I ****ing hate women

[TheMonkeyKing]

Most females seem to view me as the quiet, nice guy type.

Hating women because they're not attracted to your current persona is a place that most here have come from. However, that doesn't mean your mindset and outlook is correct.

'Hatered' is completely the wrong stance to tackle this thing from. You admit as much yourself that your current state is everything that most women find repellent; 'quiet and nice'.

Personally, I love women. The right women. Nowadays, women who don't fit my requirements, which granted is most, are very much inconsequential to me. That doesn't mean I hate them. In fact, I generally feel nothing for them.

The whole point of this forum is to grow and learn. And yes, though some will ridicule me for saying so, if you want to start attracting women, you will have to change yourself, especially mentally and emotionally.

Coming from a position of hating the object of your desire will not cause them to come to you. To be fair, at the moment, you are not desirable to women, not with that negative mindset. And deep down, you know it yourself. Your self esteem is rock bottom, which is 90 percent of the problem, not women as a species.

Rewire your mind to have a positive outlook toward yourself in the first instance and you will be amazed at the night and day difference of how women and people in general react to you.

 

[HiLite]

Hating women because they're not attracted to your current persona is a place that most here have come from. However, that doesn't mean your mindset and outlook is correct.

'Hatered' is completely the wrong stance to tackle this thing from. You admit as much yourself that your current state is everything that most women find repellent; 'quiet and nice'.

Personally, I love women. The right women. Nowadays, women who don't fit my requirements, which granted is most, are very much inconsequential to me. That doesn't mean I hate them. In fact, I generally feel nothing for them.

The whole point of this forum is to grow and learn. And yes, though some will ridicule me for saying so, if you want to start attracting women, you will have to change yourself, especially mentally and emotionally.

Coming from a position of hating the object of your desire will not cause them to come to you. To be fair, at the moment, you are not desirable to women, not with that negative mindset. And deep down, you know it yourself. Your self esteem is rock bottom, which is 90 percent of the problem, not women as a species.

Rewire your mind to have a positive outlook toward yourself in the first instance and you will be amazed at the night and day difference of how women and people in general react to you.

I said they view me as the nice guy type. I didn't claim to be one, haha.

Anyway, I don't think there is an objectively "correct" mindset or outlook on this. I know a few guys who hate women and still get laid often. It's not impossible. I agree that low self-esteem is an issue for me, but I think the notion that women somehow know I hate them is completely ridiculous. If anything, I just seem aloof to them.

Another thing I don't get with you guys who preach about "changing yourself"... do you actually believe you're in control when you completely reinvent yourself to impress women? Just a thought. I mean, I can understand faking it to get what you want. But otherwise, it's pretty clear who's really running the game. Personally, I wouldn't want to give women more power than they already have in this gynocentric society.

 

[HiLite]

For you, the benefits are absolutely enormous compared to just SOME effort needed. Your whole identity is wrapped up in your virginity.

Yeah, that's another way of looking at it. But then, maybe I am really better off just paying for it.

I guess I also feel like the risk is too high. I don't think I could handle rejection in my current state.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

K. I'll respond generally try to elaborate on previous points....

What you actually said was that women 'seem' to perceive you as quiet and nice. If that's the way that you interpret their perception, neither you nor they are likely too far from the truth.

Changing yourself means a complete overhaul of your life and your outlook towards it. At the moment, your consideration of your virginity and attracting women seems to be a primary consideration to your existence and personal success.

By overhaul/change, I don't mean changing for the sake of attracting women. Your primary consideration should be enjoying your life and success FOR YOURSELF. This is what feeds your self esteem, not fcking women.

I do not advocate 'change' for the sake of other people. No way. What I am saying is changing, improving yourself will feed your self esteem primarily, which is THE priority. It just so happens that a secondary consequence of that improvement and increased self esteem will be improved social dynamics.

This is nothing too controversial, new, nor something you couldn't have found out by reading the available material.

You have a lot of learning to do sausage, regards the nature of women and how to behave around them. But if you place emphasis on other things than getting laid, there's a much better chance you will actually get what you WANT, not what you are in NEED of right now.

 

[HiLite]

What you actually said was that women 'seem' to perceive you as quiet and nice. If that's the way that you interpret their perception, neither you nor they are likely too far from the truth.

It's a little more complicated than that with social anxiety. See, I'm always hiding in plain sight. The disorder makes it extremely difficult for me to actually be myself, so no one sees the real me.

if you place emphasis on other things than getting laid, there's a much better chance you will actually get what you WANT, not what you are in NEED of right now.

yeah, no doubt. The obstacle for me right now is figuring out how to stop feeling like crap about this issue. I find that I can only stay focused on other things (e.g. personal goals) for a short period of time. I'm okay for like a week and then I end up falling back into feeling extremely depressed an angry.

why did you call me "sausage" btw? lol

 

[sazc]

New member here. No idea if this is the right section or if it's even relevant to this forum at all. I guess I just need to vent and any other forum I post this on would probably ban me because apparently free speech no longer exists on the internet.

