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Dude, listen to yourself. You've got a massive, infected, serious case of one-itis. This girl eats, sleeps, and gets the squirts just like all of us. You're placing way too much importance on one girl. Forget about girls for a little while. Go out, have fun, develop yourself, and lose the neediness. I know it's harder than it sounds, but it's the only way. Good luck.
 
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Drmeathead, don't be a meathead! You are obviously lonely and reaching to your past for comfort! Don't do it - this is a weak attempt to seek companionship...look elsewhere!
 
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Boy, drmeathead, you've definitely got one SERIOUS case of one-itis and to make it worse, you're an AFC. Not a good combo.

I can relate though, because I was in your position not long ago. Mine was such that I got along unbelievably with this girl, we met through mutual friends over the internet, and we didn't have any relationship outside the internet. I had this girl e-mailing me, IMing me whenever she had the chance. It was nice, because she was so sweet.

Then one day I go see her, and watched a movie with her at her place. Never watched a movie on a first date before, even when I was younger. This was the first time. Now I know why people say don't do that. I didn't think it would be a big deal, but once the movie started, I realized that it's a total problem since you can't talk, so it's a little on the boring side unless it's a movie you have both never seen. She saw this one and I didn't and she was making me see it. So that's a tip, no movies on the first date.

Anyways, it was a nice evening, I cuddled up with her and had my arm around her the entire evening and we held hands the whole time. But the main problem is that this girl has some issues. She is one of those girls who is really afraid of getting hurt, so she pushes people away so that it doesn't happen. We had a sweet kisses before I left, and that was it.

The next day, I IMed her and told her I enjoyed the evening and she said she enjoyed it too. She seemed distant and didn't talk nearly as much as before. She told me she was really afraid, and had to be friends with people because of it. That's when I should have backed off, but instead, I sort of pressed her by asking what was going on. Needless to say, it didn't help and I got ignored more. It got pretty lame because I e-mailed her and didn't get much response.

To avoid making this too long (it already is), I wrote her an e-mail a few days ago after totally cutting off all contact with her for like a week. The e-mail responded to her whole "friends" thing, and I told her as clear as possible that I didn't want to get into a relationship with her at all, and she could rest assured that I won't be seeking that from her. I really just wanted to be her friend though, because this gal has a few too many issues and isn't relationship material at the moment. That's why I just moved on to other women now, and I'm treating this girl as a friend because we got along so well. I got a reply from her, and we confirmed that we were only going to be friends, and that's it.

I know you don't want to hear it, but I don't see your situation as any different. This gal will not likely be romantically attracted to you again, at least not anytime soon, so the only chance you have is to just LJBF her and make it totally clear that you're not looking for more. Beware though, if you even TRY to make a move on her, she's gone for good, because then you would have really lost not only her interest, but her trust. You're probably better off moving on completely since you still have feelings for this girl. What I said only works if you can not see her as anything but a platonic friend.
 
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Past oneitis huh....
 

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i agree with the one i tis thing but i am def not AFC. I have not trouble meeting other girls or hooking upw ith them for that matter but i am just stuck on this one. since things have gone to **** with this girl (about 6 months ago) i have probably "tried out" atleast a dozen other girls. thats not bad considering my school and my knee limited me a good bit of the time.

i just i am stuck on her becuase i just want to settle down. she was the best prospect i have come across. i thought it was locked on and then all of a sudden she just stopped talking to me. like the song says " forgetting you is easy, i do it atleast 1000 times a day".
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I get where you're coming from, but trying to e-mail her and explain to her that you are not AFC is AFC. I understand you just want to settle down, but I guess that's the most difficult thing to convey to a girl, because they are suspicious by nature. It's a double-edged sword. Being the type of guy they'd like to settle down with may at the same time turn them off to you. Girls don't look for some crazy abusive guy to spend the rest of their lives with on purpose. But at the same time, they don't want some guy showing so much affection so quickly that they are viewed as desperate or manipulative.

Like I said, one of the only ways you're going to get to even SEE her again, and that's a MAYBE is if you just tell her you'd like to keep it as friends and that's it. This is basically the last resort, but you're pretty much at the end of your line right now, so you don't have much choice. Any other move you make will just dig you deeper into that hole. It would have been a different story if you were not like that in the beginning and you guys had a long relationship prior to taking it to the next level, but you seemed to come out of the gates firing on all cylinders. That's too fast, and I think your desire to settle down sort of shot you in the foot.
 

