I really screwed up!...HELP!

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OK, so here's my situation. I've wanted to date one of my classmates for over a year now. We study and talk to each other all the time. Last year I had mutual friends telling me frequently that she's interested, but she kept rejecting me when I asked her to go out with me. Towards the end of the year I got pissed at her for cancelling dinner with me for some silly event. I didn't talk to her for a week and when we started talking again, she told me that she thinks she likes me (txt msg on my cell). When I approached her about it the next day, she was quick to backtrack saying she doesn't know if it was a good idea to tell me that and then got very flustered and nervous when I asked her on a date. She kept saying "what's the rush?". So I laid low for a few weeks until the stress of our tests had past and asked again. She asked if we could still be friends. I told her that it's probably best if we didn't talk to each other. We didn't speak for four months! When school started again, we started talking again and now she said that she wants a relationship and is over her doubts from last year. We went on a fairly successful date last weekend to a nice restaurant. Her problem is that she's afraid of intimacy and she's very insecure and inexperienced. So, she's not the type that would be comfortable with kino or talking freely about a relationship. I'm not even sure what the hell we have. Is it a relationship? Are we dating? We don't hold hands, share any affection, etc. And she hasn't told her friends that we're dating or that she's interested in me.

This weekend her friends came in from out of town and she wanted me to come with her and hang out with them. She invited another male friend from school as well, so I was a little disappointed that it wasn't just me and a few of her friends. I was going to watch her that night and see how she treated me in front of her friends. Well, she sat by a few times during the night and talked to me, but it seems as if she found the jokes of the guys around me much funnier and seemed much more entertained by them. Plus, her out-of-town friends brought four random guys. At some point in the night I saw her from across the room laughing at some guys' jokes, grasping his wrist when she laughed and then I saw her exchanging numbers with him. Needless to say, I was angry, so I left after the restaurant and didn't hang out with them for the rest of the night. She seemed really disappointed I was leaving early.

I expected her to call me ASAP after that and she didn't call by
6 pm the next day. So, I decided to call her. We had the most awkward conversation lacking the usual enthusiasm. I asked her what she was up to and she asked what I did. The conversation was really boring and full of awkward pauses. I said I was sorry I didn't stick around the previous night. She asked if I had fun and I said I did. She said she felt bad because she wasn't able to spend time with everybody and I mentioned that I wanted to spend more time with her alone, but I understand that she had to spend time with her friends. I asked if she had told any of her friends that we were dating and she said she had mentioned it to her cousin. I asked what her cousin said and she said that her cousin thought I was "nice".

During one of the awkward pauses I decided to confront about getting that guy's # in front of me. I told her that it made me uncomfortable and I wouldn't do that to her, but I didn't do it confidently and it came off really pathetic and clingy. She said he was an old friend from college and he was getting a mutual friend's # from her, not her number. I didn't know what to say to that and there was a lot of awkward silence after that. I said I would talk to her later and got off the phone as quickly as I could. It was so messed up because I actually freaked myself out by how clingy and stalkerish I sounded. It's a new relationship after all. I text messaged her after the call saying "I'm sorry if that conversation came off weird. I didn't intend it to be that way".

Now I think I freaked her out by suddenly becoming this really insecure, jealous jerk who accused her of something she wasn't doing. I should have just been thankful she invited me and sucked it up. It's not like we're anything serious yet. I'm sure she's freaked out and probably sick of me by now. Sorry for the long history. How do I fix this? What the hell do I do now?
 

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Ok, first things first, why are you getting jealous? jealousy is a automatic 6 star, grandslam turn off! When she went to get that guys number you should have been confident that she wasn't going to "play" you. To me it seems like you two are only friends. She sort of treats you like one of her guy friend girl friends. Your situation is going to be hard to fix because you've already displayed so many "AFC" qualities. Did you know that when a woman puts you under the category of just being "nice" that you are only friend quality? if you didn't, now you know. In order to "fix" this problem, you are going to have to 1. get her to miss you (stay away for about a week). 2. get a new life that doesn't have her in it all that much. 3. talk to other women who are just as attractive or more attractive then her 4. Then you can swing by this chick here and be "****y and funny" (not too much ****y). Make some jokes about her, and leave after a brief 5 minute convo (you be the one to end the convo) be sure to mention ( maybe sometime we can hang out ) 5. continue on with your life. 6. invite her to hang out with you (if she says yes, say, something like " cool, I'm picking out the movie though because I won't let you trap me into seeing any chick flicks or diary stories ", ( if she says no, tell her "That's cool, well I'll be taking *insert name* she really wanted to do something me.....anyways, seeya" (end convo). You go back to step one to get her to miss you and want you. Repeat the process until you can "feel" her attraction for you again.

Yeah, man, you are in a knot. Do be warned, don't mess up when you do this through the first time. You have to work on being smooth and independent now.

