i want life, love and liberty...take your roles and shove them up your arses!

[ShortTimer]

Originally posted by iqqi
i guess you just don't know...

it really isn't that hard/expensive/insane/unrealistic to travel.

Really? Earlier this year I went on a Vegas(babyVegas) trip with about fifteen other people. Because of the group rate we were able to get airfare and rooms for $500 for four nights. Then of course there was the other $500 I brought to spend while in Vegas (I wouldn't let myself gamble). Now I think that was a rather cheap trip, however I don't know about you but $1000 isn't a trivial sum of money to me. Realistically if we had not gotten the group rate things would have cost more, so let's say I would have spent up to $3000 on a Vegas(babyVegas) trip... again maybe that is a trivial sum to you, but it's not to me.

Originally posted by iqqi
and you are blowing it waaaaay out of context here. and i don't want to have to spell it out. i travel by myself. i said that already. not all traveling blows the bank. and you know what else? that was just one thing i mentioned,

Why did I focus on your travel comments? Simple, the rest of your "what I want from a man" portion of your post said nothing. That's right NOTHING as in there-was-no-content. Text was on the screen, words were being used, but no ideas were communicated.

Let's take a sample to see what I mean:

Originally posted by iqqi
i feel like life is a journey. an adventure. take what you can, take what you will, give what you want and what you have.

Could you vague it up for me? In an abstract sense the time between your birth and death could be seen as a journey or adventure, but really this tells me nothing useful. As for all that taking and giving, again it tells me nothing about what you think should be done an ANY concrete terms.

I'll continue:

Originally posted by iqqi
i want to see the world, and become part of it. i want to immerse myself in life, losing myself in it and becoming one with it. that is immortality.

You can lose yourself in opiates pretty well, you may wanna give that a shot.

Ok, seeing the world is a bit more concrete here and that's why I latched on to it. But let's look at the rest: What exactly is "immersing yourself in life" how do you do it and how do you know when you've done it? And in this context what do you mean by "life?" You then talk about "losing yourself" in "it" (I presume the it = life) and become "one with it." Again, what the hell is this supposed to mean? Do you really want to surrender your individuality to something? That's what "losing yourself" in something would entail. The "become one with it" comment seems to mean the same thing as "lose yourself" so I don't know why you wanted to be redundant. What does "immortality" mean to you in this context? Obviously it doesn't mean to literally live forever.

Originally posted by iqqi
hell who doesn't want to travel?

That would be me. I was a Army-brat and saw enough of other places to know that people are the same no matter where you go. All cultures are just variations on a theme, that being the expression of human wants, desires and needs. There's nothing more to it than that. Color me jaded, but nothing surprises me anymore... well almost nothing.

Originally posted by iqqi
i am talking about a man whose priorities and sense of adventure and quest for knowlege match my own. obviously you are not him,

Oh no, I've been cyber-rejected. Check your ego, I never said I wanted to be him.

Originally posted by JustDoItAlways
You have every right to be a princess and live in a world with no consequences where fun and excitement is served up on a silver platter every minute of every day.

The above is exactly what pisses me off about this post. What iqqi has said here is nothing I haven't heard from EVER OTHER FEMALE ON THE PLANET. That old song summed it up best "Girls just wanna have fun" and for them fun would be what JustAlway's post is about. Women have these notions about life, then when they (shock!) aren't met they blame the men and ass-ream their boyfriend/husband and wreck the men's lives thru divorce and what have you.

Henry Higgins' lament of "why can't a woman be more like a man" is dead on target in one respect: men-women relationships would be a lot less painful if most women could learn just a little emotional repression.

 

[ShortyBrown]

Originally posted by ShortTimer
Really? Earlier this year I went on a Vegas(babyVegas) trip with about fifteen other people. Because of the group rate we were able to get airfare and rooms for $500 for four nights. Then of course there was the other $500 I brought to spend while in Vegas (I wouldn't let myself gamble). Now I think that was a rather cheap trip, however I don't know about you but $1000 isn't a trivial sum of money to me. Realistically if we had not gotten the group rate things would have cost more, so let's say I would have spent up to $3000 on a Vegas(babyVegas) trip... again maybe that is a trivial sum to you, but it's not to me.



