If another "Jesus" exposed himself publicly...

[taiyuu_otoko]

It certainly didn't sound like sarcasm to me.

That's on you, not me. I'm not responsible for how you choose to interpret my words.

But it's none of my business anyway.

What's none of your business, your untrue assumptions about what I've written? That's a curious thing to say.

If someone wants to hate heathens, it's well within their right to do so, isn't it?

Not sure what this applies to, or what you think this applies to in this thread.

I just think doing so is the opposite of what Christ taught.

So you are asserting knowledge of what Christ taught? (BTW, I thought this was about a person that was kinda sorta like Christ?

Like I mentioned above, that governments are usually responsible for organizing the spiritual masters' teachings into organized religions (and they don't do so without a political agenda),

I don't think that's part of their agenda. Where and how did you come to this conclusion?

I'm wondering if you -- or any other person who considers themselves a "Christian" --

Incorrect assumption. I don't consider myself a Christian.

ever considered that the views and beliefs you alluded to above are what the government wanted the people to accept, and that these views greatly differ from what the truth actually was and is.

What truth? Whose Truth? The hypothetical guy who's LIKE Jesus, but not really Jesus?

I'm confident that if Jesus were alive today, he would barely recognize his teaching in what is known today as common "Christian" belief and practice.

So you're pretty sure then about the mind of God, and how He would interpret things should He return. (BTW, I thought this thread was about a guy LIKE Christ, not Christ himself?)

If any Christian had the opportunity to sit and talk with Jesus today, I have little doubt that they would be quite surprised to discover that most of what they think he taught isn't what he actually taught.

So you not only assume to know the TRUTH of what Jesus taught (even though you said you're not sure too much about the Bible) AND you also know what people today THINK Jesus taught.

That's pretty good! How did you come by such insight?

Yes, I know, now I'm introducing ideas that could lead to religious debate.

That generally happens when you name drop Jesus like you and he are close pals and always finish each other's sentences.

But that's what I did ask. I didn't ask how people would respond if Jesus lived again today.

OK, so we're NOT talking about Jesus then?

I asked how the world would respond if another man came forward and taught truth (like Jesus did), and also performed miracles.

So who's this other man? X-men? Another son of another God? Another son of the same God?

You might want to re-read the OP.

OK, here's the original question:

Whether you believe there was a Jesus or not and whether or not you believe he performed miracles or if miracles are even possible, how do you think the world -- and especially the government -- would respond if another man started teaching the masses how we could unleash our true potential and performed "miracles" most people think are impossible, like levitation, healing "incurable" conditions, producing concrete forms out of the ether, etc.?

That would depend on his intentions. If this guy could do miracles like that, he could easily escape capture any time he wanted. He could vanish and appear any time he wanted. He could do whatever he wanted. If he wanted to be killed by the government to make a point, he'd be killed by the government.

If he wanted to become President, he'd become President.

Or maybe you wanted to put some limitations on his power?

 

[Stagger Lee]

I was raised with religion shoved down my throat, which I was very bitter about in my young adult life. And I'm aware that every now and again, the tiny bit of that bitterness that I haven't yet succeeded in weeding out surfaces.

And I suspect it's the same condition with the atheists you mentioned; their raging and ranting against religion is merely an unresolved compensation for the bitterness they harbor from having had religion shoved down their throats during their formative years.

Maybe if we realized this -- that they're carrying a deep-seated hurt for feeling like they were stripped of their free will early in life -- we'd approach their attitude with less condemnation and more understanding. Who knows.

That's exactly how many feel about liberalism/feminism/progressivism and sometimes atheism shoved down our throats from a very early age-elementary school and children's program and the media. The difference is unlike religious parents or a church, there was no getting away from it as it's everywhere and it doesn't stop at adulthood and when you leave your parents' house. It's been going on nonstop for over 50 years. And at least if you resist religion you might be made to feel guilty but just try to resist progressivism and the consequences can be severe.

 

[Jaylan]

OP, tbh I couldnt see a modern-day "Jesus" being allowed to live past 30. A guy like that would be highly influential and snuffed out quickly by either those who are very powerful, or by a lower class extremist who disliked his views.

Lower class hardliners wont like the idea of a new prophet or potential religious leader, as it may call to question the validity of their personal beliefs. And personally, I find most religions to be filled with contradictions and hypocrisy. But you have to take the good with the bad. Religion does bring some positivity to the world, and give some people a sense of being.

