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Racialist? What is a racialist?

I'm afraid you falsely confuse pride with racism. I believe you are very prejudiced against anyone that shows a little respect for the people that came before us. And it's apparent that you are actually ashamed of you Spanish ancestry. EVERY people has committed terrible crimes. EVERY people.

Tell me, why are American Indians allowed to be proud? Why is Chuck Norris proud of his three drops of Indian blood?

And what is "sig hail"?
 

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Originally posted by Starman
are there any Jewish or hindi warriors? Just curious
There were some jews that did physically fight the Romans. And they are a very proud people. Why can't everyone feel some pride?

I don't know much about Indian culture. So, Hindi warriors? I don't know.
 

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Listen, it's not just about "warriors." I just used that as one example. It's also art, religion, the achievments, the mystery of a culture that is beautiful and unique.
 

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I'm afraid you falsely confuse pride with racism.
Some peoples pride can be a mask for other emotions.


I believe you are very prejudiced against anyone that shows a little respect for the people that came before us.
Not at all, everybody should be very proud of its ancestry, but do it in the privacy of their home.



And it's apparent that you are actually ashamed of you Spanish ancestry.
I am ashamed of some of the THINGS they did, not of what they where.



EVERY people has committed terrible crimes. EVERY people.
So Germans and Jews are the same right? oh please!!!



Tell me, why are American Indians allowed to be proud?
Because we took their land and killed most of their people, we confined them to reservations and destroyed their habitat, ALL THEY HAVE IS THEIR PRIDE.



And what is "sig hail"?
Probably your signature in another forum.
 

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Originally posted by MacDonald
There were some jews that did physically fight the Romans. And they are a very proud people. Why can't everyone feel some pride?

Let me see, you know about Jewish history, you know your Norse-Germanic background, you know about Slavs and their Viking connection, you know about WW2, you ask why Native americans and Jews can be very proud and you can't, you made little comments like you would "defend" any Italian, and at the same time you pretend to not know what Sig Hail means???

You are exposing what you are everytime you post.
 

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Some peoples pride can be a mask for other emotions.
And some are just proud. It's a shame that you are so mistrusting that you automatically assume the worst in people.

Not at all, everybody should be very proud of its ancestry, but do it in the privacy of their home.
That seems very sneaky. Why are you so afraid of pride? Have you ever been proud of you home team?

I am ashamed of some of the THINGS they did, not of what they where.
And guess what, I'm proud of the good things my ancestors did. I accept the bad things and learn from them.

So Germans and Jews are the same right? oh please!!!
How are they different in your mind? They're all humans, right? They both have unique cultures that they should be free to celebrate.

Because we took their land and killed most of their people, we confined them to reservations and destroyed their habitat, ALL THEY HAVE IS THEIR PRIDE.
And certain tribes did that to other tribes. ALL other peoples have faced a form of genocide at one time. By your own logic, then, ALL peoples are allowed to be proud.

Probably your signature in another forum.
Actually, in the only other forum I post in, my sig is a poem by Tolkien.
 
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Originally posted by jlujan
Let me see, you know about Jewish history, you know your Norse-Germanic background, you know about Slavs and their Viking connection, you know about WW2, you ask why Native americans and Jews can be very proud and you can't, you made little comments like you would "defend" any Italian, and at the same time you pretend to not know what Sig Hail means???

You are exposing what you are everytime you post.
I'm a history major. :rolleyes:

So I should know a little about history.

So now "defend" is some code word for secret desires?

I feel bad for you.

(honestly, I don't know what "sig hail" means)
 

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Originally posted by MacDonald
I'm a history major. :rolleyes:

So I should know a little about history.

So now "defend" is some code word secret desires?

I feel bad for you.

(honestly, I don't know what "sig hail" means)
PS. Crap! I also know a little about Arab history. Uh oh!!!!! And I even know a little bit about the Egyptians!!! My god!!!!!
 

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And some are just proud. It's a shame that you are so mistrusting that you automatically assume the worst in people.
I am not mistrusting, i have studied race matters for far to long not to notice these things.

That seems very sneaky. Why are you so afraid of pride? Have you ever been proud of you home team?
I am not afraid of pride, i am afraid of what some people consider pride, i am afraid of supremacist of all colors and shapes.

And guess what, I'm proud of the good things my ancestors did. I accept the bad things and learn from them.
I am also proud of mine, but i just try to be considerate and not try to act as nothing happened, theres still too many people whos lives are still hell because of what some of our ancestors did, the least we could do is to keep our mouths shut and not ask for equality.

How are they different in your mind? They're all humans, right? They both have unique cultures that they should be free to celebrate them.
Yes, but the Jews have been hunted down for thousands of years, and their culture and religion is all they have to survive, while Germans have used pride to commit some of the most inhumane acts in history, if a Jew shows pride who cares, but if a German shows pride we pay attention, why? because some people use culture and pride for survival, and others use it to destroy.



And certain tribes did that to other tribes. ALL other peoples have faced a form of genocide at one time. By your own logic, then, ALL peoples are allowed to be proud.
Show me one example of native americans leaving their continent to destroy and conquer another race and another culture??



Actually, in the only other forum I post in, my sig is a poem by Tolkien.
Good for you, i don't buy it.
 

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Originally posted by jlujan
And you don't know what Sieg hail stands for?????

Another nail in your coffin.
I said I dont' know what "sig Hail" means. Get it? And I don't focus my attention on 20th century Germany, anyway. I'm more interested in "old" Germany.

American Indians committed genocide againts other Indian tribes. I was clear the last time I said it. It's really not complicated.