Why did I focus on your travel comments? Simple, the rest of your "what I want from a man" portion of your post said nothing. That's right NOTHING as in there-was-no-content. Text was on the screen, words were being used, but no ideas were communicated.

Let's take a sample to see what I mean:



Could you vague it up for me? In an abstract sense the time between your birth and death could be seen as a journey or adventure, but really this tells me nothing useful. As for all that taking and giving, again it tells me nothing about what you think should be done an ANY concrete terms.

I'll continue:

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You can lose yourself in opiates pretty well, you may wanna give that a shot.

Ok, seeing the world is a bit more concrete here and that's why I latched on to it. But let's look at the rest: What exactly is "immersing yourself in life" how do you do it and how do you know when you've done it? And in this context what do you mean by "life?" You then talk about "losing yourself" in "it" (I presume the it = life) and become "one with it." Again, what the hell is this supposed to mean? Do you really want to surrender your individuality to something? That's what "losing yourself" in something would entail. The "become one with it" comment seems to mean the same thing as "lose yourself" so I don't know why you wanted to be redundant. What does "immortality" mean to you in this context? Obviously it doesn't mean to literally live forever.



That would be me. I was a Army-brat and saw enough of other places to know that people are the same no matter where you go. All cultures are just variations on a theme, that being the expression of human wants, desires and needs. There's nothing more to it than that. Color me jaded, but nothing surprises me anymore... well almost nothing.



Oh no, I've been cyber-rejected. Check your ego, I never said I wanted to be him.



The above is exactly what pisses me off about this post. What iqqi has said here is nothing I haven't heard from EVER OTHER FEMALE ON THE PLANET. That old song summed it up best "Girls just wanna have fun" and for them fun would be what JustAlway's post is about. Women have these notions about life, then when they (shock!) aren't met they blame the men and ass-ream their boyfriend/husband and wreck the men's lives thru divorce and what have you.

Henry Higgins' lament of "why can't a woman be more like a man" is dead on target in one respect: men-women relationships would be a lot less painful if most women could learn just a little emotional repression. [/B]

Oh Phuck off.

Stop flaming her just because she's a female and she exists outside your realm of females that are only of use as phuck rags. Bitter little troll.

 

[Rahul]

Originally posted by ShortyBrown
Oh Phuck off.

Stop flaming her just because she's a female and she exists outside your realm of females that are only of use as phuck rags. Bitter little troll.

Actually, this sounds like a lot of females that are only of use as "phuck rags". And what you call flaming, I call the application of logic to something that makes utterly no sense.

 

[ShortyBrown]

Originally posted by Rahul
Actually, this sounds like a lot of females that are only of use as "phuck rags". And what you call flaming, I call the application of logic to something that makes utterly no sense.

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by Rahul
Actually, this sounds like a lot of females that are only of use as "phuck rags". And what you call flaming, I call the application of logic to something that makes utterly no sense.

some get it (and they have posted here saying that) and some don't. (and they too are posting).

its all good. let's not have any flame wars here please. i have already extinquished one (thanks crazykid).

BTW, shorttimer, i will respond to your questions when my tylenol kicks in. you are one who does not get it, obviously, and for the sake of understanding i will respond. for the sake of understanding, not argument.

 

[King Rat]

Mmmph.
ha ha AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH<choke>HAHAHAHA!
... whew, this is funny, all the pretty flames. Reminds me of what's been going on in Cali the past few weeks.
One point I think needs to be made. Someone said elsewhere on this site (search it yourself ) that one should have a good idea of the characteristics of their "perfect woman " so you have some idea of what you're looking for without caroming off random psychos. I'm sure that the guys who've made those lists were very thouroughly logical in their composition. What makes you so surprised that a woman would make one with EMOTION as its guiding idea?! TAke another look.
If any man can dig up the algorithm that will make women make complete LOGICAL sense... hoo boy, better get the altar ready.

