attention.

And a LOT of guys post to SPREAD their Negative and Toxic beliefs on others, trying to justify their Lack of anything Positive in themselves and their Life.
ie "My life sucks, so I'm going to bring down everyone else too. That way I'l feel better about myself sucking so bad."


IN other words, by trying to get feeble minded forum members to agree with him, he only REINFORCES his own beliefs of impotence and helplessness, and the FUTILITY of everything.

This forum can be real real bad for some guys here.

And yeah, I have to grudgingly admit and agree , the moderation in here is seemingly lacknig.

 

[LostAndConfused]

I posted to try to help you, Lost.

If you don't want my help, that's fine.

But again, if you think I'm just here posting away to "not be proven wrong" or some ridiculous reason you can come up with, you are beyond any help here.

and krazyboy, while a little harsh, does have a point.

A LOT of guys post here just for Pity and Attention.

And a LOT of guys post to SPREAD their Negative and Toxic beliefs on others, trying to justify their Lack of anything Positive in themselves and their Life.
ie "My life sucks, so I'm going to bring down everyone else too. That way I'l feel better about myself sucking so bad."


IN other words, by trying to get feeble minded forum members to agree with him, he only REINFORCES his own beliefs of impotence and helplessness, and the FUTILITY of everything.

This forum can be real real bad for some guys here.

And yeah, I have to grudgingly admit and agree , the moderation in here is seemingly lacknig.

Please, tell me you didn't write this thread for attention.

If you re-read my first post, I tried to talk about self-growth. Growing away from being the type of person who uses his girlfriend as a trophy, just to get validated in his own mind.

I wasn't trying to diss you or anything, I know and see the difference between validation and companionship. And of course, I respect you more than most others on this forum. I just sit on a different side of the fence, ya know? Check out "The View" by Modest Mouse.

:box: I get in fights all the time. Its anti-social behavior, I know. But I can't help it. The rep at my school has gotten so bad that schools *nearby* have heard about it too, or when I talk to a girl from another school, she often hears about me from her friends who go to my school, and then abruptly stops talking to me. But I'm growing beyond that. I simply do not care anymore. Why whine about it when no one can relate to you and no one quite frankly cares? I've gotta pull strength from within. THATS what this thread was about, or at least was intended to be about until trolls like krazyboy99 decided to show up and stir some beef.

To quote eminem: "In the land of the killers, a sinner's mind is a sanctum
Only you're unholy, only have one homey
Only this gun, lonely, cuz don't anyone know me"

Its my own way of growing. Do I really have to have a girl to be successful? I don't think so.

Worrying about girls will only hold me back from other things I want to achieve in life. Thats why I posted this thread.

Please, tell me you didn't write this thread for attention.

You don't give me much credit, do you? If I wanted attention I'd go about it a much better way, and it wouldn't involve a forum on seduction.

 

[Interceptor]

If you re-read my first post, I tried to talk about self-growth. Growing away from being the type of person who uses his girlfriend as a trophy, just to get validated in his own mind.

I wasn't trying to diss you or anything, I know and see the difference between validation and companionship. And of course, I respect you more than most others on this forum. I just sit on a different side of the fence, ya know? Check out "The View" by Modest Mouse.

:box: I get in fights all the time. Its anti-social behavior, I know. But I can't help it. The rep at my school has gotten so bad that schools *nearby* have heard about it too, or when I talk to a girl from another school, she often hears about me from her friends who go to my school, and then abruptly stops talking to me. But I'm growing beyond that. I simply do not care anymore. Why whine about it when no one can relate to you and no one quite frankly cares? I've gotta pull strength from within. THATS what this thread was about, or at least was intended to be about until trolls like krazyboy99 decided to show up and stir some beef.

To quote eminem: "In the land of the killers, a sinner's mind is a sanctum
Only you're unholy, only have one homey
Only this gun, lonely, cuz don't anyone know me"

Its my own way of growing. Do I really have to have a girl to be successful? I don't think so.

Worrying about girls will only hold me back from other things I want to achieve in life. Thats why I posted this thread.



You don't give me much credit, do you? If I wanted attention I'd go about it a much better way, and it wouldn't involve a forum on seduction.

OK,. understood.

No, Lost, you don't NEED a woman to be 'successful".

But remember, "Successful' is a subjective and relative term.

And yes, you will need a Woman eventually to FULLY Self Realize.

But that's later.
For now, if I were you, I would SERIOUSLY start training Martial Arts.

I woull RUN, not walk to a good MA school nearby and use all that energy for positive change.


I am 100 % dealdy serious.

You need to transmute that energy into something productive, and I say Martial Arts for you from now on.

 

[LostAndConfused]

Haha funny you say that man, I've been taking martial arts for 10 years, going on eleven now. I've recently been expanding on styles, I started taking brazilian jiu-jitzu, and kung fu (wing chun).

Been taking taekwondo and muay thai. It all started with tae kwon do. I do some western boxing too at the gym from time to time, I just ask someone there if they wanna box a few rounds.

MA is sorta a high for me, like weed...maybe its the endorphins.

Its been one of my goals to do something athletic *at least* five days a week.

 

[Interceptor]

Dude, I train or trained those things too.
Curreltly training JKD, Kali, Silat, Wing Chun, Muay Thai, Shoot, mixed Grappling.

Close to 15 years, man.

I find it hard that anyone wuith that much training time has a violence problem.
Something is not right.

Some of the deeper teachings are not getting through.

 

[LostAndConfused]

Yeah I have bipolar mate.



Got diagnosed recently, in a week I'm gonna go to psychiatrist again. My cousin is in jail for the same problem.