I now have competition--(This one's long, gotta read)

The Nice Guy is Gone

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Well, a little while ago, I was unsure about whether my hbneighbor had an interest in me or not. I got a couple of replies that say she is. The thing is, I was (but maybe not anymore) in the friend zone.

I went out tonight to talk with an old friend, but they didn't show up, so all's well, and I stay at the bar--of course, it's the one I frequent.

Well, I'm upstairs, talking with a girl that I had met there and the bartender, and a guy that I met new years eve. Well, as it turned out, hbneighbor showed up at the bar, and where I was at. We hug, little FRIENDLY small talk. Friendly, because before tonight, there was nothing.

She goes over, sits at a table, and talks with her friend who is also at the bar. I sit and continue to talk with the bartender, and three other people, just having a good time. Here's the thing: I noticed hbneighbor glancing my way, and we make smooth eye contact several times.

Then she comes back up to the bar and orders another drink, a little small talk here and there; when she goes back to the table, she says she will be back.

Oh yeah, while she is sitting at the table, one of those three people I was talking to was a hb herself, just not my type, or I would have at least attempted a #close with her.

Back to hbneighbor. Her and her friend get through 'catching up'm and she comes back. Now, I don't remember hardly any of the convo, but she told me playfully to shut up quite a bit. I gave plenty of kino, and she gave some back. I did attempt a date, in front of the people--here's what happened:

(she was sitting by a guy I had met recently, then him, then me)

I make direct eye contact with her--and wave her to come here.

she does;
me: Me and you should go out Saturday night
hbn: Where
me: (name's a place)
hbn: No, I don't like that place because (something about guys)
me: Okay, let's do this--(gave the thought)
hbn: (she is thinking, & it appears as though she is spacing out.
(I try to get her attention, and)
hbn: I'm thinking, hold on just a sec
hbn: You know, Saturday is not really that great, b/c of something about an ex-bf.
me: Alright, no big deal
She goes back and sits down in the chair she was sitting in, and I turn my attention to hbui (uninterested)
We talk a little about music, eye contact is good, a tiny bit of kino here and there, but remember, I'm not interested in her, so this was just practice)

Okay, after a little of that, hbneighbor tells me something, but I can't hear it:

me: I can't hear you (I get up and go over to her)
hb: blah blah
This conversation was pretty boring, but it was playful too. I don't even remember what the convo was about, but our kino was playful, and fun.

We had a little chat--because she had gotten me a Christmas present, and she didn't get back until just a couple days ago.
She mentions it, and my curiosity is peaked, but it's cool. Later, I ask her what time she is leaving:

me: What time are you leaving?
hbn: Why, are we walking home together?
me: I figured you drove, but if you didn't, then let's.
some little chit chat, and enough of that.

The other guy that was sitting next to me has attempted to c**kblock me, but I don't think he will be successful. He's supplicating to her, but he did get her number, and she is a little wary of that herself, but after me and her went to her place, she told me she would see, but she's using a no-tolerance kind of thing with him, and she told me why.

Remember, the guy she told me she had had a crush on that she thought was so cute--he's the competition mentioned in the title. However, he called her, and I was in her apartment still, and I heard the convo--the only thing he has going for him, as far as I can tell, in this situation is the fact that he is cute.

While in her apt:

We talk a little, play a little. I'm not holding anything back, except for the dam attempt at a kiss, and I'm so wishing I would have. The thing is, as her crush showed up, that was when I was about to go for it. So anyway, we sat next to each other, I was able to put my arm around her for a bit, our legs and a$$e$ were against each other while she was on her laptop.

After (crush) got there, I got up, walked away from her w/o touching her, got my coat, shook (crush's) hand--I know him too, had a little more playful talk with hbn in front of hbcrush.

I went ahead and hugged her goodnight--and she brushed her lips against my cheek.

Her reason for not going out Saturday makes sense to me, because I know the whole story--and I do not think she is lying. I think she is actually looking forward to me attempting another date, which in this case, I will make an exception. I saw the look on her face, I know exactly what went on in our convo's (not the conversation, but the other stuff), and she did not say no per say.

One more thing while I was at her apt: (I'm not sure what led up to this, but)

hb: Kiss my butt
me: I kiss my hand and grab her a$$, as she is sitting on the couch doing something with her laptop.

All in all, tonight was not a compete failure, but it was not a complete success, either. It's let me look at this situation with a little more ground room, though, as now I know while I may still be in the friends zone, I'm not far from reaching the border.

I also see that I have competition, as she is not with any ONE right now. She has a crush, my friend has a crush on her, and I will be the one who ends up with her--THAT IS HOW I SEE THIS SITUATION UNFOLDING.

Any feedback, advice, replies, or critique are appreciated.
 
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Optimus Prime

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I think the best thing to do is not be around for a while...make her wonder about you.

You did ok, but if you want to peak her interest IMO, you need to keep a low profile and shag some other chicks. She'll be bored of the other guy soon enough, and like most women, will keep her options open, that's when you come in (pun intended).
 

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I'm seriously hoping you take this as constructive criticism, and not as me trying to bust your balls:


I read through your post a couple of times just to make sure I have it right...


First, your in the 'friend zone' (I hate that term, but whatever). It's damn near impossible to escape this situation, regardless of what you may have heard here, and here's why:

When a girl first meets you, she's subconciously analyzing you...Is he date-able?.....fuckable?.....is he LTR material?.....this is exactly what's going through her mind. Guys do it too, to an extent.

