I'm considering taking on an apprentice

[Aragon034]

Yes, like a dark sith lord i've been considering taking the fatty lump of clay that is a friend of mine (the same one who **** the sheets while getting laid) and perverting him with all the elements of truth I've learned in the past few years. ( I love comparing mormons and jehovas witnesses that come to me to the Sith. It always gets them confused as hell)

I fully acknowledge all the drama/problems/insanity such a course of action would entail. But this guy is a good friend of mine and i seriously want to help him.

So you get an idea, he's 23 years old, never had a LTR, and he's been laid twice exactly. Once while drunk with a fatty (he utterly regrets it), and once with the girl i helped him hook up with.

He's also 290 pounds. and about 44% body fat. and as far as i know, never picked up a weight in his life.

He's got a decent career in front of him, he's studying film and strives to be a director. several hotties work with him in class and it's frustrating the hell out of him that he's getting LJBF when he makes any move.

To be frank, personality wise he's almost exactly like i was before i started my self-improvement sans the assholishness, so i feel a distinct camaraderie with him.

I get this urge because recently, we were talking, and his dad is giving him his old motorcycle. He was psyched because he loves motorcycles and feels that it'll help him get a girl he really wants. (yeah, i nearly broke out laughing)

he's also been expressing the urge to lose weight, he's currently in the obligatory phase where he's sitting on his fat ass and reading about calorie restriction, steady state low impact cardio, bla bla bla... basically veggatating in his comfy computer chair.

I'm currently in the process of building an at home gym, and feel that if i get him in there, away from supposedly prying eyes and give him some personal training as well as broach the subject of pick up, he could end up becoming a great man. it'll at least burn some fat off him and he'll feel more confident.

I'm not fully decided either way, in any case it's not going to be any skin off my ass since most of it will be fun **** (like clubbing,filming movies, working out, etc)

i was hoping to hear some thoughts from some of the older guys here.

P.S. Oh, i'm NOT personally telling him about this site or any other PUA site. not just because i'm on this one too, but because in his current state and his own penchant for internet use, he'd likely end up a KBJ.

 

[KontrollerX]

Good stuff man.

Philanthropy can be fun every now and then especially if you've got a worthy project for it.

An idea for you to help get him going with the cardio is see if he's got an exercise bike, an Xbox Live subscription and Halo 3 or another game he can play while exercising it up.

I used the Halo games to lose 30lbs before.

Cardio is so boring the games help it go by quickly the only challenge is to try and remain at a steady pace while doing it.

I'm sure going for target heart rate and high intensity interval training burn the most fat but the guy is a beginner and likely resistant to exercise of any form so my idea may help him get started at least.

 

[Warboss Alex]

there's NOTHING wrong with steady state cardio especially if you're 300lbs.

 

[KarmaSutra]

This may help give you a model to build your Mentoring foundation:

Mentoring the younger man:

Boat loads of insight from some of the most respected, most thoughtful, no bullsh1t, guys you could ever hope to meet.

If your padawan has any questions about the film business let me know as I'm a film school grad and have a couple of decent contacts.

Good luck and props to you for taking on a brother in need. This will help you grow as much, perhaps more, than he.

 

[The Bat]

I think you should start right away because I now have friends that are a bit older than this guy and are somewhat hopelessly stuck in the matrix.

It's easier to unplug younger guys and show them the right way of doing things when they are still learning and exploring.

But when you get guys who are knee deep in 5+ years LTR, then it becomes very difficult to show them that their girlfriend is a cold, calculating, immature, life-sucking low quality little girl. I don't say this out of spite or hate, understand that, I say this out of concern for my friends. Although I would be jeopardizing my friendships with them if I did tell them what I really thought of their "one/girlfriend/fiancee", I think it's sad that they're so AFC that they'd rather lose an honest, loyal friend over their "one soulmate" who are their source of happiness and assurance as a Man.

One piece of advice: Don't throw all of this stuff at him all at once. It's too much to handle and would be too overwhelming. Training him and putting him on a good diet would be the first and the correct step to self-improvement.

 

[Aragon034]

good responses from all. i appreciate all the feedback.

KontrollerX: i've heard of the gaming while burning calories method before, had he a gaming console i'd try it but he's much more into computers.

And yes, the philanthropic side of this is quite appealing.

Warboss Alex: No i agree, but just READING about it is going to do nothing! i'm thinking of getting this guy to go biking with me often. or at least do cardio while watching TV on bike or elliptical.

fuzzx: Yes, this is only the beginning, eventually i shall rule the world! Whuahahahahaha!

*Cough* uhhh yeah.

KarmaSutra; That's EXAC TLY what i needed to hear. Wow, the perfect nudge in the right direction. Thank you!

The Bat: Yep, i plan on starting mid-next month once i get my home gym set up. i plan on starting on him with physical and outer game (He dresses like a walmart wharf) , and slowly injecting thoughts about inner game as well as be an example when we go out.

He's still pretty immature, as he's not had any LTR so i don't think it'll be that hard to get him on board as long as i slowly bring him into the fold.


