"I'd let Chris Brown beat me any day!"

[Lexington]

some of you seriously need to get a real life. beating a woman is not alpha in the least bit. i can bench press damn near 300 pounds i'd snap my wife in half if i got pissed enough. what's the point?

i'm all for alphaness and **** but that's not cool at all man. i'm not down with beating women. an "alpha" doesn't let a woman get under his skin in the first place to the point to where he has to hit her.

I can't speak for others but I said that beating women isn't alpha. HOWEVER beating a person is a means of exerting dominance over another. Women are attracted to dominant men. The archetypical female romance fantasy is being swept off her feet by Prince Charming....you'll notice it's totally passive.

CB beating Rihanna is a scumbag thing to do. But you'll notice that she was reluctant to leave him and if these rumors are true, it seems that they are getting back together. Whether it's good or bad, I think the explanation for this is that she is attracted to his dominance, which was partially manifested through his beatings.

 

[Lexington]

Actually it is.

Not just the beating, the beating ANDDDD the bank account AND the status

these three things TOGETHER is alpha+...chris brown is not the brad pitt puppydog toothless star, he's the brad pitt with a pitt bull temper (sorry couldn't resist) who has a major record deal and massive radio play.

Lesson: women secretly love to feel a strong pimp hand...BUT ONLY if you are rich and successful..so only beat a women IF you happen to be a superstar, otherwise you are fvcked...Bobby beat Whitney but he was a star in decline..this is no good.

A...CAVEAT...WOMEN WILL NEVER ADMIT THIS...AND WILL ARGUE THE OPPOSITE TIL THE END OF TIME

Actually it doesn't only work with rich men. Domestic abuse occurs in all socioeconomic statuses although it is more common in poorer households. The pattern is always the same though.

The guy beats up a woman and yet she feels guilty. She justifies his actions even though he may be a total douche. Later, they have a "honeymoon" phase where everything seems great. But then tension builds and the cycle starts again. This can often happen for years and women don't even report it.

In fact, when counseling a woman about suspected domestic abuse, doctors, nurses etc. are trained to tread with extreme caution. Because the woman is so enthralled by her man, criticizing him even a little can drive her away. One doesn't even ask directly if the woman's husband is beating her. You ask indirectly with questions like "do you feel safe at home?"

Again, it's funny isn't it? Women will go to great lengths to justify guys who bust them up. But a guy who puts them on a pedestal can never do anything right!

 

[nismo-4]

Read the posts by Lexington and Burroughs and Rollo again and again and again!!! It sums up it all!

It all goes to the concept of "Screw the rules, I have money!"

 

[sstype]

Actually it doesn't only work with rich men. Domestic abuse occurs in all socioeconomic statuses although it is more common in poorer households. The pattern is always the same though.

The guy beats up a woman and yet she feels guilty. She justifies his actions even though he may be a total douche. Later, they have a "honeymoon" phase where everything seems great. But then tension builds and the cycle starts again. This can often happen for years and women don't even report it.

In fact, when counseling a woman about suspected domestic abuse, doctors, nurses etc. are trained to tread with extreme caution. Because the woman is so enthralled by her man, criticizing him even a little can drive her away. One doesn't even ask directly if the woman's husband is beating her. You ask indirectly with questions like "do you feel safe at home?"

Again, it's funny isn't it? Women will go to great lengths to justify guys who bust them up. But a guy who puts them on a pedestal can never do anything right!

When women love us, they forgive us everything, even our crimes; when they do not love us, they give us credit for nothing, not even our virtues.

-Honore De Balzac

 

[zekko]

When women love us, they forgive us everything, even our crimes; when they do not love us, they give us credit for nothing, not even our virtues.

-Honore De Balzac

Nice saying, very true.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

http://donlak.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/girls-just-love-their-dangerous-alphas/

Alpha is as Alpha does. Chris Brown is just one example among a much greater whole. Andres Brevik was getting solicitations for conjugal visits from anonymous women within a week of his mass killings in Norway.