If she's already made up her mind about you, that's likely the way it will remain, UNLESS:

1). Something drastic happens and she changes her mind (unlikely).

-or-

2). Your gone for a period of time, and return completely reinvented, ie; a new man, so to speak.

Case in point is this conversation:



me: Me and you should go out Saturday night
hbn: Where
me: (name's a place)
hbn: No, I don't like that place because (something about guys)
me: Okay, let's do this--(gave the thought)
hbn: (she is thinking, & it appears as though she is spacing out.
(I try to get her attention, and)
hbn: I'm thinking, hold on just a sec
hbn: You know, Saturday is not really that great, b/c of something about an ex-bf.
me: Alright, no big deal




Two swings, two strikes. Where's her IL in you?


Also, what's this?



While in her apt:

We talk a little, play a little. I'm not holding anything back, except for the dam attempt at a kiss, and I'm so wishing I would have. The thing is, as her crush showed up, that was when I was about to go for it. So anyway, we sat next to each other, I was able to put my arm around her for a bit, our legs and a$$e$ were against each other while she was on her laptop.




WTF? You have to learn to get more aggressive, damnit!! You've got the fucking ball in your hands, then you drop it?!

Dude, you should've made your move right damn there. The WORST possible scenario would be her not kissing you back, turn her head, whatever.

And then you'd have your answer right now.

The reason other bro's have a better chance with her is because she doesn't know them. She knows you've had a chance and didn't act on it.

I suggest you make a move soon and see where you stand.

If you wait for the 'perfect' time to do this, you'll be way too late.


Good luck, my brother.
 

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Originally posted by The Nice Guy is Gone
I make direct eye contact with her--and wave her to come here.

she does;
me: Me and you should go out Saturday night
... because neither you, nor me, has any Saturday night plans. Well, at least, not ME. Don't know about you ...

Never ask a chick to go out Saturday night, unless she's your girlfriend and has been for a while.

This chick sounds like she's just hanging around with you because you are there and she's bored. You aren't any challenge.

You wave her over, and the first thing you do is beg for a date.

I also see that I have competition, as she is not with any ONE right now.
Wrong attitude. A DJ never sees himself as having competition.
 

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Aw, isn't that sweet?

She can't go out with you on Saturday because she has to do something involving her ex-boyfriend, and THEN you couldn't get any action because her CRUSH came over to see her! This relationship has SO MUCH POTENTIAL!!

Well, if you want to keep going down the road of "Non-Juan" with this one, keep going after this serial flirt! Because as we all know, any girl who rarely talks to you - even though she lives NEXT DOOR to you and could come over to talk to you at YOUR house whenever she wanted - definately has a high interest in you... staying away from her!

-Mr. Non-Juan
 

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Its amazing how some guys are so oblivious to the fact that a girl has NO interest in them, even though they think she might.

Dude, she doesn't want to hang out with u, and doesnt give u an alternate time.......she talks about ex's, doesn't make her IL completely known.

She's not interested........you're not aggressive enough. Your thinking too much about this, and she's not thinking about it at all.

Think about this. You're analyzing the situation btwn u and are, while she isn't b/c she's oblivious to your intentions.
 

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If she doesn't counter-offer a date then she isn't interested. I think you made a pretty good effort overall though. :)
 

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yo if you f-close this you will be so fuvking lucky. I never thought about it but damn how would it be fuvking your neighbor. Anytime yall both home just go next door knock her up and go back to your house. That sh!t would be nice,

Note to self make sure next time i move its next door a hb8+.
 

The Nice Guy is Gone

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Originally posted by Distant Light
yo if you f-close this you will be so fuvking lucky. I never thought about it but damn how would it be fuvking your neighbor. Anytime yall both home just go next door knock her up and go back to your house. That sh!t would be nice,

Note to self make sure next time i move its next door a hb8+.
this s#it made me laugh. Well, I have taken quite a bit from this. These replies seem to give mixed advice. So, here's the deal. She has become a challenge--and I love challenges. I will play this my way, taking heed with the advice on this thread. I do appreciate evereyone's replies. Catch, constructive critcisim it is, though you did bust my ba11s--I needed it though. I fukked up last night, but that just makes this more interesting.

Some of your points are very well, and if, in fact, she is not interested, I guees I'll just have to make her interested. If she already is, we shall see. Anyway, those of you who have replied have made me look at this an entirely different way than I did when I wrote it. I will keep you updated when I do take her out. I don't know how long that will be, because I like what the first guy said about laying low for a while. Not to mention, I do have plans for tonight, and Sunday. I was a complete AFC when I first met this chic--now, regardless of what happens, I'm not. I may have done some stupid AFC things last night, but I am nowhere near as bad as I used to be. I have approached complete hb's, and gotten their numbers.

In this case, I find it a challenge, and I am going to go for it; it's just a matter of when. If she turns me down again, oh well; and, next--I know some of you are going to say she has nexted me, already--that's another reason I want to go for it--I want to know how much I have actually learned, and if I can play this particular game right, that would be awesome.

The last guy who replied--you say lucky; nah, not luck; I'm either that dam good, or I just suck with this one.

So, who wants to support me as I travel through this endeavor known as hbneighbor. As I post threads, the title will be, hbneighbr, field report #...

You get the idea.
 
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