I have truly hit rock-bottom.

penkitten

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Originally posted by Stormbringer
penkitten, you obviously mean well, but it seems like you're suggesting to TZ he should just look at certain aspects of his situation in a different light and settle for just making the best of those, rather than changing those aspects. Particularly with the part about making a pad out of a basement/garage and that there's nothing wrong with meeting women on the internet. That's like telling the kid who didn't make the team that there's no shame in being equipment manager, rather than telling him he could make it if he works harder on his game.

honestly, i believe you cant totally change your life in the blink of the eye. you have to start small.
if the guy makes a bacholer pad in the basement, it wont last long. he will think , "oh the freedom i always wanted and deserved , but wait, i could have my own house!!"
then he can plan to fiancially do what he needs to do to follow that thru.
if he meets one chick from the web, perhaps he will meet up with her and like her. after that, who knows? maybe he will like interaction so much, he will come out of his shell and start talking to ladies everywhere.
everyone is different, and everyone needs advise on different levels at times.
this guy will do what he wants no matter what we suggest.
if he starts small , there isnt a big risk of failing.
if he starts big and fails, where does he go? back to moms house?
 

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women, jobs, moving out, etc.

none of that sh*t matters right now.

what matters is that he develop a life philsophy so that he can start to make his own choices and feel comfortable with those choices.

right now he's like pavlov's dogs and he's been zapped by life so much that he's in a state of helplessness.

no one has ever shown him how to tackle lifes issues and believe in himself. so THAT is the first step.

and a woman, a job, moving out, etc. won't provide him with that.

So he need to get some books about building self confidence, dealing with life's stresses, whatever.

he needs to build his own life philosophy and he needs to be able to see that life can, one day, be fine. in fact, i'd argue that its fine now. I'd actually argue that the most amazing time of his life is about to unfold - the moment of him reclaiming his life and becoming a man.

anyway, he does need to keep looking for a job and working out and everything else. But the biggest thing is he has to figure out what his life philosophy is - the context in which he sees all elements of his life and upon which makes his decisions and which drives him to take one step at a time towards the future life he wants.

J
 

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Originally posted by Stormbringer


TooCold, you have some generally good tips there, though you'd do well to notice how others were more tactful in their advice and drop the smug factor. Caring about one's mother/relatives doesn't make one a "mamma's boy." From what I see, TZ seems concerned with looking after his mom and aunt, rather than concerned with them looking after him. Plus, clinical depression doesn't make someone "creepy." The fact that he's on here looking for advice on getting out of that speaks well for him.

man, those weren't 'tips'. it was what this dude needs to do. and he asked for it straight up.

he's a mamma's boy to the extreme.
 

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Actually I lived at home for a long time. Saved money. Didn't have a problem dating per se.

But i did always feel a bit weird about it. Family is close though.

Total Zero i have alot of advice for you, do you have email that you send me so i can get you started offline.
 

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Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
man, those weren't 'tips'. it was what this dude needs to do. and he asked for it straight up.

he's a mamma's boy to the extreme.
TCU is right.

I've done some "research" on this kind of thing, and I qualify for the "mamma's boy" tag. i've got all the traits, which have manifested themselves in my limited relationships with women. I've supplicated greatly to them, have been clingy, chumpy, over-accomodating and approval-seeking for reassurance...you name it. This behavior stems from being a "mamma's boy."
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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First thing I would do is sit down and make a list of things that you would like to change about yourself. Get them on paper, and take care of them one at a time.

One year ago I did this, and I have accomplished alot. They could be physical features you want to change, or personal goals. I still have a long long way to go but i'm happier than I have ever been. Jeez, I'm 23, I didn't get laid until i was 21, and I was a total loser up until the age of 21. I had zero social life, no prospects nothing.

The turning point for me was meeting this girl, i went to get contact lenses to improve myself. Then it seems after that, I kept doing items on my personal list. Some are hard, some are pretty simple (get contacts).

What is your education level like?

First thing is this. Buy a couple new outfits, and buy stuff that you would not usually buy. You can get stuff for cheap at the gap, its good somewhat normal clothes. Get a casual outfit and get a more formal type business outfit to wear on job interviews.

You don't need to spend alot of bucks either. I can get two outfits at the gap for like 60-70 bucks. And its decent stuff. Even if you hate that look or whatever buy it anyways because its somewhat normal/neutral. Pick up some new undershirts, underwear, socks, the whole deal. Buy a cologne gift box at the dept store, and use it every day. 40 bucks goes a long way, i use curve.

Second thing is get a haircut. Again do a 180 degree change of what you normally do. Go to like a chain type place and just tell them you want a total change. I went from slicking my hair back like a loser to a more modern pushed forward kind of look. I get more compliments from girls than I ever have.

If you wear glasses, then lose them and get contact lenses. Another no brainer.

If you have any health/skin problems, then go to a doctor and get them taken care of.

Nope, even after all this you aren't ready to meet chics. Not even close.

Start looking on monster.com and careerbuilder for a job. And get a job! Even if its entry level, pushing papers for the man sounds better than 'i live with my parents and i'm unemployed'.

Ok once you get a full time job, get a gym membership and a buddy to go with you. Hit the gym for a few months, and devote yourself to it. Cardio plus trimspa, plus eating right and lifting, that will go a long way and you will feel better.

Next move out, get an apartment. I'm 23 and am just thinking of moving out now. Living at home is a game killer, not always but i hate it. Bringing girls to the basement of your moms house is creepy as f.

Shave your face dude, and look neat and tidy.

Make some guy friends at your job and start talking to girls. Just remember they want you as bad as you want them, and remember that. Guys get all nervous around girls, there will always be more girls. Don't be nervous around them, if they deny you just smile at them and ask her friend what her name is.
 
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