If you could kill a cop...

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No offense but you have no idea what you're talking about. Until you've actually been in the position of a police officer, your opinion based on perspective counts for absolutely zero. I've done ride alongs (as part of my juvinlie sentancing) in baltimore and sat at a patrolmans desk looking through records. Situations that seem perfectly safe can not be assumed as such because that's how police officers die. They have no way of gaguing the mental state of the person they're pulling over for a routine traffic stop. They don't even know if you're the owner of the car until they ask for your liscense. In vegas, the police force in north town is almost garunteed to use their gun at least once a month. Some of them actually request to work there because they get to use their guns. I know this because I spend alot of time with police officers. Free time and unfortunately jail time.
No offense, but your actually the one who doesnt know what hes talking about. If situations that seem perfectly safe are how cops die like you say, then this means that cops should fear old ladies just as much as they should fear a black man. If cops really are totally ignorant like that where they "just cant tell", then maybe cops should require a "hand show" no matter who or what the situation is for any pull over. But its not like that. And becuase its not like that, this is why cops do it sometimes and sometimes dont. But the fact is, they can tell if the risk is high or low, dont act like cops are ignorant. I know that some cop deaths were from situations that seemed safe, but most deaths were from situations that did seem dangerous (ie the tag run says a stolen car. you can run their tag and know immidietly if they got insurance or if the car is stolen, you dont even need to pull them over to know if the car is stolen unless they dont have a tag at all, but that would be suspicious anyway). So if most deaths are from dangerous seeming situations, then this means when a cop experiences a "safe" situation, its a safe assumption to assume he is at low risk (no pun intended).

This does remind me though about the last time I got pulled over cause of my stickers. The police officer walked up to my car and knocked on my window and I rolled it down. After i gave him my liscense I asked him why he didn't have me put my hands out the window? (I have california tint on my side and rear windows, so you can't see sh*t. He immedeately asked me if I had any weapons or narcotics in the car. I said no and I will concent to a search if he so wished. He told me sometimes he doesn't see any risk. I then asked him if that was dangerous and he replied "VERY". Anyway he let me off for my sticker because I told him I was getting my car fixed before I could get it smogged. Thank god cause I hate going to the court house for those fixable tickets. Takes so much time.
its only "very" dangerous becuase there will always be that risk of being shot, its always their and never goes away. But this apparently doesnt keep cops from acting cautious sometimes and lax at other times. Driving a car in general is also "very" dangerous (risk of car accident, which can lead to death), in fact more so than a "safe seeming" pull over, but does this mean people need to act afraid everyrtime they drive? no, so then why did the cop need to act afraid in the situation I speak of?
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
yep, cops are heros!!!

click the article to read about their great acts of heroism, law enforcement and good treatment towards non violent people who are innocent until provent guilty!

"The protestors screamed as deputies pulled back their heads, opened their eyes, and “swabbed” the burning liquid to their eyeballs"

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510671997?open&of=ENG-2AM

^Cops were only there to help these people out im sure ;)
I see thew only kind of rebut to this post of mine is silence.....

I guess you pig lovers cant explain this one can ya? yeah, cops are definitely A-holes, this proves it.
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
I see thew only kind of rebut to this post of mine is silence.....

I guess you pig lovers cant explain this one can ya? yeah, cops are definitely A-holes, this proves it.
Yep, this article from 10 years ago depicts the actions of every police officer's action that they perform on a daily basis in every city in the US.
 

