I think height and muscles will you get you laid more than your face.

[Oxide]

edit: this is such a stupid debate i should not even post anything..

 

[Jason88]

Not saying that attitude and mentality doesn't matter what i'm saying is that some guys assume looks have to do exclusivley with their face when usually for most women that's false...

I know women that say they are "scared' of huge,WWE-size guys that are nothing but muscle and think they are "crazy or gay".

But most women from my experience hit on a guys butt and arms more than she would his face.

I don't think men and women are that different I just think men are more forthcoming with their intentions and needs.

While women want to hide or blatantly lie about what they really want cuz they think it will scare men away(and it will).

Do you really want to think women aren't pleased with less than a seven inch ****?Or a guy that's at least six feet tall?or a guy that doesn't have a nice car?...Hell no,even though most men know this deep down women know this well make them seem like *****s..

Realnezz has it right. There's no one right answer to every single woman. If we polled the guys here on the most attractive women and why those women are attractive we would get a thousand different answers (of course all of us claiming to have the right answer).

You can have a million variables laid out here and the majority of them will get you in with the particular girl who likes those qualities. But it's pointless to act like we know what every woman will go for

 

[Mjazz]

didnt we agree on no more looks matter threads?

 

[mistermarc]

Looks, height and muscles are what make the first impression...but it only gets u so far...about the first 2 minutes if so much...what comes out yur mouth when you open it and how confidently it is presented is what matters most!
But I would agree anyday that along with having the correct mentality. also having the "physicalities" would do much more good than harm to your chances!

 

[thickandcreamy]

How many females have a picture of Michael Clarke Duncan on the wall as opposed to Brad Pitt? None. Justin Timberlake vs. HHH? You don't have to be a genius to figure this one out; muscleheads are a turn off for the vast majority of women.

Thick

 

[DJinTraining06]

Looks, height and muscles are what make the first impression...but it only gets u so farQUOTE]

Well if you can't attract them in the first impression, how on earth is their gonna be a second impression? There has to be some initial motivating factor, which is usually looks. If its not looks, its gotta be desperation or something if the girl is fat or ugly, or on the rebound maybe.

 

[ValleyDJing]

I used to a know a woman who was married to a guy who used to lift weights.

This guy was frikin' HUGE too. Tall, relatively good looking, had the whole package as far as looks were concerned. And he was into weight lifting and looking good and all that jazz.

You know what? She was REPULSED by it. Not just turned off, but repulsed.

They were divorced/seperated like 2 years later.

Muscles, looks, height, weight, they don't matter! Get that **** out of your brain right now. In actuality they do matter a LITTLE bit, but it's only like 20 % of the whole package that women are into! But for the purposes of this forum and the people who post her, FORGET ABOUT THE WAY YOU LOOK! FOR GODS SAKES SPEND THE TIME ON WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU ACT!

No offense dude, but way to base an entire philosophy off of one example.

 

[Vypros]

No offense dude, but way to base an entire philosophy off of one example.

It's not the only example.

You all are here, and you act like you haven't read books about women. Please tell me that all your "seduction" knowledge isnt' based entirely on this website. Please tell me that you have sought out other books/sites and read and learned as much as you can.

Because if you have, you would know that what I'm saying is true.

 

[John_Galt]

In any scenario the first guys that always stand out to women(women not girls) is the taller men and the musclebound men.

I don't think most adult women have time to be looking at men's faces and anylyzing who is more attractive.

At a certain age women start qualifying men and take into consideration a man's education,pay rate and other genetic factors to see if he would be a stable enough father..

I don't think a pretty face will do the trick alone just like most men will go after a nice ass and rack before going after a nice face.

(At least where I come from there might be a cultural issue there.)

FME...Lifetime experience post junior high women will gravitate more towards the jocks,taller men & gym rats more so then she would a pretty boy.

So that might be the answer to some of you "I'm a 9 yet I never get approached" guys.

I know butt ugly guys from my gym who get LOTS of attention..

