I'm done

[Borknagar]

With women, not the typical whine post but I'm going to point out some facts and situations.

I started getting into trying to meet more women about a year ago after a short relationship with a ****ty break up, she was hot, but, a typical female in that she changes feelings all of a sudden for no reason, or a ****ty one.

So I met someone who told me about the pick up scene and what not so I figured, what the hell right?

So I started going out to random busy bars/clubs for the last year, sure I made out with a lot of women, met tons, got numbers, several lays, but never a 10, usually between 4-6s just cause I was horny.

I have on a rare occasion got dates with probably about 10 or more girls that would be attractive by most guys standards. And they all ended up the same. Afer the date, no matter how good it went, maybe I'll get a second but they all end upassive, flaky, full of excuses, unavailable.

I have done tips I've seen here and elsewhere, and they DO NOT WORK! If you show less interest, you won't hear from them. Nuff said, if you're funny and ****y, they're entertained for the time being, but still flaky later.

Waiting a few days, doesn't change results. Not pressuring, doesn't change results. Being random, doesn't change results.

Body rocking, kino, etc etc, everything every so called "pua" does, no difference. Women always have excuses, be it "I'm not looking for a bf right now" or whatever.

Either I have had some dates that seemed to even go ok by them still faking interest after a bit, only for them to be shady after the second.

Is there really any truth to all this?

I also notice most people on here, even guys who fail at women like myself, STILL won't ever admit, that maybe JUST MAYBE women in general are ****ed up?

I've done all the crap I've read on various dating sites, pua forums, it hasn't made a difference. All my pua friends seem to think I do well in the field by getting interest and probably more makeouts than many of my friends, but it leads to nothing. I can give plenty of examples.

 

[rum]

nah you're not done...you just need some time to recharge your batteries

and if it makes you feel any better, you haven't failed you made out with a ton of girls, ****ed a few, built up your confidence.

You're actually making some decent progress.

what exactly are you looking for? Somebody to settle down with? An LTR with potential for marriage?

 

[Zunder]

Yes well I agree that women are fvcked up - the modern western woman bears little resemblance to those of her kind that inhabitated the earth not more than three decades ago.

But hear this - without a woman you get to do what you want when you want. And hear this, when you start doing what YOU want when YOU want - then before you know, there will be women that will want to follow.

I am only starting to see this now and I am in my 40's. I've made all the fvcks up possible.

But it really is true - when you finally stop giving a fvck about women, is when you have the most success with them.

(Plus keep in shape, get a good hair cut (or shve your head like me) and all the periphy stuff which goes without saying).

 

[jafyk]

Borknagar, interesting name. What's the story with the name?

Anyway, I feel exactly how you do right now. Although this woman has agreed to go out with me tomorrow. I'm wondering what's the point why am I even bothering? Then I always think about what I read from the Book of Pook in the Dj Bible and I remember it's not about the women anymore. This is what keeps me going at times. Sure there will be times when you feel like you do now. The best I can say is take a break if you must, pursue your dreams, still date (I view it as exercise for when the right sets for women come along) by then you will be at a place where you can pick and choose.

 

[Solomon]

I know Broknagar in person and have hit the field with him, listen bro I respect you but Ill be honest with you buddy. The last time we hit the field you got a tad too drunk mate. And it showed and you got a bit emotional, and quite frankly were acting retarded.

The thing is you are a great guy, hard worker, good looking, motivated what women wouldn't want that? but I honestly believe you gottta work on your inner game. The fact is you don't think your good looking cause you use to be fat is whats holding you back mentally, besides too much boozing which we know that booze is anti-depressant

I know right now for me the best thing I can, is hitting the gym. Its frustrating knowing my game is as good as most guys but I'm not getting the results that I got a couple years ago due to my weight gain. At times sure but you of all people know I'm still out at the field, still doing my thing whether fat or not, whether I pull or not(and we both know you pull more then me).