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Deus ex Pianoforte said:
What in God's name are you saying? You are entirely ignorant of how a police department is structured, my friend. "Bastards on the motorway" ARE police officers. They ARE the real police. What do you think, you just "sign up" to be a detective? They choose a SWAT team with a random lottery? Every police officer starts out as a traffic cop. That's what cops DO. All these guys that you see in the movies solving murders, analyzing crime scenes, and telling 20-somethings with a badge to go get them a cup of coffee have been doing that s'hit for some time. They all started out by writing tickets, and yes, doing the unthinkable...pulling people over doing almost double the speed limit. That's what their job description says.
ah an american! it's different over here, that's what they sign up for

Deus ex Pianoforte said:
Now as I said before, if you got a problem with getting a parking ticket for being four minutes late, or a problem with getting "banned" for doing 105 in a 70...your frustration is very misguided. This is not the police officer's fault. Police officers do NOT make the laws, contrary to popular opinion of the gangsta-rap culture. This is the job of congress, and your state legislature. Hate your senators, your councilmen, the governors...but police officers? That's like getting angry at the guy at the gas station for filling up your tank with gas.
ever hear of give and take? there's no reason to be by the book, that's pointless - 105 would be too fast if there were traffic around but for cruising down on a quiet day with no-one about it's nothing
 

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ValleyDJing said:
I get frustrated as well...but then again, have you seen the death rates that car accidents (aka negligent driving) causes? Hundreds of thousands every year.
negligence, not speed - speed is a factor in few accidents whereas not paying attention is dangerous...
 

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ValleyDJing said:
Yeah...I still race occasionally. I don't go out and set s.hit up, its just...If I pull up to a stop light, and some kid in a ricer tries to punk me, I'm not gonna let that happen. haha! I think its a small miracle I haven't been pulled over yet *knock on wood*...but if they did, I wouldn't b.itch about it, cause, well I deserve it. I can see maybe being upset about getting pulled over for going over by like 5mph, but like that one dude said up there 105 in a 70?! Come on! He has nobody to blame but himself. Cop would probably rather give him a ticket than scrape his brains up off the road later.
it wasn't a ticket, it was a revoked licence - much different thing, and it wasn't dangerous at all, empty motorway, 4 lanes - where is the danger?!
 

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ValleyDJing said:
Damn Deaux...speaking of killing, you're body count is rising like nothing else in this forum.

1. El Febreezy
2. God of Getting Layed
4. Howard Alex

Anyways, this thread is stupid.
where did he get me? his points are invalid because they don't apply in this country...
 

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howardalex said:
it wasn't a ticket, it was a revoked licence - much different thing, and it wasn't dangerous at all, empty motorway, 4 lanes - where is the danger?!
You're telling me you have no idea what happens when you blow a tire out at 105 mph? Come on, man...get real.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Yep, this article from 10 years ago depicts the actions of every police officer's action that they perform on a daily basis in every city in the US.
GOGL gets pwned again.
 

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You're telling me you have no idea what happens when you blow a tire out at 105 mph? Come on, man...get real.
my tyres were tested at much greater speeds (300kmph) and I had 6 pot brakes (fvcking powerful ones), there was no danger at all
 

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Deus ex Pianoforte said:
Are they, really? So in your country citizens are the ones that make the call if a driving pattern is dangerous or not, instead of the police officers? In the words of Samuel L. Jackson..."I'm goin'. That's all there is to it, I'm f'uckin' going."

The vast majority of posters on here are American, thus if you're referring to laws in a different country...you'd best specify first. ;)
no I said that they choose to be traffic police rather than real cops, they choose to harass motorists for a job rather than fighting crime.

yeah sorry I should've made that clear though
 

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howardalex said:
no I said that they choose to be traffic police rather than real cops, they choose to harass motorists for a job rather than fighting crime.
I thought police officers are given rotated through different assignments including traffic patrol, response/patrol units, school resource and crime prevention. Some require more experienced officers while others are used to give new officers working experience.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I thought police officers are given rotated through different assignments including traffic patrol, response/patrol units, school resource and crime prevention. Some require more experienced officers while others are used to give new officers working experience.
well I've spoken to ex-policemen and they said they were given the job as traffic cops and maintained it
 

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howardalex said:
my tyres were tested at much greater speeds (300kmph) and I had 6 pot brakes (fvcking powerful ones), there was no danger at all
There's a lot more that can make tires blow out than just age and potholes. Temperature can play a factor, foreign objects on the roadway, defective tires, etc.