 

[BobbDobbs]

Originally posted by ShortyBrown
Oh Phuck off.

Stop flaming her just because she's a female and she exists outside your realm of females that are only of use as phuck rags. Bitter little troll.

I'll have to agree with ShortTimer's analysis of Iqqi's "i want to see the world, and become part of it. i want to immerse myself in life, losing myself in it and becoming one with it. " It sounds poetic and all, but it's really just vague generalities. It also doesn't really distinquish her from any other human on the planet.

By all means, though, everyone should seek to live the life they want to live. I'm not sure I understand the constant need to put down and belittle the lives they don't want to live.

 

[JustDoItAlways]

As a final thought on this post, a DJ should note a few observations:

- iqqi's post was all about Emotion, she was expressing her feelings. Women do think much more with their emotional side rather then their logical side as men do. If you really want to know what your chick is saying at any particular time, try to think about what "feeling" she is expressing. The words are not as important and may even be contradictory to the emotion she is trying to convey. Don't listen to what she is saying, listen to what she is feeling.

- Lots of women like to fantasize, not only about the knight in shining armour on the white steed carrying her away, but also about her life in general. She wants the world and adventure and fun and excitement. A smart DJ will tap into that and try to give her some of those "feelings" (feelings again as opposed to actually taking to her Vegas). He will try to anchor her good feelings to himself and anchor her bad feelings to something else or to the lack of his presence.

- A smart DJ will know when a chick's emotions and fantasies are just TOO unrealistic. He should know that chicks like this are just too hard to please and too emotional and too flaky. They make terrible partners and are usually the ones to cheat, monkey branch and never be satisfied. iqqi's post demonstrates that she is one of these. If she made these statements while I was sitting across the table from her on a date, I would immediately classify her as short-term, fvck-buddy only. Of course, I would then tap into those feelings, agree with her, build her a bigger world with even bigger feelings in it and I'd fvck her that night. But she wouldn't be my girlfriend.

 

[Saine]

Someone to the rescue of the thread! Listen to this man JustDoItAlways, he's right.

 

[princelydeeds]

Originally posted by JustDoItAlways
As a final thought on this post, a DJ should note a few observations:

- iqqi's post was all about Emotion, she was expressing her feelings. Women do think much more with their emotional side rather then their logical side as men do. If you really want to know what your chick is saying at any particular time, try to think about what "feeling" she is expressing. The words are not as important and may even be contradictory to the emotion she is trying to convey. Don't listen to what she is saying, listen to what she is feeling.

- Lots of women like to fantasize, not only about the knight in shining armour on the white steed carrying her away, but also about her life in general. She wants the world and adventure and fun and excitement. A smart DJ will tap into that and try to give her some of those "feelings" (feelings again as opposed to actually taking to her Vegas). He will try to anchor her good feelings to himself and anchor her bad feelings to something else or to the lack of his presence.

- A smart DJ will know when a chick's emotions and fantasies are just TOO unrealistic. He should know that chicks like this are just too hard to please and too emotional and too flaky. They make terrible partners and are usually the ones to cheat, monkey branch and never be satisfied. iqqi's post demonstrates that she is one of these. If she made these statements while I was sitting across the table from her on a date, I would immediately classify her as short-term, fvck-buddy only. Of course, I would then tap into those feelings, agree with her, build her a bigger world with even bigger feelings in it and I'd fvck her that night. But she wouldn't be my girlfriend.

Excellent post Justdoit. I agree completely, she is an easy woman get in bed, she lays all her emotional cards out on the table. A patient manipulative DJ can use and abuse her at will.

She has already demonstrated her irrational illogical side numerous times. I remember her post about the crazy suicidal guy who she fell "In Love" with because he needed her to heal him. She is a case study in the negative aspects of womanhood. She is flaky, irrational, selfish, illogical and chooses the absolute worst possible men.