Good Luck:cool:
 
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I just want to clarify that she considers us to be at the start of a "relationship" and this isn't some chick I just met and went on one date with. We've known each other for over a year and we've both wanted a relationship of some sort for awhile now. Her cousin described me as "nice", not her. The idea of ignoring her for a week when we've just started dating and we're used to talking to each other every day seems like something I would do if she did something wrong. I'm the one who freaked her out. Why ignore her now?
 

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Originally posted by gari
I just want to clarify that she considers us to be at the start of a "relationship" and this isn't some chick I just met and went on one date with. We've known each other for over a year and we've both wanted a relationship of some sort for awhile now. Her cousin described me as "nice", not her. The idea of ignoring her for a week when we've just started dating and we're used to talking to each other every day seems like something I would do if she did something wrong. I'm the one who freaked her out. Why ignore her now?
Did you know that, often, women care more about what other women think than what they think. Often times, women don't think for themselves. By her cousin saying you were "nice" could make her think otherwise. As far as relationships "actions speak way louder than words". I'm pretty confident that you have some work to do to fix this.
 

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I was thinking I would pull her off to the side at school tomorrow and hand her rose and apologize. Maybe I could say I was stressed and overreacted to it all. I should have just been thankful that she invited me and I promise to trust her in the future. How does that sound?
 

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Ok stop. GOOD GOD DON'T GIVE HER A ROSE. Do not bring up this topic with her again - the more you talk about it the more insecure you will appear. Do not appologize anymore to her. It will make you look insecure.

Insecure, insecure, insecure... you are a blowhorn of insecurity right now. She is flaking on you because of this... Flaking is a sign of low interest.

How do you fix this? - you need to get other female interests so all your focus isn't on her.

Honestly, I'm not sure you are in the right frame of mind for a successful dating experience yet. I'd re-read the DJ Bible and focus on yourself - this may take awhile for this to sink in...
 

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All this attention your giving her, you need to stop it. Your gonna end up creeping her out.

I pray to god you didn't go through with the rose idea. Rose's are as corny, typical as a box of chocolates. She'll know right away what your trying to do. She'll see right through you.

She seems to be incharge of this relationship more than you are.

Like the post said above try and find a temporary woman for now. Don't be jealous of her. Make her jealous of you. Don't make her out to be the prize. Make yourself out to be the prize.

And while your at it try not being soo afraid of your testosterone. You sound liek you need to toughen up and be more assertive. Don't be afraid of rejection, and don't look into things too much.
 

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You need to unplug for a while. Call up some of your buds, hit some bars and forget about this chick for a while.
 

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To quote you:

"I just want to clarify that she considers us to be at the start of a "relationship" and this isn't some chick I just met and went on one date with. We've known each other for over a year and we've both wanted a relationship of some sort for awhile now."

I am reminded of something Doc Love says often in his materials: when a woman wants you, she makes it easy for you to get her. Why? Because if she wants you and knows someone else can have you, it is in her interest not to try to play games with you knowing that she can lose you if she does.

Just because this chick told you she's wanted a relationship with you for sometime does not actually mean she wants one with you. What a girl SAYS and what her ACTIONS dictate are two different things. For example, if she says "I want to hang out with you," then goes with you to a party and is draping herself all over another guy, there is a descrepency taking place between what she SAID (she wants to hang with you) and what her actions are telling you (she doesn't want to hang with you, she'd rather be with this other guy).

This chick could have said "yes, I'll date you" so as not to hurt your feelings. She knows you're a "nice guy" and doesn't want your ego to shrink. HOWEVER, just because she said "yes" to you DOES NOT MEAN she has high interest in you. Again, LOOK AT HER ACTIONS!! By now you should be old enough to know what a girl with high interest in you would do. Would a girl with high interest forget to call you? Would a girl who's really into you even think about upsetting you by flirting with another guy at a party? Would a girl who fell hard for you make you wait a year before finally saying "okay, I'll date you?"

THINK ABOUT IT, MAAAAAAAAAAAAN!! :confused:
 

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You need to give her a good hard f*ck. get her drunk, whatever. Then make her come a dozen times. if you don't get increased IOI after that, move on.

NEVER THINK ABOUT BUYING A WOMAN A SINGLE ROSE AGAIN. You can reward her with presents when she's earnt them (but never a single rose). Right now you need get this chick to worry if she doesn't act fast she is going to lose you. You do that by following the above advice, make her jealous (as she did you, sucker), cancel a date, or get someone hotter buzzing around somehow. And then, as i say, scr*w her ass into the middle of next week.
 

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Damn dude, what are you thinking?

First of all, I understand your situation. I can guarantee you one thing:

2 years from now, when this lady is completely out of your life (unless she actually makes you her little boyfriend pet, God forbid), you're going to look back on this and be ASHAMED of your self and realize that this was not YOUR SELF to begin with.

Do you realize how you sound? I should appologize for her?? for what??? She's the one exchanging numbers with other guys!! Wake up buddy. You actually bought her story about exchanging numbers of mutual friends?? Ha ha, good one. She gave this guy her number for sure. Think about it, you say she's shy and inexperienced and doesnt' like to touch and hold hands and show feelings, but she's all over this guys arm!!!! WHAT THE FVCK!