As hard as men try to paint nobility on Alpha, hypergamy proves the lie over and over and over again.

 

[Burroughs]

Any guy who doesn't understand this is in for a life of misery and confusion...seeing how that is how 99% of men are they clearly don't get it.

First of all: DON'T THINK THAT JUUUUSSSSST BECAUSE YOU BEAT UP A CHICK SHE WILL DIG YOU ..no that will just LAND YOU IN JAIL....SO DON'T DO IT..

Now AFC disclaimer aside, if you are that truly alpha+++ dude, super famous, ****y, wealthy, handsome, and arrogant you can do whatever the fvck you want including sh!t, piss, kick, humiliate, slap, and cawk choke...and THE RIGHT 10+ HOTTIE will like it.

notice I said the right 10+...this is a very small group. You will only find them in the most exclusive nightclubs in Paris, London, LA, New York, Dubai, Zurich etc.

This physical sh!t WILL NOT work on women hb 9,8,7,6... or below....it will land you in jail.

so don't do it

NOW TO BE CLEAR: I'm not saying that men SHOULD LIKE smacking their women around...

what i'm saying is that secretly...MANY WOMEN LUST FOR IT..

but here's the thing..if you're not a 10+++ guy you CANT DO IT...

from rollo's article: See feminism fails women in all fronts, they cuss and stomp their feet about everything under the sun, they claim that freeing women and allowing them to be sluts are going to solve all the problems of suffrage, that women are capable of making rational and smart decisions. These prime examples shows you and them the contrary. Girls with out any social shaming or consequences to their action show their true colors as often as they can, much to the chagrin of those feminazis who are trying to spread their gender neutral bull**** left and right. Men and women are not attracted to the same thing, and girls love them some dangerous alpha men. It sends their vagina’s into overdrive, the thoughts of his rough sex making and thug **** over rides any sense of sensibility… some of these girls would no doubt throw their own babies out the window just for a taste of the dangerous alpha’s ****.

 

[iqqi]

F#cked up in the head women come in all forms and at all levels of life.

These are also the types who need that drama like medicine. It's like a crackhead. Just because she is getting crack from you doesn't make you alpha. She is addicted to something that is destroying her. Same as a woman who is addicted to abuse. If she can't get YOU to beat her a$$ better believe she will find someone who will. Does this mean you need to "man up" and beat her a$$? Lol. ???

To use any example of a woman beater and his hot chick who stays by his side as proof that women love a "dominate" woman-hitting lunatic is silly. Everyone has their personal beliefs, and mine is that any man who feels the need for any reason to beat the sh!t out of a woman is a total loser and castrated in my eyes.

 

[zekko]

Now AFC disclaimer aside, if you are that truly alpha+++ dude, super famous, ****y, wealthy, handsome, and arrogant you can do whatever the fvck you want including sh!t, piss, kick, humiliate, slap, and cawk choke...and THE RIGHT 10+ HOTTIE will like it.

notice I said the right 10+...this is a very small group.

Yeah, I don't think the way to woman's heart is to beat her. It's just that certain guys can get away with this, with certain girls. Chris Brown has a true alpha position, he's rich, famous, and good looking. Girls may put up with some abuse from him because of it, but even if they do, I doubt that they will forever.

In other words, it's not the abuse that is making him alpha.

F#cked up in the head women come in all forms and at all levels of life.

I agree with this, and I think here is the explanation for the girls wanting guys on death row. The vast, vast majority of women are not going to be trying to pick up men in prison. The ones that do are bat sh!t crazy.

Also, I'm aware of some local stories where women tried to hook up or help guys in prison, and those women were absolute warpig ugly, probably starved for attention. A lot of the time these women were working in the prison as nurses, guards, or social workers. There are a lot of antisocial personalities in prison, and these guys are master manipulators.

As hard as men try to paint nobility on Alpha, hypergamy proves the lie over and over and over again.