Anyway, I really ****ing hate women. I'm a virgin in my mid-20s and I've suffered with severe social anxiety for almost a decade. I never really bothered to approach females because I've always felt that I wasn't good enough for them, and I have an extreme fear of rejection. Since I started high school, my life has been unbearably lonely and depressing because of this. At this point, I'm just really angry about it - sometimes to the point of feeling suicidal. I feel so cheated out of life.

I'm not looking for a relationship with these parasites. I mean, if it happens, then great. But I really just wanna **** around. I don't think it's possible for me to be happy in a relationship with the toxic sluts I'm surrounded by every day. They're only good for one thing. Now, I've never been directly rejected by females (I wouldn't put myself in that kind of situation). They've always either ignored me or given off subtle signs of contempt (i.e. through facial expressions, body language, tone of voice). I assume it's because of my low social status. Despite my anxiety, I think I have decent social skills and my appearance is okay.

I just wish I could eliminate this overwhelming need for validation from women. I wish I could completely kill my sex drive. It's torture feeling like this every day. I hate the fact that these *****s can control my emotions like this without even interacting with me. At this point, I'm seriously considering paying for it... I just don't know how to go about it safely.

Hugs!
Nothing wring with paying for it, agreed, just get a quality escort and dont fall into affection with her.
Let me also point out that you need to be mindful of the females that ARE chatting with you. Dont let looks stop you, look for shared interests and let it go slowly and naturally. idk if the DJ bible would boost your confidence but read more posts/pages and see if you can use some of that to help boost our self esteem.
Good luck

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

why did you call me "sausage" btw? lo

Sausage is just a way of saying 'friend' or 'mate' where I'm from. Nothing personal.

I will respond at length tomorrow when I have access to a proper keyboard.

All I'll say for now is that you best get used to the idea of being the primary influence in your own recovery.

I've not got time for half hearted weaklings nor trolls. Fix up, look sharp, pay attention, and you'll be grand.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

It's a little more complicated than that with social anxiety. See, I'm always hiding in plain sight. The disorder makes it extremely difficult for me to actually be myself, so no one sees the real me.

yeah, no doubt. The obstacle for me right now is figuring out how to stop feeling like crap about this issue. I find that I can only stay focused on other things (e.g. personal goals) for a short period of time. I'm okay for like a week and then I end up falling back into feeling extremely depressed an angry.

Right then here's the tough love part. Take it or leave it.

As I always promote, when faced with a problem, there's only ever two choices: if something can be done to change the situation, then do it; if nothing can reasonably be done about it, then acceptance is the only other option. For example, if you want to lose weight, you can reasonably do things to achieve that - eat less, exercise more. If on the other hand you want to be taller, well sausage, that's more one for the acceptance file. .... you get the idea.

It's about being logical and pragmatic. It's about less of the wishy-washy emotions, feeling hard-done-by and more of the doing things.

In the current climate, men are being disenfranchised by society. Don't get me wrong, I get that. What myself and many others are doing is taking it back. I could sit on my a$$ like you all day, feeling sorry for myself; we all could.....

Instead, I go out with my friends, which I have found, all by myself, I go to the gym to stimulate endorphines and be in shape, play sports for competition and camaraderie with other guys, and when I go out and meet a girl I like, I tease her a bit and ask her to go out for a drink. It's really that simple.

Regards social anxiety.....
You know what's dangerous? Going to war is dangerous. Handling venomous animals, as a friend of mine does, is dangerous. Fighting fires and apprehending criminals is dangerous.

You know what's not dangerous? Approaching women. Going up, talking to a woman, even being rejected poses absolutely no thread to your personal safety WHATSOEVER (unless of course she's seriously mentally unstable). And don't give me any of this obvious 'easier-said-than-done' bullsh!t. You know, excuses are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they all stink. If some bird rejects me nowadays, you know, my reaction is like, it's her loss. I know I'm a decent guy, so it's her mistake. And I'm done. Who cares. I'm gonna find a better one soon anyway.

Start by holding very brief conversations with people during the day. People you encounter anyway - colleagues, shop keepers, waiting staff, bar staff, anyone. It doesn't have to last more than ten seconds, but you have to start somewhere.

Remove the investment from the conversation and it will flow more easily. By that I mean don't expect to necessarily get anything from it; equally don't care what the other person thinks - it doesn't matter. What they think can't harm you.

Time to stop being a woe-is-me whiny little b!tch and man up sausage.

You'll thank me one day.

