I think Ive discovered hidden Nofap effects

[sosousage]

People project frames.

There are naturals who dont think how they act.

But some people struggle, they act really ****ty. Not like a real man.

And often, that ****ty behavior comes from the frame their insecurity projected.

Their insecurity comes from that they have no positive external stimulus on that field. No positive experiences.

So how to project stronger, alpha male frame while we are wimpy guy with no good experiences.

If he just fapped yesterday, meaning the whole maleness would be at low levels. He would feel shy, depressed, and not fancy about doing something like talking to women.

Even if he did talk to her, it would still look like a wimpy act of nonsexual barely-male being, his voice would be quiet, his eyes would be looking down, and so on. Whole situation would got him sick even before he talked to her.

lets talk about reward

But if he didnt fap for a long time, it would make him decisive person (because he stopped doing very addictive thing), if he could stop doing something most people cant he will also have it easier talking to women.

So he approaches woman, his voice is stronger, hes not alpha male, but his frame is much stronger than it would be if he fapped regularly. His physical body stimulated mind, because both his testosterone and his energy were at high levels, his mind kept on receiving positive vibes from body alone for past days.

We can compare it logically to a situation where old man is enjoying his company in a bar or somewhere but he still knows hes very sick and regardless of having very nice company (positive external stimulus to our inner health, so to frame as well), he will still feel weak, as the weak body will affect his frame negatively.

Same could be said about going gym because it strengtens your body = your mind benefits from it as it receives positive vibes from your healthy body in real time

so he talks to her, she doesnt recognize him as a creepy, weak wimp, his frame is in much better condition, they talk a little bit about anything and he doesnt even need pick up lines because she can feel his vibe that his mind projected. As I said, the vibe/frame that came from his mind, was previously an result of healthy body.



note this is just what I think. Im not sure to what levels nofapping can get our power/testosterone/frame. But there are many people that believe it HELPS so I wanted to give it some logical thought.

 

[MrJack]

People project frames.

There are naturals who dont think how they act.

But some people struggle, they act really ****ty. Not like a real man.

And often, that ****ty behavior comes from the frame their insecurity projected.

Their insecurity comes from that they have no positive external stimulus on that field. No positive experiences.

So how to project stronger, alpha male frame while we are wimpy guy with no good experiences.

If he just fapped yesterday, meaning the whole maleness would be at low levels. He would feel shy, depressed, and not fancy about doing something like talking to women.

Even if he did talk to her, it would still look like a wimpy act of nonsexual barely-male being, his voice would be quiet, his eyes would be looking down, and so on. Whole situation would got him sick even before he talked to her.

lets talk about reward

But if he didnt fap for a long time, it would make him decisive person (because he stopped doing very addictive thing), if he could stop doing something most people cant he will also have it easier talking to women.

So he approaches woman, his voice is stronger, hes not alpha male, but his frame is much stronger than it would be if he fapped regularly. His physical body stimulated mind, because both his testosterone and his energy were at high levels, his mind kept on receiving positive vibes from body alone for past days.

We can compare it logically to a situation where old man is enjoying his company in a bar or somewhere but he still knows hes very sick and regardless of having very nice company (positive external stimulus to our inner health, so to frame as well), he will still feel weak, as the weak body will affect his frame negatively.

Same could be said about going gym because it strengtens your body = your mind benefits from it as it receives positive vibes from your healthy body in real time

so he talks to her, she doesnt recognize him as a creepy, weak wimp, his frame is in much better condition, they talk a little bit about anything and he doesnt even need pick up lines because she can feel his vibe that his mind projected. As I said, the vibe/frame that came from his mind, was previously an result of healthy body.



note this is just what I think. Im not sure to what levels nofapping can get our power/testosterone/frame. But there are many people that believe it HELPS so I wanted to give it some logical thought.

I agree with this.

You said it in a much more in depth/explained way but all of that simply boils down to this:

If you're fapping everyday, you aren't going to have the motivation, need, or want to talk to women simply because your body and mind are already satiated.

If you're on nofap, you have the motivation, want, and NEED to talk to women and have sex with them. Therefore you naturally act in a way that's going to make that happen.

Simple as that.

 

[That_dude]

If it's causing you to not want sex and go out with women.. I'd def recommend going no fap. I've always had a very strong drive no matter what. The only exceptions were girls I wasn't into

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Yes, do not waste your sexual energy. Channel and direct that energy in real life. It is the aphrodisiac to women. Think of it as the mystic force that brings people together.

 

[MrJack]

Men like to debate this subject and thats great but i truly know that the effects of jerking off to your thoughts is FAR more damaging then language can decipher. Ever

What are you trying to say? Like it's more damaging than just whacking it to touch only (no thoughts)?