I'm not saying you're dumb or whatever for driving that fast, hell I do it all the time too. But I feel like I have a better grasp on reality than you do. I do so at my own risk, while you think there is no risk. Dude, it doesn't matter which way you slice it, there's absolutely nothing safe about driving 105 mph. End of discussion.
 

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ValleyDJing said:
There's a lot more that can make tires blow out than just age and potholes. Temperature can play a factor, foreign objects on the roadway, defective tires, etc.

I'm not saying you're dumb or whatever for driving that fast, hell I do it all the time too. But I feel like I have a better grasp on reality than you do. I do so at my own risk, while you think there is no risk. Dude, it doesn't matter which way you slice it, there's absolutely nothing safe about driving 105 mph. End of discussion.
okay okay, not no risk, but very very little risk - my tyres doing 105 are much less risky than say a ford ka doing 70
a blanket speed limit isn't a fair system, the police know this but instead of saying I was doing 99 (and sparing my licence) he said 105...no give or take whatsoever

plus, I am in touch with reality, when I drive fast I do it on my own, I don't cut close to anyone and I don't create any real danger

end of discussion.
 

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well I've spoken to ex-policemen and they said they were given the job as traffic cops and maintained it
See thats where you and God of Getting Laid have no room to speak. You've spoken to ex-police officers while some of us are police officers, or live with police officers, or are making law enforcement their career paths. You guys seem like you got your information on cops off of TV or the new 50 cent or Tupac cd or whatever. So the people that actually know about police work are telling you two that you're wrong and you're too stubborn to admit that maybe we have a better handle on the subject than you guys do.
 

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See thats where you and God of Getting Laid have no room to speak. You've spoken to ex-police officers while some of us are police officers, or live with police officers, or are making law enforcement their career paths. You guys seem like you got your information on cops off of TV or the new 50 cent or Tupac cd or whatever. So the people that actually know about police work are telling you two that you're wrong and you're too stubborn to admit that maybe we have a better handle on the subject than you guys do.
you have no idea about me - I've experienced the system and my problem is that traffic police don't bend the rules even a little, they stick by the book and don't accept there's a grey area between the black and white.

I'm not denying your knowledge, I'm giving you the perspective who's been fvcked over by the system
 

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well I've spoken to ex-policemen and they said they were given the job as traffic cops and maintained it
The officers I know didn't care for traffic duty because it was both boring and dangerous. There's a danger of them getting into accidents during a traffic stop by passer-bys driving too close to the traffic stop and running into the squad, the stopped vehicle and/or the officer himself.

My buds were always glad to come off that part of their rotation. It's hard for me to fathom anyone choosing to just do traffic enforcement, maybe that's why your friends aren't officers any more.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
The officers I know didn't care for traffic duty because it was both boring and dangerous. There's a danger of them getting into accidents during a traffic stop by passer-bys driving too close to the traffic stop and running into the squad, the stopped vehicle and/or the officer himself.

My buds were always glad to come off that part of their rotation. It's hard for me to fathom anyone choosing to just do traffic enforcement, maybe that's why your friends aren't officers any more.
hey let me just make this clear - any officer who deals with real crime is honourable, I just believe that anyone who chooses to persue a career in harassment of the public is scum.
 

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you have no idea about me - I've experienced the system and my problem is that traffic police don't bend the rules even a little, they stick by the book and don't accept there's a grey area between the black and white.

I'm not denying your knowledge, I'm giving you the perspective who's been fvcked over by the system

Letter of the law: There's no room to argue on this one...doesn't matter what the cop thinks, he has to arrest you or fine you whatever it might be, there's no room for compromise.

The grey area you're talking about is the Spirit of the Law.
In the Spirit of the Law, police are allowed to use their own judgement to decide whether or not to give you a ticket. But the key with spirit of the law is that the judgement is the police officers to make, not yours and mine.
 

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