You're being a total wussbag around this girl and you think that if you ever loose her that you will never be happy with another girl again EVER in your life. This feeling is TEMPORARY but it will ruin you. You need to start teasing her and act like you could care less my man. It's true, actions do speak louder then words.

YOU GUYS ARE NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP! Are you kiddin' me?? This is what you said here: "We went on a fairly successful date last weekend to a nice restaurant. Her problem is that she's afraid of intimacy and she's very insecure and inexperienced. So, she's not the type that would be comfortable with kino or talking freely about a relationship I'm not even sure what the hell we have. Is it a relationship? Are we dating? " Man, ARE YOU SERIOUS,, "talking" about relatioship,, NEVER talk about a relationship, dont' say a fvcking thing about it! Do not ask her out man, just make your moves. You're just putting all sorts of unnecessary bull**** pressure on the whole situation when you keep asking her about a relationship and if she has told anybody.

The reason she's laughin' at all the other guys at the party is because you're sittin' there scared shytless of what's going on and tryin' not to say anything wrong, instead of being a real man, grabbin' a few Coronas and have fun and joke around with EVERYBODY not just walk around your imaginary little leash that goes 5 feet or closer to your "girl". You do not even come close to owning her. She's feels close to you on a "friendship" level. Doesnt' wanna loose you as a friend, and she WANTS to like you!! believe that, she really WANTS to like you, but she can't and she doesn't even understand it her self, but it's because you're such a wussbag man.

You need to go and straight up slap the **** outta your self. Think about what you're doing. Where's the challenge? Man, do something bro!

In order to get out of the friendship frame you're gonna have to change your whole game around. IMMEDIATELY. You'll have to Master the game and it's NOT EASY. Trust me, turning a friend into a lover is one of the hardest things to do. I've done it in the past, but now when I look back on it, it wasn't even really worth it. It is possible though!! But you'll need a lot of game quick, because you're lowering interest level as you breathe. I remember something that helped me tremedously about 2 and half years ago was watching the David D's "Advanced dating techniques". This put me over the top and I was able to do the impossible, make my best friend (female you perverts) into more than that. You have to make her eyes sparkle. You have to make fun of her and tease her with the results being: her laughing and hitting you on your arm and telling you to quit it, even though it's obvious she's enjoying this.

When she says "I was gonna tell you something" answer with "that you love me?" with a smirk.

When she sees that you've changed and tries to test you and throgh you off guard answer with "Did this work on your daddy when you were like 2 years old?? He should have spanked you for that".. and laugh , confidently.. YOU"LL BE AMAZED.. I"VE SEEN GIRLS MELT,, my best friend melted when I said this, couldn't wipe the smile of her face, and I slaped her butt and told her "come on" and she followed me like my little dog to continue the rest of our work out.

Treat her like she's your little bratty sister. Do you have this in you?? If you don't, then stay the hell away from this girl. Get mad at your self. Burn the pictures bro, go out and talk to 20 girls a day. I've done all of these trust me.. I KNOW it's hard, but ti's possible.. and yeah, QUIT BEING A LITTLE BIITCHHH"

Finaly, get your self some viagra or some sh*t, because your deep feeling for this girl and your worship for her are going to make it impossible for you to get an errection on her. If you need further guidance, e-mail me at "donjuansimpson@yahoo.com" later bro, good luck..
 

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A few things i picked up:

she's more interested in others

she's in control of the situation - that means the pace, what happens, etc.

you're useful for filling out a crowd and being reliable in showing guys are after her

did anybody say "oneitis"?

a year? jeezuss.....

give her a rose. get yourself burned. the sooner and harder you do it, the better. then put a bullet through that afc brain and move on to better chicks
 

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the AFC brain...

hmmm..

I've heard of the reptilian brain, the central cortex, etc.

gotta wonder about the AFC brain: is it new? will it breed (or non-breed) itself out of existence? that is, is it an evolutionary disfunction that takes care of itself by breeding itself out of existence?

or is it one of the jungian archetypes that needs to be slain in mortal combat before one progresses? as in part of the hero's journey a la Campbell (a writer I can't stand btw...)

just speculating here
 

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Originally posted by gari
I was thinking I would pull her off to the side at school tomorrow and hand her rose and apologize. Maybe I could say I was stressed and overreacted to it all. I should have just been thankful that she invited me and I promise to trust her in the future. How does that sound?
Classic AFC move there. If you don't listen to the advice in this board. I'm afraid you'll have to learn it the hard way. I can garrantee you that she'll dump you if you keep acting like this.
 

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This story reminds me why I rarely ever got women in college (or high school for that matter). I was tall, athletic, good lookng, etc etc. But I had NO GAME. For starters, DO NOT GIVE HER A ROSE PERIOD. You are trying to logically pull this girl back for you when logic does not work with women. Tell that girl her and that guy look cute together and she should date him. If she pulls the excuse that she was getting it for a friend, just say, "Come on, you don't have me fooled for a minute."
 
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