I think I understand how women feel about doormats

[cablecow15]

I was directing it more at the twisted views , that you and the majority of the posters in here have towards this situation.

every thing "done" to this girl is very mild , nothing hes said would warrant him or her having psychological problems.

Although you could argue that women themselves are walking psychological problems. Personally the girls that let this kinda thing happen to
them are much better off than the kinda women that end up dating the "bad boys" or "jerks" but we all accept that most women for a part
of their life will go after them over the nice guys.


What hes done will work on a lot of women , (for sex) and it all goes back to the cavemen days , If ug the caveman bangs ulga on the cave
for all to see , his value will go up in his tribe or what ever , now the other cave girls prolly don't wanna watch or hear them getting it on , but
now hes more desirable because he is desired

its very primitive , but its the same reason why they go for jocks and crap , back in the day those kinda guys would be the best mates ,
they could protect them from crap , and that kinda thinking is still in their genes

 

[TonyBaloney]

NO cablecow - your post is wrong in its observation.

I'M SORRY but the OP should be ashamed of his behaviour.

We all know about alphas (see my post bout my friend Andy, in ways to seed and breed)

But here you have levels of continuining cruelty; without shame and remorse, with the full knowledge that this girl is insecur, and he adds to that.

I think any man who claims to be such, would do the right thing and either drop out, or encourage her to seek help.


Also your simplistic observations about Evolutionary Psychology are wide from the mak, more research from yourself needed in that area.

 

[cablecow15]

Lol did you even read his posts , he said that he didn't realize at the time what he was doing , its very easy to have hindsight.

your a broken record , you keep making statements with out backing them up with things he actually said.

I wouldn't have brought up that post , people tore apart your logic in that one as well

Also your simplistic observations about Evolutionary Psychology are wide from the mak, more research from yourself needed in that area.

That's a funny sentence to read ; there not simplistic observations , there only portrayed in a simple manner for a simple audience.

This back and forth thing is boring , not posting here (this thread) again till some new blood joins in

 

[TonyBaloney]

I didnt propose any logic in seeding and breeding it was just you and other dumb boys tearing in at me about my friend.... fact is, he aint nothing like 49au.

Your Evolutionary Psych model is wack job - make no sense at all. You are thick

 

[molloy]

Yeah, you sound like a sociopath. Though I've definitely been with girls who are fine with me fvcking them up the ass, coming on their faces, etc, and it definitely satisfies both of us on some level. Some girls just let you do WHATEVER you want to them sexually. Needless to say, these are not the girls you're taking out to dinner.

 

[woodrowdunn1]

Nice Guys Finish Last

Really nasty stuff! I do not like to be treated that way and I do not try to treat others that way! Five Stars for honesty, however if this little thing ends her life over how terribly you have treated her, well you might even feel better! I had a friend who left many girls pregnant, so that he would have the inside track with them. Nasty stuff!

 

[SgtSplacker]

I hate to say it but the secret to keeping a woman is to find a happy place between OPs treatment of a woman and the normal treatment you would give a woman. In some relationships someone just has to throw sh!t over the fence. If I see the relationship is turning into an abusive thing it always starts with me on the receiving end and definitely ends with her on the receiving end. And to be honest i'll enjoy it either way.

Some woman are constantly trying to be the dominant one in the relationship, I have seen it happen and it's an absolute nightmare. I can't even look at it. Women don't have the same control men do. They will belittle you constantly and make it a point to do it in front of other people. I dated a girl that her mother was the dominant one, I grew such a distaste for her parents that I eventually had to stop seeing her. I would see aspects of her mother in her character and I grew to be too combative with her. Her parents ruined our relationship.

I have seen lots of very pretty girly girls that feel they have to be extra tough for some reason. You have to flip the script on em fast or you end up being the b!tch of the relationship.

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

they are repulsed by it

 

[49au]

I forgot all about this thread, haven't read it in a long time. I enjoyed all the responses, even those accusing me of having a personality disorder.

The overwhelming point of this thread was rarely discussed, however. It is simply that my disgust for this girl (and refusal to give her what she ultimately wanted) must be the same thing women feel toward men who let themselves be treated in similar ways.

Feeling that - being able to empathize with how women must view weak men - it did a lot to elevate my inner game. To make me aware of the constant need to demand respect from them. It is not that women are incapable of respecting you, they just need to be taught and given parameters. The good ones will stay within them.


As for the girl, I had her drive down and spend the weekend with me again a several months ago. After, I gave her $100 gas money and sent her home. I deleted her from my Facebook (for probably the 5th time), and didn't contact her anymore until recently.

When I did, she kept responding as usual. She did her typical routine of asking me why I won't commit and swearing that she won't fuk me again.

I'm done with her though. Her looks have declined over the last ~3 years, she needs to find a guy quickly and I do think she deserves that. She was 25 and a solid 8.5 when I met her. Very eager to please in bed. Now she's a 7 and falling fast. She's submissive and she'll make the right guy a very good wife.

 

[floydb25]

The point of this thread was definitely missed. People around here (myself included) seem to be full of pessimism, resentment, and negativity towards people, and are real quick to jump on intentionally cruel / hurtful behavior, or always assume it to be the case... no matter what. Likely because it's what they've been through themselves (hence why they are this way, and hold these cynical views)... Akin to how a bullied kid resents bullies forever. Definitely not the healthiest place to seek clear-headed advice.

But yes, this is how they view and treat doormats. You can't respect someone who doesn't respect themselves. But deep down, you know it's what they respond to. That doesn't mean you SHOULD do it, and most people who do are usually bitter, revengeful, and angry themselves. As well as self-esteem issues, and the whole nine. Some people even get off on the control and manipulation - despite resenting the other person for it. Taking all their aggression and failure out on them, so they can feel better about their own insecurities.

But the main point - regardless of the good / bad, or reasons for doing so - is that, people treat you as you allow them to. Most people are selfish by nature, or a result of experience, and WILL take advantage of you if you allow them to. Or worse, volunteer yourself to. Some will also try to manipulate you into these positions.

So, while you THINK you're being genuine and kind by waiting for them to be "ready", being at their beck and call, and all that nonsense - even if they claim to want a "nice guy" and complain about jerks - they're just viewing and treating you as a chump. A lot of these *****es aren't nice themselves, and never were - only entitled and delusional.

As always, this is why you respect yourself, DON'T put your trust into other people's hands, or place yourself in these positions - thinking they won't take advantage, or have your best interests at heart. They won't, and don't... even (and especially) the ones who complain about the same things happening to them. As was show-cased here. Most people only complain when bad things happen to them (even if it's karma), but won't hesitate to do the same to others... while STILL viewing themselves as the entitled victim.