 

[ubercat]

Is this social anxiety label you ve placed on yourself really helpful? If you recharge by spending time on your own you could be an introvert. Or maybe it was just a busy week. Or maybe your exerting a lot of energy changing behaviours and learning the things you need to know to progress. I work in i t. I know plenty of guys who were geeky and introverted and taught themselves how to socialise. Choose positive mindsets which empower you not labelled which limits you.

 

[Phobos]

You don't hate women. You hate yourself—for your fear, and your inability to hide it from them. Conquer your fears and you will conquer women.

 

[Trump]

Anyway, I really ****ing hate women. I'm a virgin in my mid-20s and I've suffered with severe social anxiety for almost a decade. I never really bothered to approach females because I've always felt that I wasn't good enough for them, and I have an extreme fear of rejection. Since I started high school, my life has been unbearably lonely and depressing because of this. At this point, I'm just really angry about it - sometimes to the point of feeling suicidal. I feel so cheated out of life.

I'm not looking for a relationship with these parasites. I mean, if it happens, then great. But I really just wanna **** around. I don't think it's possible for me to be happy in a relationship with the toxic sluts I'm surrounded by every day. They're only good for one thing. Now, I've never been directly rejected by females (I wouldn't put myself in that kind of situation). They've always either ignored me or given off subtle signs of contempt (i.e. through facial expressions, body language, tone of voice). I assume it's because of my low social status. Despite my anxiety, I think I have decent social skills and my appearance is okay.

If you are lonely and fear rejection and can't approach them, how do you know they are "toxic sluts?" They haven't spoken to you.

I just wish I could eliminate this overwhelming need for validation from women. I wish I could completely kill my sex drive. It's torture feeling like this every day. I hate the fact that these *****s can control my emotions like this without even interacting with me. At this point, I'm seriously considering paying for it... I just don't know how to go about it safely.

Can't tell if this is real.

You guys can go to the store and buy a computer, get wireless hooked up, find this site, register and login. And then come in and say "I absolutely cannot talk to any girl under any circumstances." It's a little too contrived.

If it is, yes pay for it. But if you can't talk to the girl how are you going to know how much to pay her?

 

[corrector]

If it is, yes pay for it. But if you can't talk to the girl how are you going to know how much to pay her?

That's easy. Many escorts advertise their price right on the internet. When I dealt with these escorts, they couldn't speak English very well, so I didn't have to worry about talking to them very much apart from some very basic small talk. Once they took the money, then they went down to business I would have to stop them if I didn't feel comfortable with them (which I did in the first one). In both encounters I didn't even knock in the door and the escorts took the lead once the money was paid.

Anyway, it's easy to talk to a woman whose sole purpose there is to get you off and to please you. Of course the OP can talk to women. He talks to his mother, sisters, cousins and probably if necessary in school, employment or business, he's not going to have a problem there too. The problem I believe is he can't talk to those where the interactions count to his ego and validation as a man. Why risk all of that if they are not taking him on in the first place like the other stud that has his pick on the litter? Best not to bother.

 

[BigM]

This is just something a lot of guys is struggling with. Do no fap and your channel your frustration to something useful. Feeling angry is sometimes a good thing if you do something about it. Try to focus all that frustration and sexual energy into making money or going to the gym. Also, meditation is recommended.


As far as understanding where all this comes from, I personally believe that men can't really hate women. They can disrespect them and all but not hate. Let me ask you this if you were ****ing hot chick every other day, would you still hate them? Be honest with yourself, probably not. Loving women is necessary for a good game.


My advice is to chill off for months and focus on other things. Be angry at women, but instead of ranting here, go to the gym or do something useful for yourself.

 

[wifehunter]

I feel that way, when I'm off center. Some time away from the chickies, is a good thing. It's temporary, and may have to do with strength/weakness. Build yourself up with friends or cool stuff.

 

[HiLite]

Is this social anxiety label you ve placed on yourself really helpful? If you recharge by spending time on your own you could be an introvert. Or maybe it was just a busy week. Or maybe your exerting a lot of energy changing behaviours and learning the things you need to know to progress. I work in i t. I know plenty of guys who were geeky and introverted and taught themselves how to socialise. Choose positive mindsets which empower you not labelled which limits you.

Label? lol. It's an actual illness, bro.
I'm not "geeky" and I know how to socialize. I have anxiety, not autism, ffs. My issue is I'm scared to death of approaching/initiating conversation with women, and I honestly don't find socializing to be rewarding anymore.

You don't hate women. You hate yourself—for your fear, and your inability to hide it from them. Conquer your fears and you will conquer women.

idk about that.

Let me ask you this if you were ****ing hot chick every other day, would you still hate them?

probably, tbh. It would make me feel better about myself, no doubt. But I don't think I'd actually give a **** about them. I hear you on that advice though.

If you are lonely and fear rejection and can't approach them, how do you know they are "toxic sluts?" They haven't spoken to you.

past experiences and observations.