Right, I don't think nobility has anything to do with being alpha. Just like nobility has nothing to do with being good looking. One has nothing to do with the other.

 

[iqqi]

Also, I'm aware of some local stories where women tried to hook up or help guys in prison, and those women were absolute warpig ugly, probably starved for attention. A lot of the time these women were working in the prison as nurses, guards, or social workers. There are a lot of antisocial personalities in prison, and these guys are master manipulators.

This is so true, I know a few guys in prison and every time I hear about their new girlfriend that they found on the outside I cringe. Those women are absolutely f'd in the head and usually not very attractive. A very good friend of mine who is serving a 40 year sentence recently mentioned he might be getting married soon. These guys are also starved for attention themselves so they jump on any lunatic (I'm talking the batsh!t crazy women writing them!) willing to take them.

I actually sometimes feel more sorry for the prisoner who marries because when and if he gets out he literally has to sleep in the bed he made. :crazy:

 

[f283000]

some of you seriously need to get a real life. beating a woman is not alpha in the least bit. i can bench press damn near 300 pounds i'd snap my wife in half if i got pissed enough. what's the point?

Of course it isn't HOWEVER it doesn't change the fact that MANY WOMEN think it is!

Many women are aroused by it. Sure a lot of these women have issues but the fact remains to some women getting hit can lead to THE OPPOSITE REACTION of what we think out to be the norm. Rather than be put off by the guy it increases the attractiveness/masculinity of the man in the eyes of the woman. It goes back to the principle of women having it hard-coded in their genes to want an alpha male, a male that will dominate them.

Most cases the man is just a bad guy and will hit a woman without provocation.

Then there are cases where women will push a man to his limits just to see how far she can go before he snaps and to see his reaction.

Sooner or later in life every man will experience this. A heated argument with a woman where she just keeps pushing you to the limit, provoking you to the point where you just cannot stand it anymore. Provoking you to a level where if she was a man you would have been fist-fighting already.

It has always been my impression and from all i have read that there is a subconscious desire in a woman's brain to bring out a raw animalistic reaction out of a man once in a while to show her that he is the dominant one and that he is in charge. It's as if women have it hard-coded in their genes to want be "put in their place" once in a while.

Now don't get me wrong you can always put a woman in her place by winning the argument with logic and reason which is the way things should be, but it doesn't change the notion that some women want to bring out enough rage in a man so that he will hit them, and when he does surprisingly they end up more attracted and more in love with them than before..

 

[iqqi]

If you meet a woman who you think is the type that wants you to hit her and show her "who da man", and you become that for her, then it's because of one of two reasons:

1. You were that way to begin. You are an abusive individual and probably a bully who loves to inflict pain on those weaker than you physically.

2. You are a beta, who let's a woman lead. You let her define who YOU are rather than the other way around. As a man, shouldn't you be leading a woman into YOUR world, on your terms?

Back to the original poster's subject matter, I think Chris Brown was #2. A "beta". A BEEYOTCH.

 

[typical]

If you meet a woman who you think is the type that wants you to hit her and show her "who da man", and you become that for her, then it's because of one of two reasons:

1. You were that way to begin. You are an abusive individual and probably a bully who loves to inflict pain on those weaker than you physically.

2. You are a beta, who let's a woman lead. You let her define who YOU are rather than the other way around. As a man, shouldn't you be leading a woman into YOUR world, on your terms?

Back to the original poster's subject matter, I think Chris Brown was #2. A "beta". A BEEYOTCH.

Honestly Iqqi you should really QFT, we aren't talking about the virtues or merits of woman beating get that into your head.

We are talking about women being attracted to "masculine dominance", and this dominance can come in any shape or form aslong as a man is able to "show" his dominance over others all women will fawn over him.

You can argue against this all day but we see it every day with every woman, they all overtly or covertly love the guy that has the ability to show dominance over others.

 

[zekko]

We are talking about women being attracted to "masculine dominance", and this dominance can come in any shape or form aslong as a man is able to "show" his dominance over others all women will fawn over him.