Like I said I'm not trying to put you on blast, I think a break would be healthy for you from the scene and dating. The techniques are played out that's why you never see me do them. I think focusing on you is a great thing I know your frustrated with lots of the shyt and so am I but heck I love poon to much to quit fully lol

Just my thoughts bud, holla @ me

 

[Borknagar]

I dunno man. I should have more dating success than this, I get dates, sometimes, but they never lead anywhere after. A chick just said I'm "not her type"

I think all the crap I went through in the last year meeting tons of women, and still, always alone, shows me something.

Truth is, it's hopeless for me man, all the women Ive met in the last year and being rejected constantly in the long run made me open up my eyes and realize I'm ugly, or women are *****es, but I think it's a little of both.

 

[jafyk]

OOps wrong post. Hope you didn't read what I wrote earlier. If you did. I apologize.

 

[neghitzbrah]

Hey dude. Let me tell you a story. There was once this guy who dated this hot girl. Amazing. She even stayed with him while he was 60 pounds overweight. But it didn't really work out in his favor, though. He was AFC. Didn't really do anything on his own. Depended on his relationship. She had him wrapped around her fingers.

Then it happened. He started to lose weight. He started to become independent. He started to have a life. He stopped apologizing for everything. He started doing things without his girl. Then they started fighting more. Over stupid ****. Then he started looking at other girls. Got really fit. Got lots of compliments and confidence. She started to get jealous and resentful. She flirted with other guys. He got upset, but he kept going. He kept striving.

He even quit his job (which he hated) and started in a new career for which he loved. She didn't support him. In fact, she thought he was a quitter. He strived, and when he succeeded, she only tried to bring him down. In his highest points, she would get upset with him in her immense amount of selfishness. He resented her. He became less attracted to her.

He ended it. He continued to strive. Had lots of luck in the field. Still hooked up with her but dropped her the very next day. He didn't give a ****. He became a ****. Had lots of luck with women. Then one day, it all stopped. He stopped going to the gym. He stopped dieting. He drank more. His game reduced to nothing. He hasn't had sex in a couple of months. Then he realized something.

He stopped focusing on himself for happiness. He neglected his inner game! He turned his life around. Continued dieting. Spent less money on booze. Went out to have fun instead of trying to get with women. Now his game is on a new high. He has new jobs lined up for more money. He sweeps girls off their feet with his charm now. He tries to understand women instead of just trying to get with them. He doesn't have expectations with every girl he meets. Unfortunately, his AA isn't on par, but he is working on it because he feels more confident and successful. He left his ex hanging, stopped answering texts. He won't be going in reverse. He won't be going back. He is a new man in the making.

You probably already figured it out. That man is me. I focused on myself for the past few weeks and have had a blast. Sure I feel down at times, but I pick myself right back up.

Trust your friend, and trust all of us. If you feel down, post here again. We are all here to help you as we've been through this too. You even have better game than I do and racked up more dates, but yet you still feel worse than I do. Don't you see a contradiction here? It's all in your head bro.

Hang in there,
Negz

 

[Zunder]

Hey dude. Let me tell you a story. There was once this guy who dated this hot girl. Amazing. She even stayed with him while he was 60 pounds overweight. But it didn't really work out in his favor, though. He was AFC. Didn't really do anything on his own. Depended on his relationship. She had him wrapped around her fingers.

Then it happened. He started to lose weight. He started to become independent. He started to have a life. He stopped apologizing for everything. He started doing things without his girl. Then they started fighting more. Over stupid ****. Then he started looking at other girls. Got really fit. Got lots of compliments and confidence. She started to get jealous and resentful. She flirted with other guys. He got upset, but he kept going. He kept striving.

He even quit his job (which he hated) and started in a new career for which he loved. She didn't support him. In fact, she thought he was a quitter. He strived, and when he succeeded, she only tried to bring him down. In his highest points, she would get upset with him in her immense amount of selfishness. He resented her. He became less attracted to her.

