If a girl's not attracted to you, do you have no chance?

[luv_ya_amj]

Hehe...

Looks to me like us girls are just way more compassionate and caring enough to stick with you average / below average guys...

Awwwww...poor babies...

 

[-HPNOTIQ-]

MRomeo99 and LIfeforce both have a good discussion on this topic...no flaming..both show respect to differing ideas..THATS what this forum is about.

IMO...I think all the DJing a man does doesnt mean much if the woman has no IL in you...if the IL isn't high enough..forget about it.

Now..does Looks equate to high interest level??

Generally, and INITIALLY, I believe it does.

I dont need to read a PhD's research on men/women relationships that are most likely outdated research.

The first thing a man or a woman will generally be attracted to are the physcial aspects of a person. Maybe its looks..height..body weight..skin tone..regardless..we are all INITIALLY attracted to eye candy.

Don't give me examples of ugly movie or rockstars who game tons of women...that whole example is a wash due to the fame and money these guys generate.

Bring Brad Pitt and Billy Bob Thorton without the fame, money, or notoriety one on one in any night club in America...and based on looks alone...I'd put the deed to my house that Brad Pitt gets the chicks on the Cold P/U 99.9% of the time.

So..when it comes to looks...it all depends on your approach of a woman. A guy with good looks and a great body will have better chances on a COLD P/U vs. the guy with average or below average looks. Are looks the be all end all? NO!

Of course, we've all seen the ugly guy dating the hot woman. But ask that fella..how the heck did you meet that girl?? I'll guarantee you that it wasn't through a cold pickup at a bar or a night club. I'll wager most of those knew the girl from work, school, or some other area where their social behavior was inevitable.

The average looking guy MUST accentuate the qualities of the DJ more in order to get high IL with women. He has to be more fluid in his game...more fluid in his DJ C/F...more fluid in his masculinity..the average guy MUST do more to achieve that high IL to get the girl. The average guy must also understand his social situation and the context of meeting the woman. Cold p/u will be harder. An easier situation to p/u the HB would be school, work, social club (salsa dancing class), etc.

 

[Lifeforce]

good post -hpnotiq-

Romeo, we have different opinions, in the end it doesn't matter becasue it is what's out there that's matter. Maybe we both are wrong, maybe there is a truth to both our statements or maybe we are discussing different things. So without flaming your opinion:

Which studies are you talking about? Do you have a link for me to read?

How is masculinity shown?

The reason for me believing the maleness part is so important is the recent change I have experienced. Bear in mind I started out a long time ago and tried to learn stuff. I had very little if any response on how I looked, no one checked me out. And then I dressed up nice but still girls didn't look that much. I did work on my other qualities too and overcoming them but I did not get any good response at all. People would be uninterested and it was a pain in the ass to get women. Yes There is a possiblility to get women even if you do not look good, but not very attractive ones.

Then something happenend, I bulked and is bulking, and now I have these girls I could never ever believe would find interest in me looking at me. At first I was uncomortable with bad body language, but they still looked. Women do IMO find you attractive even if you have bad body language the same way we would find a HB attractive even if she didn't have the best body language. Anyways, bulking up is a way better thing than all the stuff I tried before. It works, and through this little transformation and the changes I have noticed I am sure women are as looks oriented as we are. I am sorry to say so but that's my opinion and it will not change until I am proven wrong in real life.


bobbob. You are in the exact same position I was before, I was all pumped up on this DJ stuff but I lacked looks wise and therefore I had little success. At least try it out, go over and read DIESEL's guide on cutting if you are overweight and the bulking guide for how to train. Try it out. There's a reason pook write a post "What every skinny guy should know".

 

[Bonhomme]

No attraction = no chance

But ... you can change yourself in ways to become more attractive.

That's where David D'Angelo's right on. His stuff is about attraction, and that's where it's at.

Lifeforce and Pook are right on about getting in shape, bulking up (if you're skinny), and how it affects attraction.

Get rid of a "low status" AFC attitude and appearance, and cultivate a "high status" aura, and you will find more gals get attracted to you... even some who formerly were not.