That's exactly how many feel about liberalism/feminism/progressivism and sometimes atheism shoved down our throats from a very early age-elementary school and children's program and the media. The difference is unlike religious parents or a church, there was no getting away from it as it's everywhere and it doesn't stop at adulthood and when you leave your parents' house. It's been going on nonstop for over 50 years. And at least if you resist religion you might be made to feel guilty but just try to resist progressivism and the consequences can be severe.

Do you have to use every thread you post in, as a soapbox for your personal beliefs. I think many people get sick of your derailment attempts. And I would like this thread not to become yet another bickering thread of liberalism vs conservatism.

Everyone on the forum knows your beliefs, how bout directly answering the question the OP asked?

 

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That's exactly how many feel about liberalism/feminism/progressivism and sometimes atheism shoved down our throats from a very early age-elementary school and children's program and the media. The difference is unlike religious parents or a church, there was no getting away from it as it's everywhere and it doesn't stop at adulthood and when you leave your parents' house. It's been going on nonstop for over 50 years. And at least if you resist religion you might be made to feel guilty but just try to resist progressivism and the consequences can be severe.

Nailed it. Growing up I too had overzealous but well meaning Christians try and steer me clear of this Western poz. Big deal. I'm far more pissed off over the suffocating and ultimately poisonous new religion of "progressivism". If I say fvck you to Christianity I'm not going to be marched before a gaggle chocolate cake eating HR hens and lose my livelihood. My family gets to eat and the hivemind continues to accept me and mine. This new religion we practice is far more dangerous and damaging than some quotes by Matthew Mark Luke and John.

 

[Gimple]

@taiyuu_otoko

I'd be happy to respond to your questions. But before I do, I'd ask that you answer this question:

Do you genuinely want to know the answers, or have you designed your questions for the sole purpose of attempting to discredit me?

That's exactly how many feel about liberalism/feminism/progressivism and sometimes atheism shoved down our throats from a very early age-elementary school and children's program and the media. The difference is unlike religious parents or a church, there was no getting away from it as it's everywhere and it doesn't stop at adulthood and when you leave your parents' house. It's been going on nonstop for over 50 years. And at least if you resist religion you might be made to feel guilty but just try to resist progressivism and the consequences can be severe.

Hmmm. Interesting. I grew-up in a conservative Christian community. It's claimed to have the highest rate of traditional family units in Canada, and is a great place to raise a family. Growing up, I felt I got little exposure to things like liberalism, feminism and progressivism, as they didn't seem that prevalent there at the time.

So I think I've "missed out" on experiencing first-hand the realities and results of these movements.

Would you be willing to share some specific experiences or the major qualms you have with them? If you would and it's no short matter, would please start a new thread and refer me to it?

OP, tbh I couldnt see a modern-day "Jesus" being allowed to live past 30. A guy like that would be highly influential and snuffed out quickly by either those who are very powerful, or by a lower class extremist who disliked his views.

What if, though try they might, they couldn't dispose of him? I mean, didn't Harod go to great extremes and practically cause genocide in an attempt to get rid of Jesus as a baby? And yet he failed miserably.

If yet another spiritual master was commissioned to take the message to the world in our age, wouldn't God see to it that he was protected, so long as his purpose went unfulfilled?

Lower class hardliners wont like the idea of a new prophet or potential religious leader, as it may call to question the validity of their personal beliefs. And personally, I find most religions to be filled with contradictions and hypocrisy. But you have to take the good with the bad. Religion does bring some positivity to the world, and give some people a sense of being.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Gimple]

There's a big difference between spiritual master and a messenger with miracle wielding powers sent by God.

What would you say is the difference between a spiritual master and a messenger with miracle wielding power?

So the answer now becomes whatever God wills.

Just because God wills something, does that mean that people can't choose to respond to it in different ways?

 

[user43770]

Before we go any further, Gimple is going to need everyone to lie down on a couch.

 

[Gimple]

Anyone can be a spiritual master. Ghandi or the Dalai Lama could arguably be put in this category.

A messenger from the sky curing cancer with his bare hands and defying the laws of physics is not the same thing.

We have different ideas of what a spiritual master and a messenger with miraculous powers are.

God's will and "choice" are a contradiction.

If God wills something then how you choose to respond to it is exactly how you were always going to respond to it. There is no different way.

I don't see how God having desires prevents me from having a will.

