If You Are A Don Juan, Why Do You Even Like Women?

[girlsarecrazy]

Eventually you will become a married man through DJ'ing. I don't believe most men will become a DJ for the rest of their life. They will want to find companionship with someone who is the most compatible later in life. When you are married, it's okay to stop playing the game. It's okay to fall out of your comfort zone and fall in love. You don't have to stick DJ'ing while your married.

 

[Tazman]

DonJuanForever I hear you loud and clear. I used to fantasize about beautiful women who were loving, caring, trustworthy, etc (all BS really). This is coming from a guy who landed a girl he was attracted to and experienced the total opposite of what I thought was out there (I was never a doormat or anything). This is why guys come here, to basically manipulate girls into giving up the *****. You know, "acting" OB with c/f and all the rest of it. We aren't doing this because we want to share platonic relationships with women, we're doing it because we want to have sex. If we all were having sex with attractive women on a regular basis would it be necessary to have a site like this?

The funny thing is, it's actually easier (for me anyway) to deal with women when I treat them like sex objects. I'm not saying I don't think they're people just like myself, of course they are, but thinking like that just gets in the way when it comes to getting *****. I take them with a grain of salt and I'm much better off, they only get as much respect as they show toward me, but even then I like to tip the scale in my favor. As women get older they tend to become more down-to-earth and a little easier to deal with because their looks start fading and they aren't as sexually valuable any more. This is all relative but for the most part I find it holds true.

 

[DonJuanForever]

Yeah you know, basically, I didn't want to start a flame war but I had a gut feeling it was going to come up and I believe that's why quality posters don't post anymore.

The whole point of this post was that "love" "the one" "romance" and all that other stuff that when I was an AFC, I wanted in a woman, I am finding out through being in the field that those things are not real. I even compared it to Santa Claus and Christmas.

When I said women were basically only good for sex, if you think about it, at least where I am at currently in life at 22, that's all they are good for! And if they are good for other things it might be because you're not the best man you can be!

Some guys say they want excitement, fun, acceptance, etc., from women, when really....we should already be getting that from our lives! Make sense? When you look at it, what other reason, besides sex, should I talk to women? I mean having a child is one thing but I don't have any of those.

And the overall point I was making was this. Once you grow into your final stages of being a don juan, you START TO SEE women as not being all cute and lovely anymore! That hb9 right there.....I see a girl who woke up this morning who's breath smelled horribly and azz needed washing. I don't see goddesses anymore, which was the AFC's view of women, make sense?

But...here's the problem, lol......now, forget acting as the prize its like, I don't really even fvckin want them anymore! And hell naw I ain't gay, I mean, it's just like finding out Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were not real. It was fun to fantasize, but when you wake up, the feeling is gone. And it's like, lol, the feeling is gone with women and I get bored quick with them and want to go back chasing my passions in life. I mean, am I alone here, has anybody gone through this?

 

[OceanWindRider]

DJForever,
I can't relate to what you're saying for the lack of similar experience.
But I can kind of understand it.
I would suggest reread the post by I-am-someone and try to see if you can relate to it. I think his advice is good.

 

[BrotherAP]

DonJuanForever, what you are going through is (hopefully) a stage, one of disillusionment and exaggerated negativity towards women. When you completely reject the possibility of a woman as a companion, what you are doing is building a defense mechanism. You might not realize it, but somewhere internally you've adopted the belief that you have to think of women as good-for-nothing-but-sex in order to actually obtain them. Of course you're not going to want something that you've actually talked yourself out of enjoying.

But seriously what kind of MAN doesn't like WOMEN? It's the classic pursuit. Men have wanted women for as long as they've wanted food and water, since before trucks, football, and even beer. The perfect compliment to a great man is a great woman, somebody who he can care for besides himself and give him companionship for whenever he needs it. This truly is a pursuit worthy much more than just sex. You can have sex and more, if you want it. If you don't, you're going to wind up a bitter, rich old man.