 

[( . )( . )]

excellent points justdoitalways, i agree wholeheartedly, BUT its rare for a chick iqqis age to actually think in a non fantastical, logical way and not be driven by emotions and feelings.

EDIT: LOL i swear i didnt even see your post princely, i saw the first sentence and did a double take.

 

[Hot Ice]

WOW.
I totally feel you here!

I think we share same kind of 'frustration' about how people see the world.

If this world would be different, it would provide different kind of challenges like exploring places someone never been into and unlike getting a good job and being a slave of society, I would live a LOT different.
I absolutely hate that you have to get good education to get a job to serve society.
I don't say that I don't like knowledge, but the purpose of it is wrong.
If we lived few hundred years ago, I would be there to explore new places adventuring.

A little story:
I made a little trip to Helsinki few weeks ago.
One purpose was to go clubbing with Daniel (a Finnish DJ).
There was a situation that I would have to be on the streets whole night waiting for bus back home if I wouldn't hook up with a chick and get to her place. I knew the fact that I would be on the cold streets whole night and morning if I wouldn't take ´some serious action.
There was some good chicks at the club, yes.
But I really didn't feel like getting laid at all. I just danced like crazy and had fun, but thinking afterwards I think it's the idea of having to be on the streets whole night fascinated me so much I didn't even wanted to get laid!
So that's what happened.
Man, that was an adventure!

I met some homeless bum friend.
He wasn't like that all his life. Just lost his apartment not a long time ago. He told me these crazy stories he has seen there and told about his current life. We went there and asked people for money to have a cup of coffee etc.
And you know what, I feel I'm even JEALOUS to him. To his free life.
At the end there was like 4 of us and we talked all kind of shyt.
It really made me feel weird when it was time when my bus was about to leave. I was going back to my life.
Yes, I have a warm apartment, money and food to eat...
But that didn't feel that good when I got back home as I would have supposed.

I still look back that trip and the time I had there.
I was totally free. I just had to do things to survive. I didn't know anyone. I could do anything I like. Go anywhere I like. I felt everything so strong. I felt I was living.

OK, Maybe I spoke off the topic a little.
The companion talk of yours, iqqi...
I wouldn't take a companion to share my life someone who wouldn't understand these kind of things.

I think I end here and go to bank and to market. Continue my so called life that I wouldn't continue like this if I was free from chains of society where you are supposed to plan your future.


Cheers
- Hot Ice

 

[ShortTimer]

Originally posted by ShortyBrown
Oh Phuck off.

Stop flaming her just because she's a female and she exists outside your realm of females that are only of use as phuck rags. Bitter little troll.

I must have missed the part where I said "iqqi should be / is a *** slut." Thanks for clearing it all up for us. Obviously I've struck a nerve.

 

[iqqi]

i think hot ice gave the best example of what i am talking about. it isn't about shiny, or pretty, or expensive, or vegas.

i would rather hang out with some bum with perspective at 3am in finland (or hell, chicago even), than some pompous richboy in vegas, at the casinos.

he is not a homeless cat (hot ice), and most un-homeless guys would nevr do what he did- that is forget who he supposedly is (whitecollar worker chained to a commercial life) and immerse himself in this other guys life.

why? why would he want to do THAT? the man is homeless on the streets? most would exclaim.

that is my point. i am like hot ice, and want someone like him. someone who knows to take those paths, and can come away with a newfound respect and wisdom from the situation.

thank you hot ice for that story.

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by JustDoItAlways
He should know that chicks like this are just too hard to please and too emotional and too flaky. They make terrible partners and are usually the ones to cheat, monkey branch and never be satisfied. iqqi's post demonstrates that she is one of these.

well i guess i am just a sonofab!tch no matter what you say.





you are being a little harsh. i am actually NOT hard to please. at all. i am not flaky, and i am not a cheater. i don't monkey branch AT ALL (as a matter of fact i prefer being alone than in bad company, a concept i know many women do not get).

but i am emotional (i am woman!) but not as much as most women i know. i am a dreamer, and would not want it any other way.

and i am not easily fooled or manipulated. there is usually a price the "manipulator" pays themself when dealing with me.

so bite me.