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She won't come running back to you after that E-mail. She probably has another man by now, one who COULD get the job done. So get that idea out of your head.

Once you do that, if you still want to send the E-mail, then send it. :)
 

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i did email her like 2 months ago. i got no response whether she got it or not i dont know. it was an email address i got off the school site. i never had gotten any response from an email i sent there in times of good or bad.

i am half thinking of calling her. i dont know. i dont want to bug her out but if she did like me till i turned AFC, maybe she will be glad to hear from me?

PRL,

it is more a question of why cant i get her out of my present and make her my past. i dont go back to girls i have nexted. example being i saw a girl i took out and she was a real pain. i didnt even speak to her. this girl i am asking about, however, i cant bring myself to next this one for some reason.
 

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drmeathead, I think you can't get her out of your mind because in your mind, nothing bad happened between you. I am a believer that all relationships must end badly or else there's no reason to end them at all.

You can be friends, but again, that will be totally a mutual thing where neither side has any interest in anything romantic from the other. That's not your case apparently. You can't help but dwell on how things were going so well between you two and now she's not talking to you. You had a picture of you two living happily ever after and that vision has been squashed.

The only way you're going to get over it is to continue meeting other women and forget about this girl, or else find something about her that you didn't like, and focus on it. That may dispel any fantasy you have in your head of her being the perfect mate for you.
 

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Ok... You've been receiving what is in my opinion, good advice, but you're not acting on it. I would suggest go ahead and do what you think your meathead mind wants and we'll see you back here in a months time. Email her, call her, think about her, worship her, let it screw your life up. Let the pain and hurt well up inside you to the point where you wanna.... well, we won't go there.

That way, when you come back here, you;ll come back with a conviction to change your ways. Right now, you don't wanna change so we can't help you.

After you come back, start reading all the past posts in this forum. It'll be enlightening to say the least..
 

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dude mac,
i did most of this stuff before i found this site. like i said i know better but like becker said there was no bad breakup. so i was just left there. that is worse than a bad break up in my opinion. like i have said all along i understand a "lets be friends, i need space, i like to your best friend, etc". i have been looking for other girls. i have no problem meeting them, trust me. i tell my parents all the time the only girl i met that i like since i been out here wants nothing to do with me. the ones i dont care about i run into all the time.


becker,

your words really hit me. it has been what i have been thinking for along time. the fact there was no bad break up (no me getting caught lying or cheating) definitely made this come out of no where. this girl was a keeper. i was hooked after about 20 minutes into the date. i remember after talking with her on the phoen that i hope she wasnt ugly because i really liked her. (blind date).

the timing for everything was awful. i had so much stuff going on. alot of pressure that you wouldnt under stand unless you went through. i lost 5 grand in loans. i messed up my knee really bad. you name it i did. she had problems too. her dad was having heart surgery, she was wroking and taking a full load of classes. her roommates kicked her out.

my point is i am done in a little bit with everything. i will actually have some down time. is it worth, 6 months later, to call her up? if so what do i say? or do i have to just buck up and deal with the fact that the girl i saw myself with for good gets away due to really bad timing? if she really didnt like me she would have told me so directly when i sent her those flowers. she wouldnt have said to call.

and yes i realize that i was AFC while under all this stress. i realize that it may be AFC to still like this girl. thanks
 

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drmeathead,

The reason why I can relate so well with you is because my situation was almost exactly like yours. No bad breakup, the girl just lost interest, and it was totally bad timing for both of us as well, and that was the main factor that screwed up everything. Anyways, needless to say, I wasn't thinking straight when I got mixed up with this girl, and I acted very uncharacteristically when I met her. It was all a bit uncomfortable actually, for both of us.

Anyways, like I said, you need to get this whole thing out of your head that she's the one for you. I'll bet in the end, she really isn't, it's just that you're blinded by the situation, and it really sucks that nothing bad happened, otherwise it would obviously have been easier. I got over mine pretty quick though, because I tend to move on to other women pretty fast. I just got the digits for this totally hot 3rd grade teacher today, she was one of those 3rd grade teachers that we all wish we had, but that's another story.

So get yourself back in the game, don't give up, you'll find another girl out there for you, even though you haven't already. I think you need to give it a chance. There are more compatible people out there than it seems. Where are you from anyways?
 

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I am back in the game. I have met other girls. I have asked out other girls. I have hooked up with other girls. I really dont have a problem with that.