The plan at the moment is meet up with him and offer the services of my "gym" under the pretense that it's easier to work out with a friend, and besides, it'll be free.

The actual train of thought i have is that alot of fat guys avoid the gym because they're ashamed to be seen in it. No matter how much you tell them to not worry about the guy next to them benchpressing a small car, they still feel self-conscious about it and it really affects them.

next week i've got a final check up on my injuries, from there, i'll have the medical go ahead to start lifting again. So by Mid-November, i anticipate 2-3 sessions a week with him.

in that time, i'll invite him to the parties i get invited to, and i'm sure he'll invite me to such things as well. this is where being an example and the real mentoring come into play.

i'm thinking rather short term as this is just the end of the year. we'll see what new years brings us.

 

[KarmaSutra]

The only drawback to Mentoring-

- is sometimes we tend to think of ourselves as somewhat superior. This is surely a trap and will fvcking kill any sense of giving back and ruin your credibility.

I'm conscious of this everytime I talk to one of the brothers who are under my tutelage which keeps things simple and trustworthy.

When I give them an assignment it's strictly in their best interest alone. Though I grow exponentially as a man watching these guys morph from stagnancy into thoughtful, congruent men who are proud to stand up and back their own opinion.

I truly applaude you brothers who put themselves out there for others in the real world.

Keep us all apprised of your progress.

 

[Rata Blanca]

"A strong man cannot help a weaker unless that weaker is willing to be helped, and even then the weak man must become strong of himself; he must, by his own efforts, develop the strength which he admires in another. None but himself can alter his condition."

 

[Aragon034]

"A strong man cannot help a weaker unless that weaker is willing to be helped, and even then the weak man must become strong of himself; he must, by his own efforts, develop the strength which he admires in another. None but himself can alter his condition."

True words, and as it happens the weak IS willing to be helped.

I talked to the guy today, we ended up going to walmart to pick up that new Neutrogena Wave (meh, it's overrated) and we talked about this stuff.

he's got serious oneitis issues, he falls in love with every new cute chick he meets. But once he either gets shot down or doesn't do anything, he gets frustrated and cuts off communication.

His pedestal now is in his own words the "Smartest, funniest" chick he's known. She's cute, but nothing special, i'm gonna meet her in a few weeks during a film shoot. I think his standards have gone down seriously due to lack of success.

Didn't talk too much about inner game, he's depressed and convinced that because he's fat as hell he'll never get more than a drunken ONS or something on that same level. once he starts improving outer game (planning on taking him shopping and we're still on for gym training) i'll start to broach more on inner game.

did 2 approaches just to show him a few things. One a complete disaster (albeit on purpose) and the other went well.

The disaster was more a bet, i mentioned something about having balls of steel and he called me on it. So i walked up to a 2 set who were trying to get in the store via the exit doors. I tell them that it's supposed to be exit only, just like their asses. They got this look of shock, then started laughing, and walked away. the poor walmart greeter was this old guy who just looked at me like i was the devil's cabana boy.

the second set was with a girl inside the pharmacy department, i ask her if she knows where the Wave is, blah blah, skin care, blah blah, i push more comedy and general with those people who mob you in malls trying to get you to buy those expensive creams and whatnot. it's a fun little conversation.

i try for the instadate but alas, she was working all night, so i recover and say "Well i'm not wasting this opportunity, it's rare i meet girls as good conversationalists as you, gimme your number and we'll get a coffee sometime."

got her number, called right away so she had mine, walked away.

he was impressed, but not inspired. he says that cuz i'm alot skinnier, better looking, better dressed, that it's easier for me to do it. but i reminded him that it wasn't always like this (he knew me back in AFC days) and he started thinking, he wants to go shopping on Boxing Day for new clothes and i see no problem with it. This is gonna take awhile and by then we'll be consistantly working out.

Looks half decent so far, if he sees even a bit of success in any avenue he'll be inspired to keep going. So i'll push him a bit on the weight loss and once he sees himself slimming down, he'll feel more confident.

 

[Aragon034]

Update: I haven't done much recently due to exams and general business on both ends. Though we've worked out a schedule fpr weight loss program and i'm working on a meal plan for him to lose weight but not die of hunger panic attacks

I met his latest crush, she's cute, funny, smart and totally not interested in him. Were I any more bastard than i already am, i'd put the moves on her (alas, I feel helping him improve would benefit me more than attempting a relationship with a girl he fancies)

He confessed that he once told a mutual friend that he liked her, and this mutual "friend" told her and her reaction was "Are you serious? Eww!"

So he's a little depressed, add the holiday season and the fact that his b-day is on the 23rd of December and he's really depressed, though not broken yet.

i'm considering taking him somewhere for his b-day, but from prior experience this guy can out drink a fish, his close group of friends are all drinkers too (fat and AFC as well) so i'm trying to stay clear of them. One of them in my archnemesis that was put on this earth to try and destroy me anyways so i rarely if ever see them.

i'm gonna wait till the new year comes before starting the asskicking, this gives me a chance to better prepare and get into the high energy dynamic i need anyways.

i'll get a good picture of him next time i see him so we have a reference point.