If you have no female friends you are forced to rely on picking up girls at clubs, OLD or PUA.

[MtmVaott]

I have a lot of female friends and it doesn't take away the need for those things at all. It helps in some ways but it doesn't yield many more opportunities than without. Getting invited to party with them is the biggest one, but she often has gossiped(sabotage) about you before hand to her friends and even a well meaning friend can't control the negative turn gossip usually takes. They also tend to hook you up only with their least attractive friends, which shows they view you as low SMV (hence just being friends).

It should be the opposite. Always. A woman who does this doesn't contribute to the "friendship". Her benefit for you is always her network and that she makes it accessible to you.
Another benefit would be if she is a validating person, or someone you can just have fun with. It should really go hand in hand.
I think these are fake female friends. They don't value you enough, so they toss you to any woman who is really desperately needing a BF right now. Because they value that friend more.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I have a lot of female friends and it doesn't take away the need for those things at all. It helps in some ways but it doesn't yield many more opportunities than without. Getting invited to party with them is the biggest one, but she often has gossiped(sabotage) about you before hand to her friends and even a well meaning friend can't control the negative turn gossip usually takes. They also tend to hook you up only with their least attractive friends, which shows they view you as low SMV (hence just being friends).

this so much

 

[thermodynamic]

I have a lot of female friends and it doesn't take away the need for those things at all. It helps in some ways but it doesn't yield many more opportunities than without. Getting invited to party with them is the biggest one, but she often has gossiped(sabotage) about you before hand to her friends and even a well meaning friend can't control the negative turn gossip usually takes. They also tend to hook you up only with their least attractive friends, which shows they view you as low SMV (hence just being friends).

Yes getting invited to party with them is a huge opportunity. If they are sabotaging you beforehand - well you have a problem here. Let me be clear - ALL of my female friends seem attracted to me in some capacity. I just have not made a move, they have a boyfreind allready who is freind of mine, or I do not want to make a move. If you are being viewed as low SMV its because you probably are.

Also the right type of negative publicity is actually good publicity.

 

[thermodynamic]

If they are attracted and single, they will usually sabotage.

Yes, totally this.

When I mentioned being just freinds with girls I never meant being freindzoned by girls who don't respect you.

I basically NEVER interact with women who don't respect me - the second I get some disrespect I respond accordingly - sometimes playfully sometimes seriously.

 

[Barrister]

Normal guys have female friends. If you do not have any that is indicative of a problem

The only female "friends" I have ever had in my life have either been wives/girlfriends of my buddies or women who we were pretending to be "friends" when in fact there was a lot of sexual tension. You get this in social settings -- you can pick up on the attraction when speaking to a woman who you work with but are at the bar with that suddenly there is a spark there. In fact, I generally suspect that if my buddy's wife/gfs broke up that they would be open to sleeping with me due to a lot of vibes I pick up on.

Women make horrible friends to men because they don't play by our rules. Loyalty, honor, and thick skin for joke telling are generally completely absent with females in general. I have met approximately two women in my life who I would say had these qualities - but despite that being a "friend" to them is still not possible. There is still sexual tension despite all that and it changes everything. And at the end of the day, they will sell you out if it benefits them to do so. Men don't (usually) do this.

To summarize, I disagree with your statement and think men are completely "normal" to not have female "friends."

 

[thermodynamic]

The only female "friends" I have ever had in my life have either been wives/girlfriends of my buddies or women who we were pretending to be "friends" when in fact there was a lot of sexual tension. You get this in social settings -- you can pick up on the attraction when speaking to a woman who you work with but are at the bar with that suddenly there is a spark there. In fact, I generally suspect that if my buddy's wife/gfs broke up that they would be open to sleeping with me due to a lot of vibes I pick up on.

Women make horrible friends to men because they don't play by our rules. Loyalty, honor, and thick skin for joke telling are generally completely absent with females in general. I have met approximately two women in my life who I would say had these qualities - but despite that being a "friend" to them is still not possible. There is still sexual tension despite all that and it changes everything. And at the end of the day, they will sell you out if it benefits them to do so. Men don't (usually) do this.

To summarize, I disagree with your statement and think men are completely "normal" to not have female "friends."

Yea, I can attest to this. Let's change it to female acquaintances.

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I wouldnt say they dont respect you. They just dont respect you sexually/aren't attracted to you. If they dont respect me at all, I cut them out because they are actually acting disrespectful, which I did last year to one of them.

I do not really have the experience of having female freinds who are not attracted to me / don't respect me sexually. How the hell do you guys end up in this situation in the first place? If I get some some comment of that sort I usually laugh and give some kind of funny comeback. I basically never interact with women I consider out of my league - thereby they do not act out of my league. The only women I consider out of my league would be those that can best me in some competition of physical strength or some serious celebrity.

 

[BadBoy89]

Of course the hotter girls you can get as your friends the better since even having them around you and being able to bring them along to parties with you will increase you social standing with the other top lads you're also trying to impress.

A man should sleep with his hot friends.

To bring a hot friend to a party hoping to increase your standing with other guys is Child’s Play.

Having more plain female friends has the advantages of, less competition since guys aint really talking to them like that plus they are way more likely than hotter girls to feel almost indebted towards you and will be more loyal since they receive less positive reinforcement than hot girls.

Again, a man should sleep with hot girls. Not be their “friends”.

But these female friends will give you social proof and knowing them will provide you with endless opportunities to meet other girls. Even something as simple as you stop to say hello to the one chick you kinda know and now you can get introduced to all these others girls shes hanging with that you didn't know.

A man shouldnt depend on girls to introduce him to other girls. That’s Beta talk.