My problem is that I was hooked on this one after about 20 minutes. I was in. I just hate to think that circumstance may have dictated things. Even when I sent her flowers a month after things went south I managed to pick the week her dad had open heart surgery and she was away from work and with him at home. When she finally got them I was in the hospital myself with a severe knee injury.


She never has told me to "go away". You would think that at some point she would have if she didnt ever really like me. Especially with the flowers, one would think I would have gotten a "Thanks for the flowers but I am seeing some body" or " Thanks for the flowers but I just dont things will work out between us" Instead I got a thanks you and she told me to call her. The note I put with the flowers was VERY clear to only call if she wanted to start over.

I realize it is also very true that if she was dying to get back with me she knows where to find me. Maybe she thinks I am mad or not interested in her? Maybe she was just too busy.

I dont know what I am going to do. The worst that can happen is she tells me to go away (then I know for good)
 

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First off, I have to say that the worst thing she can do is not to tell you to go away, because you're so smitten by her that it will probably crush you. You don't want to hear that, because if you did, you would have also moved on and stopped thinking about her. Anybody can sense that. I'd be willing to bet that she is trying to find a way to not only let you go, but do it so that she doesn't hurt you. That's the reason for the "call me" at the end of the note, just to try to stay away from any conflict.

One thing I've realized is that women are hardly direct in what they say. They always try to be friends with everyone and make as few enemies as possible. They don't enjoy conflict either. It's probably one of the top things on their list, which is why they take things slower than men. If they feel that there is a possibility that they're going to get hurt or hurt someone else, they'd rather cushion the fall before it happens, sort of a precautionary measure/defense mechanism.

This gal that I'm talking about has all sorts of stuff going on, and to me, I see them as largely an excuse, but of course you have to judge it based on what you know about the girl. Is she very independent? Is she very needy? Is she a player? If she's needy, for example, she will be the type that will try to let you off easy because she probably identifies with the pain of liking someone and not having them reciprocate, whereas if she's the type that is very independent, then she will probably be more straightforward with you.

Haven't you ever noticed that you will think for other people, and when you do, you use your own reasoning more likely than you would use theirs? Heck, you even did it here, when you assumed that she would just tell you to get lost if you gave her the flowers. I'd have to think that you know her pretty well to be able to assume she would do that. Girls act in unpredictable ways, and unless you knew this girl for all your life, you probably can't say what she would or wouldn't do. Being that things didn't go bad, she probably wants to find some way to keep you as a friend rather than lose you. Girls can do that more readily than guys.

A girl's social circle is important for her. Think about it, even when we were in elementary school, junior high, or high school. In P.E., if we were choosing for sports, girls chose the teams based on their friends. Guys chose them based on the best players even if it wasn't their friends. This means that a girl places a high value on friendship, maybe even more so than a relationship, compared to a guy. Problem is that she doesn't want to breach that friendship while the guy may want to, which I guess makes sense if you consider that the guy doesn't care if the girl is his friend, if she's the best match for him, then he wants her on his "team" so to speak.

Anyways, that's how the dynamic works. You don't have to like it, but you'll have to realize that that may be what's happening. So like I said before, the closest relationship you can probably have with this girl for now is a platonic friendship. It may end up being more a long ways down the line, but don't sit there waiting for it to happen, that's for sure.
 

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I understand what you are saying about girls not wanting to hurt feelings and staying friends.

That is why when I sent her the flowers I put a note with saying only call if you want to start over. She didnt call for a week because her dad was sick, I had written her off at that point. Then she called. She very easily could have let it go using the exucse that too much time had passed since the flowers were sent. When she did call she got my voicemail. She very easily could have said "see ya" to a non confrontational voice mail. At the very least just left it go at thanks for the flowers "bye".

Obviously went I did call back if she was really wanting to talk she would have called back. The fact that she didnt tell me to hit the road just makes me think that she wanted to leave the door open. She had alot going on. I did too. Now my semster is over.

If I actually ever ran into this girl Iwould just talk to her. That would make this too easy. I may. I havent yet. Calling her, I dont know. I dont want to freak her out. I know she def liked me till the **** hit the fan with her dad and till I got over stressed.

Does she remember that first date and her first impression? Wishing that things would have worked out different and it is too bad she never sees me. Or does she think I am just a total AFC ass-clown who cant take a hint? I dont know. Ideally the former, but realistically I think she thinks the latter but I dont know.
 