You're right. Darwinism is the underlying role of attraction.

 

[John_Galt]

Not saying that attitude and mentality doesn't matter what i'm saying is that some guys assume looks have to do exclusivley with their face when usually for most women that's false...

I know women that say they are "scared' of huge,WWE-size guys that are nothing but muscle and think they are "crazy or gay".

But most women from my experience hit on a guys butt and arms more than she would his face.

I don't think men and women are that different I just think men are more forthcoming with their intentions and needs.

While women want to hide or blatantly lie about what they really want cuz they think it will scare men away(and it will).

Do you really want to think women aren't pleased with less than a seven inch ****?Or a guy that's at least six feet tall?or a guy that doesn't have a nice car?...Hell no,even though most men know this deep down women know this well make them seem like *****s..

The thing is, some women say they think big muscles are gross, etc. Now from what I got at this board, the philosophy, is don't listen to what women have to say about being a great guy. But the idiots on this board are all hypocrites and pick and choose whatever fulfills their dogma.
Anyway, security is a big thing with women. When you have a girl in your arms, she's not going to feel secure in lanky arms, she's going to feel secure, protected in big arms. As simple as that. I've also noticed when women engage in pre-emptive kino, they always go for my chest.

From my experience, that's not true. Four years ago, I was making tons of money.

The thing is, is that your one example can't refute statistical probability. I did the statistical analysis from Statistics Canada. The average married man, that is the sole provider makes 60% more than the average male. Just ask if you need the actual details of this, because I'll gladly post it.

And yeah, this board tends to have a hard time believing how far a good looking face will get you.

It's because the information presented here has been all sold before. All the crap is sold by some GURU, and that guru wouldn't make a penny if they said, most of my stuff will vary, on how good looking you are.

didnt we agree on no more looks matter threads?

I didn't. I think these threads are a pivotal part of the board.

How many females have a picture of Michael Clarke Duncan on the wall as opposed to Brad Pitt? None. Justin Timberlake vs. HHH? You don't have to be a genius to figure this one out; muscleheads are a turn off for the vast majority of women.

Thick

Men that are attractive fill in the biological role of status, security and providing. End of story. Justin Timberlake has a high status, and can provide, which will bring just about all security. Girls would get off on the fact they tell people they're dating Timberfag.

It's not the only example.

You all are here, and you act like you haven't read books about women. Please tell me that all your "seduction" knowledge isnt' based entirely on this website. Please tell me that you have sought out other books/sites and read and learned as much as you can.

Because if you have, you would know that what I'm saying is true.

Hmm, isn't the philosophy on this board, not to listen to what women say. Don't women say they want their men to buy them flowers and take them out on expensive dinners and shower them with attention? You're a hypocrite.

 

[Vypros]

Hmm, isn't the philosophy on this board, not to listen to what women say. Don't women say they want their men to buy them flowers and take them out on expensive dinners and shower them with attention? You're a hypocrite.

The hell you talking about? There ARE other seduction materials out there besides this website that are written by men. lol

Unless you are talking about me saying to go buy women's magazines in another thread. If you don't understand WHY I suggested that, then maybe you need to think it through a little more.

 

[John_Galt]

You said she was repulsed by his muscles.
Woman also say to win their heart, you have to wine and dine, flowers and presents, and not pressure them into sex.

 

[Vypros]

You said she was repulsed by his muscles.
Woman also say to win their heart, you have to wine and dine, flowers and presents, and not pressure them into sex.

There are other sources that support that fact that women aren't as into physical looks though. Ever see an incredibly hot women with a guy who looks like a dog?

There really aren't other sources (other than women) that say you can win a women by buying her stuff.

 

[John_Galt]

Women are the gatekeepers of Darwinism. Protection, Security, and Providing. Women will always take a doctor over a good looking janitor that lives in a trailer park. ALWAYS!