That implies the women are attracted to the guy because he beats on her. I would disagree. I think that women are attracted to a guy in spite of him beating on her. They put up with it because they are attracted to him - Chris Brown has plenty of attraction factors (rich, famous, good looking). He doesn't need to beat on women to get attraction. Guys tend to beat on women because they lose control.

As I said in another thread, I know of women who stayed decades with men who molested her children. I don't think the child molesting was the attraction factor.

Now, some women do like being beaten as part of a sex act, but that's a seperate issue IMO.

 

[iqqi]

That implies the women are attracted to the guy because he beats on her. I would disagree. I think that women are attracted to a guy in spite of him beating on her. They put up with it because they are attracted to him - Chris Brown has plenty of attraction factors (rich, famous, good looking). He doesn't need to beat on women to get attraction. Guys tend to beat on women because they lose control.

This is true, and why you hear so many people saying "well she stayed with him so she must secretly admire his a$s-beating ways!", when in truth the woman was just dumb in love. Fortunately in a lot of cases, the woman finally sees the light, that this man is not going to change, and that she can't change him. Same as someone who has been cheated on and does not leave immediately.

But there ARE women who want to get hit. These women are severely F'd in the head. I was pretty good friends with one of these types, and when I seen her in action it was a shock to see. This woman really was literally driving her BF to hit her, and then rewarding him for doing it. I was like wtf??

 

[Fishbone]

Answer
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17008

 

[Lexington]

Let's be very clear here. I'm not saying that beating women is Alpha. But in certain cases, it is a manifestation of Alpha status over a particular female. It still goes to show that women prefer strong, dominant types.

Yes, most leading types don't beat their women. They show their "Alphaness" with confidence in their actions, by being decisive, taking charge of situations etc. BUT there are some guys who exhibit some or all of these traits and also beat their women.

I don't think you'll find any AFC wife beaters. That a guy feels justified in hitting a woman shows the dynamic of the relationship. He feels completely comfortable in exerting physical domination. This would not happen unless he also exercises emotional dominance.

Obviously, not all women will stand for this behavior. But a surprisingly large percentage of women do tolerate and justify physical abuse. Even well educated, productive members of society.....we're not just talking about trailer trash/ghetto types here.

I know a girl who is going into a psychiatry residency in a few months who used to tolerate beatings from her boyfriend. There were visible bruises on her. We're talking about a very high achieving, successful, intelligent girl here (a freakin' future psychiatrist!). He kept dumping her, but she kept going back to him even though she had other options.

 

[zekko]

I don't think you'll find any AFC wife beaters. That a guy feels justified in hitting a woman shows the dynamic of the relationship. He feels completely comfortable in exerting physical domination. This would not happen unless he also exercises emotional dominance.

I have to disagree with this. I think a lot of men beat women because they are insecure, jealous, controlling types. A lot of them lose control and lash out in frustration (the F in AFC). Then they say "oh baby, I'm sorry, it won't happen again". And then he gets angry again by some perceived slight, and the pattern repeats itself.

While I'm sure many men who beat women are alpha types, I wouldn't be surprised at all if most were actually AFCs.

 

[Lexington]

I have to disagree with this. I think a lot of men beat women because they are insecure, jealous, controlling types. A lot of them lose control and lash out in frustration (the F in AFC). Then they say "oh baby, I'm sorry, it won't happen again". And then he gets angry again by some perceived slight, and the pattern repeats itself.

While I'm sure many men who beat women are alpha types, I wouldn't be surprised at all if most were actually AFCs.

The typical profile of a wife beater is that of an overbearing husband. He completely dominates the woman. We're not talking about the stereotypical fawning nice guy here. This is a guy who is used to having his way.

Again, beating your wife doesn't make you an Alpha male. But it is a manifestation of dominance over the woman. A wife beater could be the biggest pvssy in the real world, but he holds power over the woman.

I'm in no way advocating emotional or physical abuse. But it is an extreme example of the power that dominant behavior has over many women.