 

[High Voltage]

Despite the threat of getting lost admist all the other replys to this thread I will post my little bit.

The type of relationship Iqqi describes I'm sure exists. We do not see it because we are given ideas by society of what relationships and marriage are. We are force-fed by just about everyone as to what the role of men and women are. What marriage is.

Sure we could rebell, but humans are lazy and like to be part of the herd. The type of man you describe is rare, but exists. I believe we all start out this way, but the weight of the years and past hurts crush the spirit. We loose our freedom in a cage of our own making. So the older you get the less likely you will be to encounter this man.

You point out the general viewpoint of relationships on this forum. This is not indicative of how all men are. Keep in mind the age group here and the pain many of us have suffered at the hands of women. Of course you get a unfavorable impression of what guys want.

In your search for your companion Iqqi, I believe nowhere did you say the guy needs to foot the bill for your expenses, only his. This is how it should be. And if this was what you had in mind, it separates you from the stereotyped money-sucking female. Good job.

If you are not a Sagittarius you should be.

- HV

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by iqqi
well i guess i am just a sonofab!tch no matter what you say.





you are being a little harsh. i am actually NOT hard to please. at all. i am not flaky, and i am not a cheater. i don't monkey branch AT ALL (as a matter of fact i prefer being alone than in bad company, a concept i know many women do not get).

but i am emotional (i am woman!) but not as much as most women i know. i am a dreamer, and would not want it any other way.

and i am not easily fooled or manipulated. there is usually a price the "manipulator" pays themself when dealing with me.

so bite me.

If i had the choice between a woman that was logical or emotional I would definitely chose emotional. I'm the logical one and because of that i want an emotional woman. I've dated a lot of women. The ones i like the most are the girls that think emotionally. I find them easy to read and predict for some reason. I know that doesn't make sense but it is true. Emotional women react to the good things you do and they will flirt with you to no end.
Women that try to be logical usually end up creating problems for you.

I also think it is easy to make an emotional woman happy. It doesn't even take much. I dated one girl that went crazy and got all excited every time i accomplished something in my life. When i got my first job she was ecstatic about it. I thought it was crazy, but it made me realize that I couldn't care less for a non-girly non-emotional hot babe.

To all the guys that are getting mad at this girl. just quit it. It's ok to voice your point about something, but you can' t blame her for being a girl. A DJ likes women because he understands their behaviour and he knows that it can't harm him.

 

[ShortTimer]

Originally posted by iqqi
i would rather hang out with some bum with perspective at 3am in finland (or hell, chicago even), than some pompous richboy in vegas, at the casinos.

he is not a homeless cat (hot ice), and most un-homeless guys would nevr do what he did- that is forget who he supposedly is (whitecollar worker chained to a commercial life) and immerse himself in this other guys life.

I wish I was a pompus rich boy, damn that would be nice. Anyhow, you can go hang out with your homless guys... but in the meantime I have a future.

but you can' t blame her for being a girl.

While I certainly can't blame her for being female, I can blame her for acting like a woman. Ovaries do not excuse bad behavior.

A DJ likes women because he understands their behaviour and he knows that it can't harm him.

You think they can't harm us? Go visit divorce court.

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by ShortTimer
but in the meantime I have a future.

yes, but how much are you looking forward to it?

 

[00Kevin]

You think they can't harm us? Go visit divorce court.

No they can not. If they do it really is your fault. You simply didn't evaluate what you were getting into before hand. If you have power over your life girls will not be able to take that away from you. The problem is that most guys are too happy to get married now. It's funny, people spend more time searching for the perfect car then they do for the perfect girl. You have to test that girl every way you can think of before you do something that crazy. You should also have your back covered in case something bad does happen. what if you get a lemon of a woman? .. all i know is that there is no way in hell i will ever put a ring on a chicks finger unless i totaly test her out and I'm prepared for the worst. (ie an off-shore bank account)
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