everywomanshero said:
If you look at most supposed PUAs, do you see anything weird going on? Google images of Tyler Durden, Mystery, etc. Therein lies your first clue.
Most men assume they have less value to a woman than day old fish. Therefore, they think they need to do something to impress her. Call it whatever you wish, what they are trying to do is entertain & impress the woman without going so overboard that she calls them out on it.
I think all of this can be OK for newbs who want to see that it is possible to co-construct almost any kind of reality in conversation with a woman, but as far as being necessary or sufficient conditions for seduction, IMO that's total BS.
It is not necessary to do any of these things to have great interactions with women. These guys think it is beause they are suffering from feelings of inferiority. They think they have to do something to be as good as the guys who women "naturally" are attracted to. So they try to watch other gys and copy attitudes, stories, etc. It's actually kind of sad, it reminds of those old, badling guys who are buying junk bonds & real estate after attenting some motivational seminar. So instead of buying swamp land in FL, now you have guys spending their savings hoping for some magic tricks to seduce women.
Second it is clearly not sufficient for maintaining relationships. If you look at what most PUAs say and then what really happens there is a striking contrast. Go on youtube and see pictures of women Mystery actually had relationships with. While some of them are attractive, many are just average at best. Would a man who had women knocking down his door really date an unattractive woman? If these conditions are sufficient for maintaing harems of women, why doesn't Mystery have 3 regular hotties. Hell even that old man Huh Hefner has that an he's like 80. The sad truth is Hugh Heffner at 80 has more going for him than any of these PUAs in their 30s. lol.
I'm not saying that their info is valueless, but as Gurus most of them tend to fall short of the mark. I think it's best to view these kinds of idealogies as stepping stones on the way to being normal rather than as an end goal of remaining weird but trying to be interesting.
My compliments on such a wonderful post, things that I've been trying to say but you say it so much better.
They're not gurus, they are individuals who know how to con people. There is nothing to stop anyone setting themselves up as a "guru" and claim themselves as one, and there are no impartial governing bodies that verify such claims. I am sure for a few hundred dollars an hour you too can get the services of attractive actresses/models to pose as your previous conquests for the duration of the seminar day.
They do say something of value, but then again anyone can say something of value unless they are totally retarded.
Sandow said:
if your mission is to get laid alot, then u should probably follow the life of a PUA. Yea its fake, dishonest and deceitful, but i think the results outweigh the negatives.
These PUA are not what they claim they are. Far from it. They need a product to sell, and what better way to do so than give you hope. If you are experienced and socially adjusted enough you will see through all their snake oil salesmanship.
I think getting a
particular person to be attracted to you is probably asking too much of life, in fact it's tantamount to forcing someone's will to your own will. That cannot be a good thing, and as a selfish biological individual with your own agenda (that being of your own survival first before all others) that CANNOT be allowed to happen. What the PUAs are claiming to do would be like me saying I can force you to fall in love with anyone
I want. I know as an absolute certainty that you will
never allow me to
impose my will on you like that, so how do you expect any woman to allow you to do that to her?
What happens in real life is that women give you signs whether they like you or not, or respond to signs from you (whoever initiated does not matter than much). You then decide what you want to do about it. If a woman makes up her mind that she doesn't want anything to do with you, believe me, nothing will happen, no matter what you do. If she does want something to do with you she will ALLOW you to get to know her better.
I suppose it's all the rejection and pain from past experiences that makes quite a lot of men desperate, and hence susceptible to give the PUAs a try, only to find out that people like Mystery, DeAngelo, Strauss etc . . . were only after their money.