Truly women are not all that bad. I've met some really great girls in my day, some that I still think about to this day as ones that set the standard for who I'll date in the future. Sure, there are a lot of shallow, insecure, self-centered disloyal *****es out there. There's probably a lot of men like that too. Hell, with that mindset on women, you're probably one of them. Pook and Anti-Dump preached that you must become the great catch, that man every girl wants. Well I gaurantee you that women don't want a man who will hate them for just being women and live only to bone and discard them. There are so many women out there that are the opposite of that horrible ***** you think all women are. The world is full of girls that are compassionate, kind, caring, and loyal. These aren't the kind of girls you'll find trying to claw their way up the social VIP ladder dating millionaire doctors for the plastic surgery they can get, and that's not an observation of looks it's one of character. I know very few women who I can say are the type I see myself marrying, but they're out there. Attractive women are not all wh0res.

You see girls really aren't as different from guys as so many guys want to believe. Yeah, we're not the same. That's obvious. But, contrary to popular belief, we really are from the same planet. I swear by most people's measure on this board chimpanzees have more in common with men than women do. They're not aliens for chrissake. They're home sapiens, female gender. Different? Slightly. They think more like us than we'll admit.

Yes women tend to be more emotional and men tend to be more rational, but that's a gender bias created by hormones and it's all a sliding scale. There is no 100% rational man, and there is no 100% emotional woman. Everybody has different levels of each, with most men on the rational end and most women on the emotional end. If you want proof that not all men are rational, just look at the posts on this site. I know a lot of guys here are more emotional and irrational than any of my ex-girlfriends.

So what makes a woman so unqualified as a companion? Is it so hard to enjoy a night out with an attractive and sweet girl who dotes over you and will defend you to a fault? Can't laugh at a movie with a girl who shares your sense of humor, or share a favorite restaurant with a girl your close to? There's a lot of dull spots in the week where a good chick fits quite nicely. And I'm telling you this is a much better use of your access to the opposite sex than the tireless pursuit of empty sex. Sex with women you don't care about fullfills a physical need, but your need for intimacy will never be satisfied in the bedroom alone.

Master Don Juans do not think like you do about women. In fact, a master Don Juan would be careful not to think about anything in such a negative way. There are some really cool chicks out there, and you're really missing out by labelling them all as worthless. Keep foolin around with worthless girls, and you'll easily believe your own bias. Why don't you try breaking out of it for once and actually go out looking for some girls with traits you like instead of just throwing a net of disdain over 51% of the human population.

 

[KillingTime]

That's one thing that always stuck out in my mind... you've got this whole "DJ BIBLE" preaching about how we shouldn't let women be our entire lives, they should enhance our already fullfiling lives etc.

Yet you've got an entire section of forums here with posts about NOTHING but how to get women. It's like most people end up back in the exact same boat, they start off as an "AFC" who is completely obsessed with women and then they end up as a "DJ" who is still COMPLETELY obsessed with women... only difference is, this time he can get them, but his world STILL revolves around women.

Hell I'm sure I do it too so I'm not here to point fingers, but it's still interesting to note how we really end up back where we started, only much more improved and refined.

 

[Blackdragon5095]

DonJuanForever, what you are going through is (hopefully) a stage, one of disillusionment and exaggerated negativity towards women. When you completely reject the possibility of a woman as a companion, what you are doing is building a defense mechanism. You might not realize it, but somewhere internally you've adopted the belief that you have to think of women as good-for-nothing-but-sex in order to actually obtain them. Of course you're not going to want something that you've actually talked yourself out of enjoying.

But seriously what kind of MAN doesn't like WOMEN? It's the classic pursuit. Men have wanted women for as long as they've wanted food and water, since before trucks, football, and even beer. The perfect compliment to a great man is a great woman, somebody who he can care for besides himself and give him companionship for whenever he needs it. This truly is a pursuit worthy much more than just sex. You can have sex and more, if you want it. If you don't, you're going to wind up a bitter, rich old man.

