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what is the point of 'being the better man' and not showing interest until SHE does. I talk to women, I put myself out there and they always start talking about their crush on some other guy who also isn't giving them any attention. If I don't give girls attention I LOSE, if I do give girls attention, its AFC. I'm sick of waiting around on a girl to show some interest - If a girl is not seeing what is attractive about me in the first place, then it doesn't matter if I play hard to get or whatever is preached half the time on this site. What if I do have a solid inner and outer game and still get no attention from females? How come girls don't pick up on my great qualities. I don't know what I am doing wrong that the other douchbags that girls swoon over are doing. :cuss:
 
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let me expand upon this a little. It seems that other people that I am around just magnetically attract others without doing anything. People don't just come up and try to befriend ME. It seems as though I ALWAYS have to GO TO others. Yet for other people I observe, people just attempt to befriend them. Same with some guys - girls just start flirting with them.
 

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Are you outgoing? Are you smiling and making strong eye contact? And making an effort to be talkative and sociable?

I had similar problem for a while, and it was basically because I was not doing what was mentioned above, and I have seen other posters say they've had the same problem.
 
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I am more outgoing than some others that receive said attention. I do smile a lot. I don't know, I don't know what it is. I am friendly to people - but I don't even know if people care about friendliness anymore. If I'm friendly I'm a b**** and if I'm mean and act like I don't give a f*** people think ill of me.
 

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cloneofstenyhoyer said:
what is the point of 'being the better man' and not showing interest until SHE does.
First off, the part of not showing "too" much interest is not meant to be initiated before you start dating her. You have to be a man at first and let your interests be known, that you find her an attractive women and that you want to date her. Then after you are in the dating process, you can let her come to you but you have to build attraction before you can expect that to happen.

cloneofstenyhoyer said:
let me expand upon this a little. It seems that other people that I am around just magnetically attract others without doing anything. People don't just come up and try to befriend ME. It seems as though I ALWAYS have to GO TO others. Yet for other people I observe, people just attempt to befriend them. Same with some guys - girls just start flirting with them.
Do you honestly expect life to be handed to you on a silver platter? Do you honestly expect women to come up to you and say hey can I suck your kawk? C'mon, get real buddy, like anything in life, if you want something you have to work for it. Stop wasting your time dreaming about all these other guys that supposedly get approached. You know what, they work to get there, they are constantly sending out vibes & doing things to make it happen.

Thats the key, you have to make it happen.
 
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Thanks for replying. I know life isn't handed to me on a silver platter - but - I still think for some guys, it is easier for whatever reason. The girls may not be saying "hey can I suck your ****", but they are saying "hey, who are you?". As far as I go, I think I'm very interesting. I dress so that I stand out from a crowd. I also make people laugh a lot when I do talk to them. When "not showing too much interest" after the initial attraction - it seems like it would just make a chick think that I was disinterested. And I swear - this last girl I was trying to game (even after I was flirting like crazy) said she couldn't tell that I was interested (after I foolishly told her about my interest - I know I know I know). I was just sick of waiting and her not reacting to my advances. I really blew that one though.
 

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MacAvoy said:
Do you honestly expect life to be handed to you on a silver platter? Do you honestly expect women to come up to you and say hey can I suck your kawk? C'mon, get real buddy, like anything in life, if you want something you have to work for it. Stop wasting your time dreaming about all these other guys that supposedly get approached. You know what, they work to get there, they are constantly sending out vibes & doing things to make it happen.

Thats the key, you have to make it happen.
Yeah!

I hear so many times people beatching about how hard they worked. The sweat they put in and wonder why they have no success. I tell them this:

"in comparison to me...you've done nothing!"

And its true!
 

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Try going overboard. Seriously....It took me a while to calibrate after being in a LTR for 7 years... I would either show not enuff interest or too much. I got a lot of "you seem to want a relationship" when all I wanted was sex. I figured out that I was doing all this relationship style 'dating' activities. Movies, dinner, walks in the park. Now my dating is a cofee date and an excuse to come back to my place. Sometimes I skip the coffee. Either they know what's up and they are down with it, or they aren't and I move on.

Maybe what you think is "flirting like crazy" is just seen as witty banter. More kino, go for a kiss. Make mistakes and learn from them.
 

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You have to come off an a very intriguing person. Someone with a badass unique style and an infectious personality. You want them to forget about whoever they were chasing.
 