Getting to girls this way is obviously vastly superior to just cold approaching in clubs.

So in terms of the "friendzone" you aren't supposed to be these girls simp you're just an guy she kinda knows.

Your close friend group should be made of the highest tier guys you can get.

Also for some of the less experienced people just having a female friend and being around her should help them understand women a little better.

A man should not get female friends to understand them better. A man should sleep with any girl he finds attractive.

 

[SW15]

The 4 date rule is outdated too if you dating women 18-30 if she likes you, you're getting the least head by the 2nd date if you are not getting the box by the 3rd date the latest it means she FZed you

This is true. If you're dating women 31+, you're still probably going to get the box by the 3rd date at the latest. The only exception I can think of with either women 18-30 or women 31+ in terms of getting the box by the 3rd date are active practitioners of a Christian religion who are staunchly against pre-marital sex. Most guys who spend time on a forum like SoSuave aren't interacting with those type of women.

A man shouldnt depend on girls to introduce him to other girls. That’s Beta talk.

He shouldn't depend on it. If he has some female acquaintances that can provide introductions, then it would be best to utilize those connections. A social circle introduction is a higher percentage play than a swipe app interaction or approaching a stranger (either in a bar or non-bar setting). I've never had a social circle capable of providing me introductions so over the past 20+ years, I've either had to use technology or approach strangers to find dates. It's a more difficult path and it's not a path I recommend highly. Social circle is better in the shorter to medium term. You can get a solid, medium term (1-4 years) girlfriend via social circles more easily than through approaches or swiping more easily.

The problem with social circles becomes sustainability. For instance, I've lived in my current city over 10 years. Social circles have a way of getting pissed off at men who continually exchange girlfriends without marriage or babies, even if the relationships are semi-long (1-4 years). After 2 or so instances of medium term relationships, the social circle will run dry. Social circle is not likely ideal for serial monogamist who does have extended relationships but doesn't commit or the player type who tends to have relationships of less than 1 year.

In theory, you can fix this problem with relocating and re-creating social circles every so often. In practice, that would never happen. Relocations have a way of ruining social circles. Also, after age 30 at the latest, you're not getting into a good social circle in a new city if you relocate. You can get friends if you relocate after 30 but you're not likely to get a social circle that will provide you intoductions to quality girlfriends, unless you can manage to be a mid to late 30s year old guy who mainly socializes with mid-20s people. That last sentence probably isn't going to happen.

a man should sleep with hot girls. Not be their “friends”.

A man should not get female friends to understand them better. A man should sleep with any girl he finds attractive.

I agree with this.

The only female "friends" I have ever had in my life have either been wives/girlfriends of my buddies or women who we were pretending to be "friends" when in fact there was a lot of sexual tension. You get this in social settings -- you can pick up on the attraction when speaking to a woman who you work with but are at the bar with that suddenly there is a spark there. In fact, I generally suspect that if my buddy's wife/gfs broke up that they would be open to sleeping with me due to a lot of vibes I pick up on.
I disagree with your statement and think men are completely "normal" to not have female "friends."

I do not have female friends. In my entire life, I have had virtually no female friends. I consider myself a normal guy. Avoiding female friends is one of the better things that I've done in the mating environment my entire life. Yes, what I've done has consequences.

I am on good terms with many of my friends' girlfriends or wives. Since moving to my current city over a decade ago, none of my male friends' girlfriends have done anything for me in terms of introductions. One of my closest friends moved to my current city with a girlfriend who he later married. This guy's girlfriend arrived in this city with over 1,000 Facebook friends (this was in the earliest days of Instagram). Despite her 1,000+ Facebook friends, 0 introductions for me. Horse poop. She also did a poor job making friends in this city. I can share some other examples from my friends' girlfriends/wives as well. No one has ever lifted a finger to make an effort to introduce me to anyone.

It seems like we've had similar experiences with the wives/girlfriends of friends/acquaintances.

I define male friendship based on the @Mike32ct idea that you need to spend 1-on-1 time with a guy semi-regularly to define him as a friend.

In terms of my friends who live in my current city right now, I don't think I would make plays on any of them upon a breakup right now. They've gotten too old and I've seen their looks decline in the 7-10 years or so they've been with my friends. That's not worth ruining a male friendship over. However, there are girlfriends/wives of acquaintances (people who are friends with guys I consider friends) where I would be more likely to make a play on their aging 30 something women if they became available. I don't care about pissing off male acquaintances even if they are close with someone of my actual male friends.

 

[LTG71]

One thing I will say, having female associates is a great cheerleading squad. Women are master gossipers and they will defend the hell of you if you're on their good side. You can tell how much a girl likes you based on what she says about you behind closed doors. Girls will absolutely go to bat for you for free.

These female acquaintances will provide social proof. See this happen a lot at work when a new woman is hired. The women you are in good standing with will vouch for you in a tribal sense. What is interesting is I’ve seen these same acquaintances that gave you proof become jealous if you start mentioning or talking to these new women too much. There is some level of unspoken entitlement to your time and attention. As if you are in some type of pseudo relationship.

Women are resource gatherers and if they find a good supplier, they don’t want to give that up. If you are providing her with some type of benefits, she’s not going to want to give them away by introducing you to one of her hot friends. Especially if she has some level of attraction to you. Women are selfish this way.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I feel like women friendzone certain type of men. It doesn’t mean they are in the toxic one sided friendzone you see guys crying about though. I’ve never been friendzoned by a girl like that. Usually I get ghosted lol. My closest female friends are exes I stay in contact with or women that were already married when I met them.