Truly women are not all that bad. I've met some really great girls in my day, some that I still think about to this day as ones that set the standard for who I'll date in the future. Sure, there are a lot of shallow, insecure, self-centered disloyal *****es out there. There's probably a lot of men like that too. Hell, with that mindset on women, you're probably one of them. Pook and Anti-Dump preached that you must become the great catch, that man every girl wants. Well I gaurantee you that women don't want a man who will hate them for just being women and live only to bone and discard them. There are so many women out there that are the opposite of that horrible ***** you think all women are. The world is full of girls that are compassionate, kind, caring, and loyal. These aren't the kind of girls you'll find trying to claw their way up the social VIP ladder dating millionaire doctors for the plastic surgery they can get, and that's not an observation of looks it's one of character. I know very few women who I can say are the type I see myself marrying, but they're out there. Attractive women are not all wh0res.

You see girls really aren't as different from guys as so many guys want to believe. Yeah, we're not the same. That's obvious. But, contrary to popular belief, we really are from the same planet. I swear by most people's measure on this board chimpanzees have more in common with men than women do. They're not aliens for chrissake. They're home sapiens, female gender. Different? Slightly. They think more like us than we'll admit.

Yes women tend to be more emotional and men tend to be more rational, but that's a gender bias created by hormones and it's all a sliding scale. There is no 100% rational man, and there is no 100% woman. Everybody has different levels of each, with most men on the rational end and most women on the emotional end. If you want proof that not all men are rational, just look at the posts on this site. I know a lot of guys here are more emotional and irrational than any of my ex-girlfriends.

So what makes a woman so unqualified as a companion? Is it so hard to enjoy a night out with an attractive and sweet girl who dotes over you and will defend you to a fault? Can't laugh at a movie with a girl who shares your sense of humor, or share a favorite restaurant with a girl your close to? There's a lot of dull spots in the week where a good chick fits quite nicely. And I'm telling you this is a much better use of your access to the opposite sex than the tireless pursuit of empty sex. Sex with women you don't care about fullfills a physical need, but your need for intimacy will never be satisfied in the bedroom alone.

Master Don Juans do not think like you do about women. In fact, a master Don Juan would be careful not to think about anything in such a negative way. There are some really cool chicks out there, and you're really missing out by labelling them all as worthless. Keep foolin around with worthless girls, and you'll easily believe your own bias. Why don't you try breaking out of it for once and actually go out looking for some girls with traits you like instead of just throwing a net of disdain over 51% of the human population.

I 100% agree. I feel that too many men put their life on women. We got some people doing appoarch journals but others are too afaid why ? Because they put too much on women. Your life isn't about getting women it's about other things. When guys say they have no use for women but to use them as sex toys, thats like a gold digger saying Men are no good but for money.

Many men have been hurt by women many times in their life. So have I, I sure don't like getting rejected but the more I appoarch the more I get used to it. In 1 of pook's posts he summoned up a Dj and asked him a question. What do you do when a girl gets mad at you. The DJ laughed. The nice guy was shocked.

A real dj dosen't let people get to him. Not women or men.

For the bad women part. Yes their are many bad women out their. I got 1 on my job who play mind games on me trying to grab my attention all the time. But do I go around saying I hate her or I hope she gets killed ?? No. 1 day she will realize what she is doing is wrong and should go on her way. Quit those silly mind games.It's sad that many women are spoiled due to femenism.

Last point.

Life is a gaint puzzle it all makes sense at the end. Mother nature as made men and women to be together. The problem is men are no longer acting like men and women are not longer acting like women.

Real men follow their dreams and fight anything in the path that tires to stop them from their to their dreams. Because if I didn't have a dream................ I wouldn't have a reason to live.

Real women, don't try to use you for buying drinks, or money. Real women test men to see if he is real and not fake. Not give $h!t tests to mess with your head. Or do f*** buddy because she only thinks your good for sex thats it. They also have dreams too.

Our problem in this world is the word real is starting to fade out. Maybe 1 day the word real won't even exist.

 

[OceanWindRider]

BrotherAP, that's a very insightful, wise and motivational post!!!
I am amazed - I have rarely read here something like this!

