I was told it was hard to get with girls b/c..

[kentgraham10]

There are too many dudes. The male population doesn't decrease because of a lack of major wars, and because of that there is more competition now then in the past. Check this out though:

1. Read on here that something like 60% are virgins until their mid 20s!?!? So we are only really competing with like 40% of the male population (not that virgins aren't trying to get women but they are at a disadvantage, maybe 1 out of every 5 are going to be worthy competition).

2. Homosexuality is becoming more accepted and more men are practicing this. IDK if they are included in the 60% statistic but if that's the case just something to think about. Read that its somewhere around 15% of the male population is Gay.

3. America is the most obese country in the world. The way I see it, even if you are in DECENT shape (skinny fat, slightly overweight), you have a leg up on over 50% of the male population. In Good shape, leg up on 75% and brother, if you are in GREAT shape, you are in the top 10%.

#4. If you have ANY sort of game, you have an advantage over at least 50% of the male population (gotta throw in the guys who are just naturally good with women + men who studied pickup techniques).

What does this mean? If you are one of the 40% of males in the competition, that's the start. Just get yourself out there talking to women. If you aren't gay (nothing wrong with that) then you are getting there that way too. And most importantly, if you are not fat, you have NO EXCUSE! Whether you realize it or not you have a leg up on such a large portion of the population its not even funny. If your scale for women is accurate, you should have no problem pulling 6's but you should realize that you can do much better. If you have no game, reading Pook's post from the DJ Bible would be a great start that will give you a leg up on 50% of the male population.

If you are fat, I shouldn't be the one to tell you to get into shape. Just get it done.

EDIT: Added Number 4

 

[Ringleader41]

but most of those dudes don't have any game

 

[kentgraham10]

Very true, that should be #4. If you have ANY sort of game, you have an advantage over at least 50% of the male population (gotta throw in the guys who are just naturally good with women + men who studied pickup techniques).

 

[Voice]

There are too many dudes. The male population doesn't decrease because of a lack of major wars, and because of that there is more competition now then in the past. Check this out though:

1. Read on here that something like 60% are virgins until their mid 20s!?!? So we are only really competing with like 40% of the male population (not that virgins aren't trying to get women but they are at a disadvantage, maybe 1 out of every 5 are going to be worthy competition).

2. Homosexuality is becoming more accepted and more men are practicing this. IDK if they are included in the 60% statistic but if that's the case just something to think about. Read that its somewhere around 15% of the male population is Gay.

3. America is the most obese country in the world. The way I see it, even if you are in DECENT shape (skinny fat, slightly overweight), you have a leg up on over 50% of the male population. In Good shape, leg up on 75% and brother, if you are in GREAT shape, you are in the top 10%.

#4. If you have ANY sort of game, you have an advantage over at least 50% of the male population (gotta throw in the guys who are just naturally good with women + men who studied pickup techniques).

What does this mean? If you are one of the 40% of males in the competition, that's the start. Just get yourself out there talking to women. If you aren't gay (nothing wrong with that) then you are getting there that way too. And most importantly, if you are not fat, you have NO EXCUSE! Whether you realize it or not you have a leg up on such a large portion of the population its not even funny. If your scale for women is accurate, you should have no problem pulling 6's but you should realize that you can do much better. If you have no game, reading Pook's post from the DJ Bible would be a great start that will give you a leg up on 50% of the male population.

If you are fat, I shouldn't be the one to tell you to get into shape. Just get it done.

EDIT: Added Number 4

I think it's only harder because less females actually go out to clubs/bars. Honestly I can't think of a time in my college career that there were more girls at a house party/bar than guys. Usually the ratio is more like 3 guys to 2 girls. At house/frat parties we try to make things better by demanding a ratio and of course making the guys pay while girls get in for free.

1. I doubt this is true. I don't know where you get these statistics from. Source?

2. The notion that you can choose to be homosexual is false. I never heard of a straight dude change his mind and decide to be gay, as if he was tired of being straight and decided he wanted to try something new just for the hell of it. It just doesn't work that way. 15% may be right, I've seen in textbooks something more like 5-10%.

3. agreed

4. agreed

I agree with your overall message. There's really no excuse for any guy to not be going out talking to females. Once you get over your own fear of failure and your own laziness, the real learning begins. At first it'll be painful and you'll make mistakes but like pook said perfect is boring.

 

[Gamtiwia]

Some good points were raised.

It really highlights that there are few restrictions preventing most guys from going out and chatting up women, there certainly are incentives. There really is no excuse why a relative fit male should be missing out or finding reasons not to play the field (after all you'd think guys who frequent sosuave would have learned a thing or two about the game).

 

[JCballin88]

This sounds pretty good in theory - except:

The average bar/club these days seems to be LOADED with roid-monkeys in affliction shirts who still manage to keep insanely muscular bodies despite partying and drinking like crazy. I've never really understood this.

Now me, I'm 5'11 and an athletic 195lb frame with good muscle, but I don't exactly flaunt it by trying to squirm into men's small shirts. I'll admit that it's pretty easy to get frustrated when seeing these jacked beasts everywhere even though I am in a pretty solid workout routine of my own.

Does anyone else know what I mean?

 

[kentgraham10]

Now me, I'm 5'11 and an athletic 195lb frame with good muscle, but I don't exactly flaunt it by trying to squirm into men's small shirts. I'll admit that it's pretty easy to get frustrated when seeing these jacked beasts everywhere even though I am in a pretty solid workout routine of my own.

That basically describes me except I actually wear a men's small but I think with my body type right now it actually makes sense for me (5'8 165). I hear you on the jacked dudes though, I hate cheaters, but if they are doing it legit more props to them. And you wouldn't happen to live in eastern PA would you?