He ended it. He continued to strive. Had lots of luck in the field. Still hooked up with her but dropped her the very next day. He didn't give a ****. He became a ****. Had lots of luck with women. Then one day, it all stopped. He stopped going to the gym. He stopped dieting. He drank more. His game reduced to nothing. He hasn't had sex in a couple of months. Then he realized something.

He stopped focusing on himself for happiness. He neglected his inner game! He turned his life around. Continued dieting. Spent less money on booze. Went out to have fun instead of trying to get with women. Now his game is on a new high. He has new jobs lined up for more money. He sweeps girls off their feet with his charm now. He tries to understand women instead of just trying to get with them. He doesn't have expectations with every girl he meets. Unfortunately, his AA isn't on par, but he is working on it because he feels more confident and successful. He left his ex hanging, stopped answering texts. He won't be going in reverse. He won't be going back. He is a new man in the making.

You probably already figured it out. That man is me. I focused on myself for the past few weeks and have had a blast. Sure I feel down at times, but I pick myself right back up.

Trust your friend, and trust all of us. If you feel down, post here again. We are all here to help you as we've been through this too. You even have better game than I do and racked up more dates, but yet you still feel worse than I do. Don't you see a contradiction here? It's all in your head bro.

Hang in there,
Negz

Good stuff Negz.

 

[jarworpar]

Well you can always go the gay route if you are tired of women. I bet your success rate will skyrocket!

P.S. Gay male porn stars make a killing!

 

[Bible_Belt]

I also notice most people on here, even guys who fail at women like myself, STILL won't ever admit, that maybe JUST MAYBE women in general are ****ed up?

Of course they are, because they are people, and people are fvcked up.

neghitzbrah said that he now tries to understand women. I think that works because they want someone who understands and accepts how fvcked up they really are.

 

[vatoloco]

So I started going out to random busy bars/clubs for the last year, sure I made out with a lot of women, met tons, got numbers, several lays, but never a 10, usually between 4-6s just cause I was horny.

Your problem in red. You're not likely to find quality women there...

Also, if all of these women are rejecting you, I'd take a deep, honest look at yourself. There's gotta be something wrong with you if every single woman is getting turned off. IDK if it's your "very hungry" state (which women can smell a mile away) or what...

I hope Solomon can help you with that.

 

[Solomon]

Your problem in red. You're not likely to find quality women there...

Also, if all of these women are rejecting you, I'd take a deep, honest look at yourself. There's gotta be something wrong with you if every single woman is getting turned off. IDK if it's your "very hungry" state (which women can smell a mile away) or what...

I hope Solomon can help you with that.

I'm not a pro

I talked to dude yesterday and I think it would help him take a break, like you Vatoloco I think guys have to be honest with themselves its deeper then just women. I know for me right now its getting in shape, I'm overweight point blank period. I've seen BN number close some hotties so its not this whole "women find me ugly" It's deeper then that. I personally believe it's his inner game, among other stuff, and also his verbals at times which girls may find creepy cause he has a dry sense of humor.

 

[Tyson420]

I give up too. I'm tired of pursuing and getting nothing in return. This whole thing was a mistake and a waste of time. It's just not me. I'll just hang out with my buddies and enjoy life.

I'm done.

 

[st_99]

sure I made out with a lot of women,

met tons,

got numbers,

several lays,

got dates with probably about 10 or more girls

attractive by most guys standards.

I'm sorry but I don't see a problem here. It sounds like you're whining because you're not in a "relationship"? I think you just need to let that go
and keep doing what you're doing with the expectation that you're just in it for the fun and occasional sex. Before you know it, you'll have a girl that falls in love with you. So just shut up and keep going.

 

[K2000kidd]

I still have reservations about cold approaching and leaving my comfort zone I ALWAYS wait for a clear IOI before i even talk to a woman and work from there. I never opened a set or randomly walked up to an HB and engage her
So you far ahead of me in the game dept

Sounds like you may be shooting for the Moon when realistically you should be aiming for treetops. When I started all over i had far more success dealing with women on MY level. Being a 5 and landing a 9 is near impossible with even the best game.