 

[donjoe]

Dude with that kind of thinking you will end up prison.You wanna know why?Because most rapist and serial killers think like you.They think women are only good for sex so they rape them and even kill them.Because they see women as nothing but sex toys,how would you like it if someguy only saw your mom just as a sexy toy?You would not like that,and what if your in the position where women are just using as a sex toy.You got a very bad mindset if a women were to read what you posted, she would slap you or never talk to you or have sex with you again.Dont you know that every human being as feelings.What if a women was using a rich guy only for money so he can buy her clothes.Thats what your saying man let that mindframe go or else you will end up in someplace you dont want to be.In matter of fact when your in 40's you will need a women just one women for love to sit and have a family.Trust me about this one :moon: lol

^^a lot of trolls/*****es on here today....

 

[donjoe]

You have a stupid mindset your not a don juan,your a ****en evil rapist who will commit horrible crimes again females jsut because you only discovered them as sex objects,remeber how would you like it if someguy or guys only saw your mother as a sex object?Huh your pathetic man your not a real man your a boy who isnt going to succeed in life.

^^who let the troll out :crackup:

 

[OceanWindRider]

donjoe, and who's feeding them?? )

 

[Socialreject]

DJ4ever...

I can relate to what you are feeling... i'm there, in a way, and i've been there for quite some time. It comes and goes.

The problem is, you are angry and disappointed. This is one of those moments in life where you 'roll with the punches'. I'm sure you know the concept, it comes up in every aspect of life from time to time...

It's not really about a losing streak or bad luck. it's more about your mindset failing you. It's a little taste of defeat just when we thought we had the world by it's balls. But don't worry about it too much, or try to fight it. The truth is, a man needs these kind of moments to grow and come to new insights, to keep us human and humble.

There were times i felt larger than life, i could anything, i was 100% sure of it, not a doubt in my mind. But i still know defeat and disappointment and sometimes a lot of it and it pisses me off! But i've come to understand that i need these moments to grow. You have to beat this, learn from it and don't let it drag you down or go in to extremes.

What's really happening is a result of a conclusion you have drawn from the experiences you have had, coupled with the ignorance you still have about things you have not yet experienced. You are right, women, most women are shallow, disloyal and frankly just boring. At this point, i've come to the conclusion that there are more sh!t women than sh!t men, but i also have a couple theories that might explain that... Like men tend to lean more towards active and rational, while women lead more towards passive and emotional. Men's combination are more likely to lead to insights and personal growth... but it's just a theorie at this point ;-)

The point is, don't go in to extremes. You haven't found the really good women yet, that much is clear. Neither have i, well correction... i think i've found ONE so far and my friend ran off with her (bastard ). And this is the one and only woman at this point who i consider a true friend. So they ARE out there, they are just rare very very rare. I won't say they are more rare than the DJ, but they are definitely rare.

Right now i'm at a point in my life where i'm a tad fed up with women myself. Like you i've come to think of most of them as 'boring'... i still have a sexdrive so they still serve a purpose in my life, but i'm definitely at a 'low' right now. Right now i'm just in an 'angry' phase, i'm not fighting it, i'm just riding it out... i'm working out LOADS, doing all kinds of sports and activities, taking vacations with good male friends where i have every intention of pushing any and everything as far as it'll float. Tbh i think my testosteron is reaching an all time high with all the pushing, working out and angry mindset i'm going through atm... But it doesn't matter, i'm rolling with it, riding it out AND i'm having a good time in the meantime (very good) with friends just being 'guys' and doing lot's of active guy stuff. Right now women are a minor part of my life... i still sarge, still game them etc, but less so. I'm definitely very 'picky' right now when it comes to women.

It's a phase, ride it out, enjoy it as much as you can. Don't worry about being less interested in women for a while. But don't focus so much on the negative... be an optimist! Always! All you need is a couple of fun chicks to give you some good examples and you will be back on track. You shouldn't see this as 'final', there is no such thing, there is always more to learn and experience... like i said... roll with the punches! And just keep rolling...