 

[women haze]

The Social Dynamic has changed

Who runs the world....Girls!

Guys have to work their ass off to look good for competition like a woman had to. Women have a leg up in this market until they turn 30+....

 

[Deicide]

Who runs the world....Girls!

Guys have to work their ass off to look good for competition like a woman had to. Women have a leg up in this market until they turn 30+....

Correct. I know this website isn't big on porn or things of that nature, but just check out Adult Friend Finder sometime. You'll see most women there(even not so attractive ones) get tons of "You're so cute", "Nice ass", etc... from guys they don't even know. Seriously, that site is full of men without game.

 

[Maxtro]

I think the reason that it's so hard to get with women, is that women today are too fucking picky.

It doesn't matter if she's a 6 or a 9, they only want the highest caliber men. And if they can't date him, they'll be happy just being his FWB. The top men are usually having FWB with more than one girl. Which basically takes those girls off the market.

The next issue is that many young women under 30 are perfectly fine being single. They are happy just having their friends and focusing on work or school. They think dating will just get in the way. It's not till they are older that the realize that they want to have a family and kids.

This game is definitely against average dudes who just want to date normal girls.

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

This game is definitely against average dudes who just want to date normal girls.

I think most guys on this website are fixated on non-normal girls.

Normal girls are fairly fickle.
Normal girls are boring.
Normal girls are not in very good shape (just being slightly athletic puts them at a cut above the rest).
Normal girls are of normal intelligence.
Normal girls don't have much of a sense of humor.
Normal girls, just like normal men, dislike their careers and just do it for the $$.
Normal girls don't have a college education (1/4 have a college education).

Normalcy is not what people on this forum seek. They think that their expectations are reasonable, but most of the men on this forum chase after the top 2% of the female population and call that "normal" but what they really mean is moderately attractive, ethically-grounded, and charming. Those three qualities put a woman at the top 2% of the population.

 

[Maxtro]

I'd be perfectly happy with a normal average girl.

The vast majority of young women are cute and have a little fat on them. They aren't fat or skinny. The majority of them are educated, though it really depends on where you live. My college is 60% women. Most girls do have a sense of humor, but they don't tell jokes. They're funny by being goofy and childish. Them being boring isn't a problem because it's the mans job to lead and decide on what activities to do. All she has to do is say yes.

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

Only 1 in 4 people our age has a college degree. The majority of PEOPLE in college are women, but the vast majority of people either never go to college or never graduate.

More power to you if you enjoy a woman with a little cushion for the pushin' but it seems like the notion of an hb8, 9, or 10 is that they are very thin or athletic, and have very little fat on their bodies. Then again, maybe I've projected my own thoughts and just assumed that my standards are equal to others'

 

[Maxtro]

I really have no idea about the college number. So you're probably right about that.

8-10 are the top women, but since I'm no where near that myself, I don't expect that from women. It would be hypocritical of me to demand a girl that has a flat stomach and runs every day.

I just want a girl who is as "good" as I am. I'd also prefer that she be willing to go to the gym with me or go on bikes rides. Just to make sure none of us get fat.

But getting back to a previous point, it really seems that most women want a guy who is better than them. The 6 girl should be happy with a 6 guy, but she wants the 9 and nothing else is good enough for her. So she will happily wait, turning down all the men who are into her.

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

fml I just wrote a 1000+ word response to Maxtro and the OP and somehow I got logged out and lost it all.
fml It's friday night. I'm not going to repost.

 

[Maxtro]

Damn, DR that sucks.

Go out and have fun.

 

[donnyjondeppjuando]

well yeh based on this I coudl easy get hot girls but I lack any kind off game and social life.

Virgin- NO

Fit- Yes, skinny but abs, not fat, not obese, play sports/do gym reguraly

Education- University graduate

Face- boysih good looking?


However,

1. I am very picky and fussy on the girls I want sex with.. I can see 100 girls in street on average day and maybe only 1-5 arouse me. I like cute faces also like girly not womanly this is rare also so makes it harder for me.

2. I dont like pub/clubs or social settings.

3. I dont want to have to date for sex. I just want sex.

So, it still aint easy.

 

[JCballin88]

And you wouldn't happen to live in eastern PA would you?

I'm pretty much smack dab in central PA right now.

 

[kentgraham10]

Oh damn for some reason my friends rarely have any interest in doing anything related to picking up women I guess I just have to meet new people.

 

[Deicide]

well yeh based on this I coudl easy get hot girls but I lack any kind off game and social life.

Virgin- NO

Fit- Yes, skinny but abs, not fat, not obese, play sports/do gym reguraly

Education- University graduate

Face- boysih good looking?


However,

1. I am very picky and fussy on the girls I want sex with.. I can see 100 girls in street on average day and maybe only 1-5 arouse me. I like cute faces also like girly not womanly this is rare also so makes it harder for me.

2. I dont like pub/clubs or social settings.

3. I dont want to have to date for sex. I just want sex.

So, it still aint easy.

You sound like me when I was in high school. Maybe you've been too desensitized by porn? Diversifying yourself by approaching all different types of women is great. Just find out whatever turns you on, and it's more than likely it's not just one thing. Only then, can you start finding what you want. Because being very picky about women doesn't cut it. I'm not saying go after ugly women, but look for the beauty and potential in something that may be less than expectations. And remember, you don't have to settle for anyone! So relax, have fun, and see what happens. From your posts, I'm guessing a dark skinned Asian ie. Thai/Southeast Asian is your preference?