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I still can't believe the AFC/Arrogant shenanigan I pulled last weekend. I'm still in shock at myself - haven't done anything like that since highschool.
 
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I think I do have an intriguing personality. Maybe its not me but the girls. Who is to say that they have good/sensible taste in men???
 

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but - I still think for some guys, it is easier for whatever reason.
There's other ways to think about that. But first, consider that the way you are thinking about it isn't going to get you anywhere. There will always be people who do better than you, with girls, with careers, with whatever, and moaning about how it seems easier for other guys does nothing.

What can you learn from these other guys? Why don't you buddy up to them so that you can hang with them and then observe what they're doing and learn from them?

Had a guy approach me one night because he said out of all the guys in the room, I was the only one that looked like he had some game. I was talking to some girl. That made me stop and think: "What was I doing?" and I managed to break it down, which was interesting because I hadn't done that before. But I could see what I had done: The girl had planted herself near me (which may indicate her interest); I initially spoke to her kind of over my shoulder because I was turned slightly away from her (happened to be standing that way but it shows a sort of independent nature I guess); commented smirky/****y/funny on something that was happening in the room (that's a "circumstances opener", isn't it?); kept it as bantering and because of her initial attraction and the way I was going about it, she got engaged in it with me.

Of course, I'm also a handsome devil with a slight bad boy look, in shape and dress nice and have a great voice. Ha! Maybe that's what initially caught her eye.

So, what do you do? How do you dress? What do you look like? How do you hold yourself? How do you speak? What qualities do you exude?
 

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clone....

the start of this thread wreaks of insecurities.. and thats okay, because YOU are going to change this.

if you learn little to nothing on this board, take atleast this away..

be a man and go after WHATEVER you want. you deserve it.

the mindset should not be "hey, why arent anybody coming up to me, i am interesting enough arent i?" i realized after a long time that i had to GO GET anything and everything i wanted. and if it came to me, then it really wasnt worth having.

to hit a few things that you mentioned..

not being to interested, is completely different than showing ACTIVE DISINTEREST.

as far as women are concerned, dont take the approach to act as if you arent interested by not talking to her etc, you have to go out of your way to let her know that "im not interested in you until you have proven yourself a viable candidate".

but to be honest, none of this really matters until you grasp the most important concept here.

you dont need to show how interesting you are to people. you go out, enjoy yourself, HAVE FUN.

take pride in whatever atmosphere you are in and yourself. when you can go out and KNOW that no matter if 15 people come greet you or 0 people come greet you makes NO difference because you will be having a great time given any circumstance.

and when that happens, inevitably others will see this and flock
 
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Well, I think I dress pretty fly. I usually go out (if I'm for real on my pimp game) with at least $1000 worth of goods on my body. Sometimes it can be a little on the alternative tip though (think pharell from N.E.R.D) but I also have a slew of collared shirts. I hate the metsex thing so I'm not gonna do that. But I would say my steez is in between a skateboarder, an independent hip-hopper, and preppy. Nice watches. My ONLY disadvantage that I can think of is my height (5'6.5") but that hasn't held me back before - I may just be in a dry spell coming out of a 2.5 year relationship.
 
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hey DavenJuan, thanks for the reply (and same to the others)...I know this thread is full of my insecurity. I think it is because I have had a fair amount of past success and for whatever reason, this ain't my season?? Plus, I thought I was putting myself out there and showing interest - only to be met with what I picked up as not so much interest from one girl (the one who claimed she didn't know I had been interested) and what appeared to be interest (heavy kino and lots of eye contact) from this other girl I was gaming (but she started acting disinterested when I returned signs of interest)...


""as far as women are concerned, dont take the approach to act as if you arent interested by not talking to her etc, you have to go out of your way to let her know that "im not interested in you until you have proven yourself a viable candidate"."""

-can you or somebody else elaborate on this a little more??
 

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Clone,
bascially, "Interest' is directly related to the Degree of Emotional Investment a person is willing to have for you.

Attraction may not be a choice, but 'INTEREST" certainly IS.

Be careful of showing Interest too early, but never be ashamed to show you are attracted to a woman.
You want to show her you are attracted to her, and not in the least bit concerned, or anxious or worried about it.
Never be nervous about showing your attraction for a woman.

However, YOUR 'interest' MUST be EARNED by her.

Do not throw your heart away to just any woman.