Care to elaborate further?

 

[Stagger Lee]

OP, tbh I couldnt see a modern-day "Jesus" being allowed to live past 30. A guy like that would be highly influential and snuffed out quickly by either those who are very powerful, or by a lower class extremist who disliked his views.

Lower class hardliners wont like the idea of a new prophet or potential religious leader, as it may call to question the validity of their personal beliefs. And personally, I find most religions to be filled with contradictions and hypocrisy. But you have to take the good with the bad. Religion does bring some positivity to the world, and give some people a sense of being.


Do you have to use every thread you post in, as a soapbox for your personal beliefs. I think many people get sick of your derailment attempts. And I would like this thread not to become yet another bickering thread of liberalism vs conservatism.

Everyone on the forum knows your beliefs, how bout directly answering the question the OP asked?

Hey pot calling the kettle black you're the one putting your liberal beliefs in every thread you post in. You even did it in this very post. Gimple made a broad claim that people are rebelling religion being shoved down their throat. That is very rare nowadays. But plenty of other beliefs that are shoved down are throats and backed up by the government is common now. We've answered the questions OP poses 7 ways till Sunday but he seems to dismiss everything that doesn't fit his vague point here.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

@taiyuu_otoko

I'd be happy to respond to your questions. But before I do, I'd ask that you answer this question:

Do you genuinely want to know the answers,

Your thread started as a question, to which I responded, in my most recent post in this thread. How or if you respond is up to you.

or have you designed your questions for the sole purpose of attempting to discredit me?

No, I have not.

 

[Gimple]

How or if you respond is up to you.

I asked if you genuinely wanted to know the answers to the questions you asked me. However, I got neither a "Yes" or a "No."

If you give me a "Yes," I'll answer them. And if I get no response or a "No," I won't.

 

[Gimple]

I know no one asked me, but I thought I'd share my answer to my own questions:

I suspect that if a spiritual master were to take his message to the world, the government would be well aware of it before he was even born (thanks to the soothsayers or "remote viewers" or what have you on their payroll); they would know who he is, what he is (or would become), and where he is.

Instead of killing him, they would secretly control his environment and monitor his movements very closely from birth. They would ensure it was impossible for him to accumulate resources (money or position). They may even try to manipulate the functioning of his mind and body, in hopes of rendering him completely useless. And they certainly would do everything within their power to bar his way and prevent him from developing and unfolding his psychical and spiritual powers and capacities.

And if or when this master discovered what was happening to him, and if he protested even slightly, the government would make him look "crazy" to everyone who knew him (and maybe even try to convince himself of that illusion).

In short, the government would do everything in their power to see to it that he went through his entire life and died a "no one, from no where."

 

[Stagger Lee]

I know no one asked me, but I thought I'd share my answer to my own questions:

I suspect that if a spiritual master were to take his message to the world, the government would be well aware of it before he was even born (thanks to the soothsayers or "remote viewers" or what have you on their payroll); they would know who he is, what he is (or would become), and where he is.

Instead of killing him, they would secretly control his environment and monitor his movements very closely from birth. They would ensure it was impossible for him to accumulate resources (money or position). They may even try to manipulate the functioning of his mind and body, in hopes of rendering him completely useless. And they certainly would do everything within their power to bar his way and prevent him from developing and unfolding his psychical and spiritual powers and capacities.

And if or when this master discovered what was happening to him, and if he protested even slightly, the government would make him look "crazy" to everyone who knew him (and maybe even try to convince himself of that illusion).

In short, the government would do everything in their power to see to it that he went through his entire life and died a "no one, from no where."

You know that sounds EXACTLY like how it is for the average guy in America who thinks for himself. Today you have to watch everything you say, discard your own beliefs and principles and kiss butt from elementary school to retirement. These people who are not willing or able have to become skilled tradesmen or work in obscurity in the private sector to make it by. The liberal/progressive establishment is like the pharisees and sadducees and permeate most areas of society looking for any heretic.

 

[Gimple]

You know that sounds EXACTLY like how it is for the average guy in America who thinks for himself. Today you have to watch everything you say, discard your own beliefs and principles and kiss butt from elementary school to retirement. These people who are not willing or able have to become skilled tradesmen or work in obscurity in the private sector to make it by. The liberal/progressive establishment is like the pharisees and sadducees and permeate most areas of society looking for any heretic.

Hmmm. Very interesting.

I think it's time we changed that.