Women want PRETTY guys at much as we want HOT women I'm a roofer and ive developed a good look, stay in great shape, have a good tan etc. However have come to accept i may never pull a Megan Fox or Kim Kardashian.

 

[NeedToImprove]

just take some time off from women and try to improve some aspects of yourself and your life

 

[The_411]

The thing of it is ... evryone needs to strive not to be outcome dependent. The tone of the first post clearly illustrates why outcome dependancy will lead to failure.

Does that mean that I think women and soceity as a whole aren't screwed up? Absolutely not!

However, when you go looking for trim rather than going to look for a going time and having fun and trim finding you. You notice that the results differ.

Also stop worrying about what numerical value a girl is ... that's good for theorizing but giving women numbers pedestals most of them and one develops a complex of well she's an 8 and I'm 5/6 so I've got to make up for it to bridge the gap.

Cut the crap.... the girl you are talking to is a woman and either you're going to score or you won't but the key is eliminating the obsessing on scoring and worrying if I did this opener or that neg hit etc.

Hell, I completely understand what you are going through it's not easy. That's why when you focus so hard on getting with a woman or finding a girlfriend you will be prone to failure. It's no wonder you want to give up.

When you feel like giving up recognize that your focus is in the wrong place, when you get oneitis your focus is in the wrong place... it means you aren't focusing on yourself and you're being too selfless.

Start trying to think of failures as opportunities to learn. They are but not every single time are you going to improve in a linear fashion. You may learn a little you may take 4 or 5 dating experiences to learn.

Life is to be enjoyed. Once you are enjoying life the woman portion comes easy because with or without them you are happy.

 

[dementia]

identify your sticking point and dont give up. Maybe your sticking point is 1st dates i dunno. So maybe look into framing, patterns, cube, plotlines, cold reads.

another sticking point may be you dont approach 9's n 10's? so the approach itself?

Also never get into a situation where a girl is saying "i dont want a bf now etc" that means you''ve asked her which is a no no.

Focus on the process and your sticking points. Its not all hopeless as 1000's of other people in the world show. Take a look at yourself maybe, ego aside...All the stuff you mentioned was created for 9's-10's not 4-6's... i wouldnt even know or want to game this level. It wouldnt work! you dont neg a 4 at all if u ask me, or have to.. real 4's will be on ur nuts in seconds if you just let em know.

As others have said your progress is fine. Just focus on the process, dont sweat things too much and identify your sticking points n read up on it.

 

[Solomon]

The thing of it is ... evryone needs to strive not to be outcome dependent. The tone of the first post clearly illustrates why outcome dependancy will lead to failure.

Does that mean that I think women and soceity as a whole aren't screwed up? Absolutely not!

However, when you go looking for trim rather than going to look for a going time and having fun and trim finding you. You notice that the results differ.

Also stop worrying about what numerical value a girl is ... that's good for theorizing but giving women numbers pedestals most of them and one develops a complex of well she's an 8 and I'm 5/6 so I've got to make up for it to bridge the gap.

Cut the crap.... the girl you are talking to is a woman and either you're going to score or you won't but the key is eliminating the obsessing on scoring and worrying if I did this opener or that neg hit etc.

Hell, I completely understand what you are going through it's not easy. That's why when you focus so hard on getting with a woman or finding a girlfriend you will be prone to failure. It's no wonder you want to give up.

When you feel like giving up recognize that your focus is in the wrong place, when you get oneitis your focus is in the wrong place... it means you aren't focusing on yourself and you're being too selfless.

Start trying to think of failures as opportunities to learn. They are but not every single time are you going to improve in a linear fashion. You may learn a little you may take 4 or 5 dating experiences to learn.

Life is to be enjoyed. Once you are enjoying life the woman portion comes easy because with or without them you are happy.

+1 AND REPPED

This is why I hate the whole rating thing or "notches" mentality that most other forums have. Its all about your not good unless you bang "10's" all the time. This outcome dependency will F you up trust me I've been through it