Do not expect that a woman who may think you're cute and give you her number is "INTERESTED" in you exactly.
She may need more information. Or needs to shake off some other guy first. Who knows really?
But a phone number does NOT equal 'high interest'.
And never get so worked up over a woman whom you just met.
This communicates neediness, and lack of mature perspective.
You will eventually sub communicate this to her.
Then the sh*t tests will come as she begins to doubt you.

The idea of shwoing your gradual interest is simply a mature manner of dealing with romantic affairs of Adults.
You do not wear your heart on your sleeve, and just 'fall in love' and throw your heart to just any woman. Its not mature, healthy, and certainly not masculine.
You need strong self discipline though.
And you need to be strong in all your affairs of the heart.
It is YOUR heart after all.
And without properly respecting it and honoring it, you will set yourself up for more heartbreak than you need to.

Remeber the rule to SOI when she gives you something of Value to you, personally.

If you like Star Wars movies, and during your light, casual but flirtatious conversation she says that she likes Star Wars movies too..then you IOI.
You strike the chord of commonality.
And tell her that YOU 'like it'.
"Thats so cool that you like Star Wars. I didnt figure you for being a SW fan, but I reaized that I like you more and more the more I find out things about you. I like that about you. Tell me more about yourself..."
And simply go deep into the 'getting to know you', because all of a sudden this random cute chick, has just revealed something special about herself that resonates with YOU.
Let her know that.
THEN, when you tell her how glad you are to have met her, and find her so interesting and attractive..THEN you can escalate Naturally.Because she will KNOW that you 'like' her, and she will know WHY you like her. And feel more trusting and relaxed with it, because it MAKES SENSE to.

Her: "So the other day I was reading Tolle's The Power of Now...and I thought to myself.."
(interrupts)

"Whoah..you read Eckhart Tolle??!"

Her: (amused) "Yeah, why??"

"Because I think that is totally hot, that's why!! Damn, girl ...sexy, smart and spiritual. You've got me thinking naughty thoughts all of a sudden....tell me more..."

Her: (smiling and giggling) "Well, it's just that yada yada yada..."

That is showing your attraction and burgeoning interst.
All of a sudden this normal conversation, gets hot.
And you start to really relax and enjoy this exchange with this sexy woman..who is sexy and attractive to YOU..that's the only thing that matters.

You then continue, until you just realize :"Man, I have GOT to get together with this woman! She is amazing!!"

"Listen, I have really enjoyed meeting you and chatting and getting to know you. I really want to do this again with you. Where can I reach you? Whats your cellphone number?"

It feels easy and natural.
Because IT IS easy and natural.

Now, during that whole time it is usually best to assume her attraction to YOU, but NOT her 'interest' right now...
that needs to be seen. And felt.

This is that moment where the ball is in her court, and she as the independent woman that she is, decides what she is going to do with you...for now...

Remember, if it is simply not fun to interact with her, and she gives you nothing of value, asking for her number to meet up later is unnatural and awkward.

So dont display your 'Interest' to women who haven't EARNED it from you.

Other than that, she really IS just this random chick that you think is cute, but you don't know much about her...
...so it's crazy to go overboard with flowers and all these things, when she could be a serial killer or something.

Honor and respect your inner emotional resources.
Your Love and affection, time and patience, tenderness and compassion...

....ARE NOT FREE.

They do come at a price.

Show her you think she's cute.

But don't go overboard and start talking about when you guys 'get married' or things like that.
And compliment her genuinely, and don't go overboard.
It's no problem to tell you think she's gorgeous, but once is enough.
It's normal to tell her you like her smile.The way she laughs.
How sexy and soft her skin is.
But never with such an emotional attachment in the early stages that you lose perspective....


Dont do this out of fear.
Do it because this is what mature men DO.

We dont throw away our resources to just ANYONE.

This is the basic premise of 'not showing Interest' too early, especially if it is not DESERVED and she did NOTHING to EARN it from you.
 

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cloneofstenyhoyer said:
what is the point of 'being the better man' and not showing interest until SHE does. I talk to women, I put myself out there and they always start talking about their crush on some other guy who also isn't giving them any attention. If I don't give girls attention I LOSE, if I do give girls attention, its AFC. I'm sick of waiting around on a girl to show some interest - If a girl is not seeing what is attractive about me in the first place, then it doesn't matter if I play hard to get or whatever is preached half the time on this site. What if I do have a solid inner and outer game and still get no attention from females? How come girls don't pick up on my great qualities. I don't know what I am doing wrong that the other douchbags that girls swoon over are doing. :cuss:
Do you have looks and/or money?
 
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