Either way porn is the main problem that's the really damaging one. Whacking it to fantasy thoughts is a step or two down IMO.

I'm really intrigued by the concept of semen retention. I have experienced first-hand more energy and a clearer more calm/confident mind from nofapping. I'm just curious if it's true that if the longer you practice it the more and MORE profound these effects will be? Or is there a certain threshold? Idk.

Regardless I'm still gonna have sex with women but I don't whack it anymore. I think that's the healthiest way to go about it, as the sex is so much more rewarding.

 

[MrJack]

Its the same images. Bottom line is to use what you been giving and made to do. Be with woman for Real. Not on screeen or in your head. Its reality

Yea no I totally agree with that.

Idk if you lurk around any nofap forums (I'm a longtime lurker there) but there's this concept that whacking it to thoughts of a real woman that you personally know in real life may not be damaging to the brain or at least not nearly as damaging as porn thoughts/porn.

It's pretty much impossible to ever be able to confirm that though. Best to play it safe and save sexytime strictly for real life women.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Yeah I still don't really buy the whole argument the OP posted. It's the same stuff I've read before elsewhere. I'll jerk it maybe once a week and I stopped looking at porn on a regular basis a couple years ago.

Its the same images. Bottom line is to use what you been giving and made to do. Be with woman for Real. Not on screeen or in your head. Its reality

Again, I'm not a no fap advocate, but I am anti-porn. The obvious reasons being that for guys they become desensitized when it comes to actually have sex with a woman and their d!ck is used to being jerked really hard that no pu$$y can match. Then it gets even worse with more and more hardcore bullsh!t that just isn't realistic in real life. I had one young girl tell me that anymore she gets sick of trying to have sex with guys her age. I asked her to describe why and basically it all boils down to they watch too much porn. For example when a guy in porn is fingering some woman and then immediately kicks in the turbocharger on his hand and those 2 fingers in her puss are practically lifting her off the table. Or guys going down to eat her out with their face grinding her pelvic bone.

When you go to the movies and see some car jump over a cliff and miraculously make it to the other side just barely yet come out unscathed, is this realistic to you? Why would you think this stuff in porn is? Same for women really with their bullsh!t romance movies. A lot of people both men and women seem to have problems discerning fantasy from reality.

Watching too much porn for a guy allows him to mentally shift very quickly between all the imagery he's watched and uses that to get off. Over time, it turns into a requirement to be able to even get hard, and continues going downhill from there. If I jerk it, and have only real life experiences to fantasize over, well I guess I've never had a problem.

But a lot of these no fap zealots running around these days I guess never really thought that people, ever since the dawn of man, have been jerking their own meat when they want.

 

[sosousage]

Yeah I still don't really buy the whole argument the OP posted. It's the same stuff I've read before elsewhere. I'll jerk it maybe once a week and I stopped looking at porn on a regular basis a couple years ago.

well the difference here is that, bodybuilders and other people aware of the nofap deal, they mainly believe that you save this testosterone if you dont fap. And its true. But this thread is about additional effect of keeping your testosterone. Its about maintaining a strong frame from a filled-with-testosterone body.

Look, this is very inner thing, and I never was a monk, but basically your vibes/aura/frame (call it as you want) is something other people feel subconsciously (especially opposite gender). Fat women usually feel really bad about their body (well not all, some feel entitled but not because of body), thats why their frame is really negative. I can sense low self esteem just from texting via facebook with fat chicks.

And its one of the reasons why people who go gym start feeling more confident. They look better, and feel better. They are beautiful people now, their frame is strong and drags all people to them.

If you didnt experience the impact between the way people behave towards you when you were normal-shape or fat, and between when you were very muscular and ripped, then it might sound like im talking delusional things. But I am not.

Here I am not fapping for a week and im starting to feel what I described. I was never a fan of not-fapping, because i never noticed any more logical reward. But now im starting to believe what I think, which further keeps me from fapping. (not a placebo effect). I just believe my frame theory strongly, because frames are not delusional thing, they are, a fact, they exist, and our inner health has influence on it. including testosterone levels. so apart from having more energy/power from no-fap, we also project better frame just by the fact that we keep the testosterone.

 

[wifehunter]

 

[sosousage]

not sure what message are you trying to convey with cat gif

 

[wifehunter]

not sure what message are you trying to convey with cat gif

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Your inner state is not delusional... for you experience it directly. It's our ideas that may be delusional. Now we know for a fact that the ideas belonging to mass man are delusional... to keep him in a servile state and stupor. And so your own ideas have a better chance of being less delusional. Here we are perhaps in the realm of illusions, and arguably, from a certain perspective [realism], living life is about having illusions [idealism.. Becoming].

