If you consider a chick a "9", she's more likely a 5 in reality.

[AttackFormation]

I have women in my family who agree.....

Yep, but finding women who agree with that isn't even hard. A lot of/most women I've encountered practically refuse to be seen without some form of cosmetic augmentation whether it's actual make-up and/or something like fake eyelashes.

 

[zekko]

No man here should be pedestalizing women, I don't care what they look like.

But it seems to me that some guys here get upset if they think that a girl might be "prettier" than they are.