Since you are so self-hating, you probably won't like this:http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/1007/article/1099

Read the last sentence. YOU insult the memory of those Indians you try to defend.

I'm going to bed so don't expect another reply tonight.
 

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Originally posted by MacDonald
I said I dont' know what "sig Hail" means. Get it? And I don't focus my attention on 20th century Germany, anyway. I'm more interested in "old" Germany.

American Indians committed genocide againts other Indian tribes. I was clear the last time I said it. It's really not complicated.

Since you are so self-hating, you probably won't like this:http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/1007/article/1099

Read the last sentence. YOU insult the memory of those Indians you try to defend.

I'm going to bed so don't expect another reply tonight.
LOL!!! David A. Yeagles is the white supremacists favorite Indian author, he plays music to their ears, and by the way, his articles are frequently discussed in many white power forums.

Oh and yes, i "get it", do you really think i was going to believe your pathetic atempt of not knowing what that meant? this is not one of your hate boards buddy, here you dont have 10 other haters helping you out.
 

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jlujan:

Geez... get off MacDonald's back already!

Personally, I think you have some sort of guilt complex. You think that if a German is proud of being German, that somehow he's some sort of racist or a nazi or some damn thing. You bring up the Jews as an example of a nation that has never persecuted anyone. Well, just ask the Palestinians, who are crammed into two tiny territories and whose leaders are assassinated and called "terrorists" because they can't stand it that Israeli settlers are illegally taking their land. (Oh sh!t! I criticized Israel! Must make me an anti-Semitic hater too, right?)

And he's obviously being sarcastic with not knowing what "Sieg hail" means because A) you misspelled it, and B) you're obviously implying that he's a nazi.

The Aztecs routinely sacrificed members of the neighboring tribes (so that the sun would rise each day); a perfect example of a "holocaust", albeit slow-motion. When Cortes came these tribes supported the Spanish invaders against the Aztecs. Big surprise. And perhaps they didn't invade another continent because they didn't have ocean-going ships?

BGMan :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by BGMan
jlujan:

Geez... get off MacDonald's back already!

Personally, I think you have some sort of guilt complex. You think that if a German is proud of being German, that somehow he's some sort of racist or a nazi or some damn thing. You bring up the Jews as an example of a nation that has never persecuted anyone. Well, just ask the Palestinians, who are crammed into two tiny territories and whose leaders are assassinated and called "terrorists" because they can't stand it that Israeli settlers are illegally taking their land. (Oh sh!t! I criticized Israel! Must make me an anti-Semitic hater too, right?)

And he's obviously being sarcastic with not knowing what "Sieg hail" means because A) you misspelled it, and B) you're obviously implying that he's a nazi.

The Aztecs routinely sacrificed members of the neighboring tribes (so that the sun would rise each day); a perfect example of a "holocaust", albeit slow-motion. When Cortes came these tribes supported the Spanish invaders against the Aztecs. Big surprise. And perhaps they didn't invade another continent because they didn't have ocean-going ships?

BGMan :rolleyes:
I didn't get on his back, he posted some strange stuff and the more he responded the more he showed what he was made off, anybody can be proud of who they are, i don't have a problem with that.

Sarcastic my ass, i exposed him and he ran with his tail betwen his legs.
 

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Originally posted by jlujan
Yes, but the Jews have been hunted down for thousands of years, and their culture and religion is all they have to survive, while Germans have used pride to commit some of the most inhumane acts in history, if a Jew shows pride who cares, but if a German shows pride we pay attention, why? because some people use culture and pride for survival, and others use it to destroy.

...anybody can be proud of who they are, i don't have a problem with that.
...except the Germans. And the Palestinians don't count for squat.

Okay. I understand.

BGMan :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by jlujan




Because we took their land and killed most of their people, we confined them to reservations and destroyed their habitat, ALL THEY HAVE IS THEIR PRIDE.
I wouldn't be proud if my people had gotten a$$holed like that. All it proves is the inferiority of their arms development. Seeing as many tribes were warlike I don't want to hear any excuses about how they didn't need weapons. Of course, I'd be most ashamed of the fact that none of my ancestors ever came up with the wheel.
 

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Chill out guys...sheesh..

I see where the dude is coming from.

It's not racist in any way, shape, or form ( unless you have a massive inferiority complex. )

Take it for what it is: a unique idea for confidence.

Damn! Some people play the race card every chance they get.

:eek:
 

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Thanks for the support, gentlemen.

The idea I presented has helped me gain confidence. I figured I would pass it along in case it could help someone else.

You know, I have found that "minorities" respect people that have a little pride. Why? Because they have pride in their history. When you are ashamed of your past to the point where you dare not express even the most innocent form of pride in public, you look pathetic indeed. Pride, for me, is love. It's love because I have found true pride--not some blind unjustified pride.

You, jlujan, say you are proud of your ancestors secretly. Do you have any idea how sneaky and scared you sound?

Not long ago I did a short presentation on the Vikings for a class. I was proud to teach those people some things about the Viking culture they didn't know before. Guess what? I'm still here. The world didn't end. No black students in the class ran around screaming "racism."

Get a life, dude.

And, btw, if you really want to argue about non-DJ related topics(which you have turned this into and I apologize to everyone for that), you can do it in PMs.
 

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He said be proud of who you are. He didn't say join a neonazi march down main street because your part German.

MacDonald just shared what has helped him build confidence. Every bit counts so what are you arguing with him for?

He does have a point about Germany running a two front war. They didn't get their ass kicked, they just got gang banged by the rest of us. Russia could have fallen over a dozen times in WW2. The german panzers got so close to moscow they could see the towers.

Anyways, thx MacDonald for the post on pride.
 
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