There is a lot of talk about the 'placebo effect', but how do we know anything with certainty. We do not, and that is why we look at the effects of certain beliefs... do they make us stronger and happier [forget success for now]. If so, we pragmatically believe it, for there is something within us that resonates strongly with the belief [and belief of one sort or another is essential... there is nothing more corrosive of manhood than the lack of belief]. So the so-called 'placebo effect' actually turns out to argue in support of abstinence, not against it. Let's leave the consumption of porn to the mass mind with its weak obeisance to what is 'normal', and what everyone does.

 

[Reykhel]

not sure what message are you trying to convey with cat gif

Stop and think for a moment: This poster is in the list of sosauve's most liked members.

Reflect on that.

The majority of his posts are nonsensical gifs and smiley faces.

 

[MatureDJ]

I think a potential problem is that the tension that is built up and not released can cause a man to have "beer goggles", especially in the aspect of judgment of the propriety of a woman's attitude. I know a guy that was a foreign woman hunter, and he made the comment that the best advice for a man going to a foreign woman social tour was to first visit a pro so as to "take the edge off", otherwise that man will get reeled in by the first woman that is nice to him, with drastic consequences. The man who is not jacked up [pun not intended] will be able to objectively discern a woman, whereas the jacked up one will be overwhelmed by his body telling him, "find a d@mn hole for your sp3rm".

 

[MatureDJ]

Watching too much porn for a guy allows him to mentally shift very quickly between all the imagery he's watched and uses that to get off. Over time, it turns into a requirement to be able to even get hard, and continues going downhill from there. If I jerk it, and have only real life experiences to fantasize over, well I guess I've never had a problem.

The reminds me of the way that Al Bundy had to paste the centerfold from Big 'Uns to be able to have sex with Peg.

 

[MatureDJ]

Regardless I'm still gonna have sex with women but I don't whack it anymore. I think that's the healthiest way to go about it, as the sex is so much more rewarding.

Don't worry; after some time of no-fapping, your body will determine that you've got sp3rm that's too stale, and a very nice dream will "come" to you. I can still remember that dream I had that somehow had me walking into a shower where a naked, dripping wet Ellie Mae Clampette was awaiting me.

And something else to consider - urologists will tell you that it's good health for you to keep your pipes clean.

 

[MrJack]

Don't worry; after some time of no-fapping, your body will determine that you've got sp3rm that's too stale, and a very nice dream will "come" to you. I can still remember that dream I had that somehow had me walking into a shower where a naked, dripping wet Ellie Mae Clampette was awaiting me.

And something else to consider - urologists will tell you that it's good health for you to keep your pipes clean.

Oh trust me I've had these dreams before. Sometimes they feel WAY better than the actual act of sex.

I consider these nice dreams a reward for not fapping haha.

 

[sosousage]

Oh trust me I've had these dreams before. Sometimes they feel WAY better than the actual act of sex.

I consider these nice dreams a reward for not fapping haha.

you can as well practice lucid dreams and create wet women every time you successfully get a lucid dream. I usually wake up out of excitement tho in such moment, and then i feel asleep and have a normal dream

 

[MrJack]

you can as well practice lucid dreams and create wet women every time you successfully get a lucid dream. I usually wake up out of excitement tho in such moment, and then i feel asleep and have a normal dream

Damn what a coincidence, I just wokeup from one of these dreams and it was amazing lol. It wasn't lucid (although I can lucid about 30-40% of the time).

Sometimes the non lucid ones are better because you aren't overly excited and scurrying to finish the act before the dream ends, instead you're just in the moment.

This is weird though.. I just had sex with a plate last night and then this morning I have a wet dream? Did my d*ck not get enough of what it wanted or something? Lol.

Either way I noticed the dream felt better than the sex last night but that is slowly shifting. Gotta keep going.

 

[MatureDJ]

Damn what a coincidence, I just wokeup from one of these dreams and it was amazing lol. It wasn't lucid (although I can lucid about 30-40% of the time).

Sometimes the non lucid ones are better because you aren't overly excited and scurrying to finish the act before the dream ends, instead you're just in the moment.

(This thread is going a bit off-topic, but since I had never participated in a form thread about dreaming, I'll take the liberty of using it.) I have noticed that increasingly, I have been able to be in the middle of a dream (i.e., a regular dream, as fapping, professional servicing, and the rare amateur servicing, LOL, keeps my pipe clean enough) and say to myself, "wait a minute, this is a stupid dream, so it's time to get out of it", at which time I wake up. Also, for some strange reason, I have these dreams where I'm in high school, but thinking, "wait a minute, I've got a college degree; why the h3ll am I here?" And BTW, I rarely have dreams about dealing with women as sexual objects, but in those situations when I am pumping away and eventually climaxing, the dream is not wet (must be the clean pipes keeping that away).