Where are the great ones? Who knows? Maybe they wen't in to a phase of their lives where they were no longer interested in this board. They gave a lot of good advice, they did their part for this community! Perhaps they quite simply moved on.

I think ultimatly, all of those here who actually 'get it' WILL leave these boards and generally 'disappear' from the scene. It doesn't mean they aren't still out there, still sarging, still living life and kicking arse. It just means they moved to a point where they were no longer interested in this community and felt they gave all the advice they could give to a bunch of 'rookies'. Let's face it, when you get to that level, some insights are too 'deep' to share with those who are still growing.

I'm pretty sure that Pook is out there, kicking ass. Maybe he found his dream woman and is just living life and enjoying her. Maybe he found a new calling and doesn't really have time for boards anymore. Who can tell? I don't think there is a grim reaper at the end of this road... i think this is just part of a road with lots more to traveling left to do.

I don't think there is anyone here who actually 'get's it' and can honestly say he learned nothing here and from the bible. I know i learned lot's and i still am learning. Learning is progress! Ultimatly we are all just looking for happiness, purpose and satisfaction. This is why there are these kind of boards and that's where you're focus should always lie. If you sidetrack and become consumed by anything along the way you stop growing and get stuck at one spot. If you stick around here forever and ever just to get a tad better with women and add 100 more to your bang list you have definitly fallen victim to being consumed by picking up chicks ;-).

Ultimatly we move on, it's inevitable.

 

[donjoe]

donjoe, and who's feeding them?? )

you tell me

dont sympathize with the troll, starve them to extinction...

 

[jancarlo000]

we want women because we need them - we need them to pass our genes - we need them to bring us comfort - cook for us, serve us, love us - we need that special someone.

of course, that will be our mindset once we realize that laying with hundreds of women won't bring us true happiness, but we need to have that kind of mindset too, otherwise, all we would be able to get are *****es and hoes.

just a point though - don't let that mindset be your main one because it would turn one into a wuss. it's a mindset of someone who's dug deep into the reality after carrying a don juan lifestyle.

 

[crumpiteer]

DJing is simply about leading and exercising control over your own sexuality. By doing so, it sets you apart from the AFCs .

AFCs are afraid that if they don't give in to the women they will miss out on some wonderful experience in life that men are obligated to have. AFCs are afraid that if they don't submit to female sexuality (through expensive dinners, dates, being very nice to them), they will branded as gay, weird, etc. The result of this fear is that AFCs either are conquered by female sexuality by being wimpy, or retreat from it only to be defeated again later.

When AFCs think of finding that one special woman for their lives, they do not think about the regimen of boring trips to the groceries, senseless arguments, and unnecessary expenditures... No, they imagine themselves stepping into some romantic scene from a Hollywood movie.

He forgets that many women are just mediocre human beings driven by self-interest. In the end, he sets himself up for frustration, disappointment, failure, shame, and disaster.

DJ techniques, on the other hand, not only helps to bail you out of the above AFC prison, it is going to serve you well in many phases of your life, be it while you are single, in a LTR or married with kids.

Rather than being beggars whining for a scrap of bread, DJ techniques can help you manage your hunger and therefore set terms for when and how much you want to eat.

 

[brucevangeorge]

you tell me

dont sympathize with the troll, starve them to extinction...

I dont think they are trolls as much as ****ed up in the head.

 

[Drum&Bass]

I learned alot from this thread, I am/was becoming bitter ..I think when a guy realizes his value and what he has to offer and knows he's a great person that it should be easy to get a great girl...

the logical thought process is when you work hard at something(yourself) you should theoretically do well and success should come to those that work hard..but I'm learning that no matter how great of a person you are...sometimes you gotta come to terms with the fact that no one may ever notice or care, especially women...

socialreject I thought your post was brilliant

 

[Rebound Material]

good sh!t dood. Love, Romance, "The One", and all that other girly bullsh!t is all crap from society/media that people got conditioned to thus making a country with a majority of AFC's...get out of that mindset and you'll feel like a DJ...no, not a DJ but yes, a MAN.