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drmeathead, I was talking to a friend of mine who told me a story that you'd probably be quite interested in as well.

Basically, it has to do with the exact same thing that we've gone through. The internet thing, then meet in person and the girl freaks out, not wanting to see the guy again. The ending was different in that they eventually got together and are now engaged. Crazy story, I don't want to give you a false sense of security, but just telling you that this stuff may sometimes work out, it depends. It did take them like 6 months or something after their meeting to even re-establish anything. My friend also told me that his friend who did this was pretty persistent. I may talk with them sometime after this coming week about it, it will be an interesting story.
 

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I finally ran into this girl saturday night. I didnt get a chance to talk with her though. My ride left before I got a chance. She definitly looked right at me as she walked by though. She sorta smiled, I had to go before I could get a better read. Here are the details.



I had been going to this resturaunt to eat all semester. It is right off campus near the library. This girl I am after has a friend who bartends there. I got talking to her after going to this place every couple of days for about two months. I was waiting for my car to be repaired so I sat att he car adn watched the baseball game on tv. I chatted with this bartender friend. Nothing serious, just small talk with hints of flirts that usuallly comes with bartenders/servers.

Anyway I was out last Thursday with my friend at this bar. The ****tail waitrress comes over asks me if I went to Va Tech. I was like sorry no. She thought she knew me. Then she comes over again and tells me her friend knows me. I go over and talk to this bartender and she invites me to her party saturday night.

I go. I knew this girl I have been smitten by and this bartender are friends. I dont think they knew I did. I rhead over with two of my friends. We meet and greet this bartender and are left to fend for our selves. This girl I sent the flowers to shows up. She talks with the bartender girl and then walks right towards me and my friends. She looked right at me and sorta smiled. I didnt know if it was a hi smile or a "WTF are you doing here smile".

I didnt push it wit hher then. I wasnt gonig to run right up to this girl and be like hey. I wanted to atleast get antoher read on her. Well before I could my ride calls me from outside the bar and tells me and the other guy that he is leaving. (He was being AFC and following some girl right to another bar, right then, no wating). So I atleast went and said goodbye to the bartender girlt hat invited us. Then I was out of there.

It turned out that some (not the girl I wanted to see of course) of the people from the previous party came to this bar. One of the bartender girls friends came up to me while on her way to the bathroom and told me that all the girls think I am hot.

Since my AFC friend promised a post game party at my house and I was needed to even out the numbers I was unable to nail down this bartendr girl or even the friend that told me I was hot. I did tell the bartender girl I would call her beofre she left town.


Ok now for my questions...Girls talk. right? Since I am that "hot guy" that this bartender girl had been eyeing up all summer that raises my value with the girl I have been chasing. Since I didnt run like an AFC over to her and kiss her ass but instead stayed away and looked good and got good press that wins me points. Right? Whats my move now? Do I go hook up with this bartender girl in an attempt to raise my stock with the girl I am after? Or should I just call this girl and be like "hey I saw you out the other night my ride left before I got a chance to say hi" and find out where I am at? Or should I just do nothing and hope I see this girl out again but not at her friends party.
 

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Sorry but I can't get through the posts with the oneitis going on - it hurts. The more you think about her the more you will wreck it without even knowing it.

My best advise having been there as well - if she interested in the "new" you she will find a way back into your life in some subtle way. If you try to make her come back into your life you will fail.

Its really about first being happy with yourself and not needing any particular women in your life to make you complete.
 

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Hey drmeathead,

Nice to see you back. My friend is still at the bachelor party, so he won't be getting back to me until maybe a week or so.

Anyways, how is the bartender girl? I think it's in your favor that they find you hot, and the word will likely get back to the girl. Jealousy is quite a powerful thing. However, I wouldn't keep my hopes up about the girl you like just because if you do, you'll be kicking yourself if nothing happens.

Seems like you should get on with the other women, since you're doing well apparently with them. I know it's not the same, and you need some sort of closure, which will make it tougher, but you'll have to just keep it cool like you've been doing for now.
 
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This girl sees you again after months of seperation and doesn't even talk to you? HUH?? What does this tell you?

She knows you like her so there is nothing more that you have to do!! It doesn't matter how much you like a woman it is not going to change the outcome - she plainly doesn't want your company!!

To initiate any contact with her will nake you look desperate and foolish!! Do not do this!

DATE HER FRIENDS - the best looking ones!!!!!!
 
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