I need some input

bengboy

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This is my first post, I've been coming to sosuave almost every afternoon to read the articles, and just discovered the forum a couple days ago. So here's my question:

I hang out with this girl named Elizabeth. She's 19, blonde, and lots of fun. When we first met her IL was obviously high, but as an AFC struggling to incorporate PUA principles, I fumbled the ball and watched her slip out of reach (flaking on me whenever I wanted to hang out, dating other guys, etc.) I know what I did wrong: on several occasions the moment was right but I never had the balls to snag that first kiss. She knew I was attracted to her, and no hot girl respects a wuss, right David D?
Moving on. She called me recently and wanted to hang out. At one point she was talking to her mom on the phone, and when she told her that we were hanging out, I heard the voice on the other end say, "I thought you said he was obnoxious and didn't like him anymore." Ouch. I played it cool even when I heard her mom ask, "Oops did he hear me?" and Liz said "Yeah." Talk about an awkward moment! Liz then went on to tell her mom (and me on a later occasion) that she'd changed her mind and decided I was "all right" now. Probably because I finally stopped chasing her like a dumb chump.
Anyhow, I've continued to play it cool, not as a means to an end, but because I'm finally starting to incorporate the correct mindset when it comes to girls. And Liz has been pursuing me. NOW FOR THE QUESTION.
She always mentions other guys. For instance one morning, an hour before she was coming to my house, she texted me "I'm meeting a cute boy today. What should I wear?" I couldn't tell if she was referring to me or not. Because she'll often tell me about this or that guy in her life. I'm wondering if that's an attempt to make me jealous and prove to me that she's in hot demand, or is she trying to tell me that she only wants to be friends?
I have one more question. Because I started out as an AFC with her, I'm finding it hard to break out of the Friend Zone. Last night when we hung out I made sure to kino her several times, but she didn't seem to respond to it much. Perhaps it's too late, and if not, what's my move? Thanks guys.
 

G Rambo34

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sounds like shes testing you to see if you truly are "all right" now. the key here is to realize that if she is going to be playing games like this, give her a taste of her own medicine. i mean play around with her. dont always respond to her communication attempts. subtly mention other girls but dont make it obvious that you are attepting to make her jealous otherwise she will move on. act like she isnt a top priority and that you have 24 other girls to choose from. as for your other question. if she doesnt notice you touching her then just keep doing it. if she DId respond, it could mean she was actually annoyed by it and didnt think of you that way. but if she just accepted it she could just be another trick. good luck
 

bengboy

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I have no emotional attachment to this girl. At most she's an experiment. I want to see if I can get out of the friends zone. One detail I forgot to mention...when we first started hanging out again I was getting a really bad vibe from her and it was so uncomfortable I actually mentioned it...but at the end of the night I thought to myself "screw it" and told her I wanted to kiss her. We made out for a couple minutes then I excused myself. But I haven't had contact like that with her since. I don't know if she's hanging out with me because she wants to ****...she definitely USED to but I was a big ***** and did nothing...or like you say she may well just be looking for validation.
 

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The only thing that could possibly save you is for her to see you with other girls and you start talking about other girls.
 
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