 

[~attrACTION~]

I just got myself a power rack the other day. Can't wait to use it.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

How many females have a picture of Michael Clarke Duncan on the wall as opposed to Brad Pitt? None. Justin Timberlake vs. HHH? You don't have to be a genius to figure this one out; muscleheads are a turn off for the vast majority of women.

Thick

Those are girls not women for the most part.

 

[blueguy]

I don't know why I'm involving myself in this, but I don't know how anybody can think otherwise.

Say you got a cute face, but you're a skinny twig. Say this makes you an 7-8. Give an athletic body, and now it's going on 9-10. Same goes for a cute face guy who dresses crappy. Maybe a 6-7. Add an handsome wardrobe, and suddenly he's much better looking. Everything compliments each other. Muscles and clothes are a definite added bonus. Unfortunately, most celebs don't have time to get that athletic looking, but even Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt have a good amount of muscle. You've seen them shirtless in the movies. They are by no means twiggy.

http://www.oceleb.com/img/brad-pitt/brad-pitt.jpg
http://www.cinema24horas.com/wallpapers/atores/TomCruise.jpg

 

[thickandcreamy]

Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt are within an average weight range and are a bit above average in terms of their build. Women are attracted to men with normal muscularity. But I don't know any women who fantasize about this:

http://www.ronniecoleman.com/sweeney/braun-2002-olympia-13.htm

For better or worse, there are lots of stereotypes about extreme muscularity, such as low intelligence, brutish behavior, etc. I am not saying this is right or wrong, that's just the way it is.

For the OP: if you just happen to meet women who fantasize about men who are 5' 10" and 300 lbs., then more power to ya.

Another question to ask yourself: is extreme muscularity worth it, and is such a lifestyle really healthy? I don't see the point of dehydrating yourself to the point of passing out for competitions, consuming nothing but chicken, steak and protein shakes, and living in the gym. By and large, the only people who are going to be impressed by an extremely muscular physique are other male bodybuilders, judges in bodybuilding competitions and gay men.

I saw a couple of these guys recently at the airport. Both were drinking protein shakes nonstop. Once their van arrived, they could barely walk up the (two!) steps because their frames couldn't support their weight (and probably because their cardiovascular fitness was probably rock bottom also). There were several women on the van and none of them seemed enthralled by their appearance.

The bottom line is this: men who pursue extreme muscularity will only appeal to other men. And only to a very small minority of men: namely other bodybuilders and judges in bodybuilding competitions. As a matter of fact, a significant minority of bodybuilders fund their training costs through prostitution and/or gay sex photography or video.

There are just too many negatives (shrinkage of tesicles and growth of one's head and internal organs due to steroid abuse, an inability to participate in normal activities involving cardiovascular fitness, being ostracized by mainstream society ESPECIALLY women, being pursued by gay men to support your training expenses) to outweigh any positives (vanity while looking in the mirror).

 

[blueguy]

If Tom Cruise's listed weight of 170 lbs along with his height of 5'6" is correct, he is technically considered obsese.

None of us look like Ronnie Coleman, nor do we want to. That is dumb. I would rather not show you my profile, but go browse myspace.com for a second and figure out which guys all the deadly hot girls have listed as their top friends.

 

[thickandcreamy]

A list of myspace "friends" is no indication of who is sleeping with whom. A couple of my friends are really into myspace. Whenever they go out to clubs, they'll focus on getting their pictures taken with pretty girls. But, they don't have sex with them. They maybe get a number, and of course they cross list each other on myspace as friends, but it goes no further than that.

Trying to figure out who hooks up with who as a result of the friends list on myspace pages is at best an unreliable proposition and is typically very misleading.

PS: Tom Cruise is closer to 5'7" or 5' 8" according to most accounts.

If Tom Cruise's listed weight of 170 lbs along with his height of 5'6" is correct, he is technically considered obsese.

None of us look like Ronnie Coleman, nor do we want to. That is dumb. I would rather not show you my profile, but go browse myspace.com for a second and figure out which guys all the deadly hot girls have listed as their top friends.