I feel like a piece of **** right now (clubbing)

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to answer the OP's question. yes i experienced rejection. total complete social rejection at it's worst.

i had such bad acne and skin i had a granny on the street stop me one day and ask me what is wrong with me. point blank like that. i was debating comitting suicide and ending it all for once. that's where i started from. i was bellow zero. i was in fvckin misery all the way.

and yes, you can rise out of it and change yourself. all it takes is will power and direction
 

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Once I change my mindset from a try-hard needing every woman I met to a guy who no longer needed women, but only desired them, my life with women flourished.

Stop telling yourself you need a woman, and you'll stop feeling like sh!t. Stop telling yourself you need to take a woman home, and you'll stop feeling like sh!t, but what you will see is success with women.
 

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Clubbing is a numbers game and has a lot to do with luck. First off, being rejected that many times isn't that bad. You just have to roll off and approach the next girl. I know it sucks at times, but if you wanna bring a girl home then you have to increase your chances.

And luck has a lot to do with it too. Just like what happened to your friend. You guys should go out and again and watch what happens. He may not get approached for the entire night. And you may be the one getting approached all night. Every night is different and unpredicatble. No matter how much game you have.

Clubs are fake. Real people aren't like this. It's a fake atmosphere. So dont fret about it or take it personal. Just make the most out of it and have a good time despite the outcome.
 

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Why do you go to clubs? Only to pick up chicks?

If you're exclusively there to get a girl, you're not going to have a good night 90% of the time. Go with some buddies. Have a crew. Even better, go with a mixed group. Bring girls and guys with you. Have fun with it. If you can't get any enjoyment out of dancing then don't go.

I would never go out to a club with just guys. Usually I have a whole bunch of people with me. I use it as an afterparty or a change of venue. It's great stuff -- hit a houseparty or whatever and then get to the club after. If there's a girl or two you're building attraction with at the main event, then when one of the girls tells her friends "hey we should go to X club after!" be encouraging of the idea. Then seal the deal at the club or even get some other girl.

summary:
- don't go only because you need a girl
- try to go with a group of fun people so that there's absolutely no pressure
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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NIght clubs have become the place where women go to celebrate their power over desperate men and boost theijr egos up to epic proportions..

The ratio is usually 1 woman to X,XXX number of guys leading to emence desperation... And massive option potential for even the ugliest women ...LOL

There is no 100% guranteed strategy but there are major pre requisits to increasing success..

1. Good looks - very important especially if its a younger crowd
2. Hip clothes - very important especially if its a younger crowd
3. Swagger/confidence
4. Cool people with you..
5. Smooth game/slick lines delivered with a smile.


Looks are 90% OF THE CLUB GAME... GIRLS KNOW THAT 90% OF TEH DUDES IN THERE AINT GETTING NO PU$$Y THAT NIGHT SO THEY ARE ONLY CHOOSING THE TOP 10% - Good luck!!
 

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DonGorgon said:
NIght clubs have become the place where women go to celebrate their power over desperate men and boost theijr egos up to epic proportions..

The ratio is usually 1 woman to X,XXX number of guys leading to emence desperation... And massive option potential for even the ugliest women ...LOL

There is no 100% guranteed strategy but there are major pre requisits to increasing success..

1. Good looks - very important especially if its a younger crowd
2. Hip clothes - very important especially if its a younger crowd
3. Swagger/confidence
4. Cool people with you..
5. Smooth game/slick lines delivered with a smile.


Looks are 90% OF THE CLUB GAME... GIRLS KNOW THAT 90% OF TEH DUDES IN THERE AINT GETTING NO PU$$Y THAT NIGHT SO THEY ARE ONLY CHOOSING THE TOP 10% - Good luck!!
Clubs are an amazing place to pick up women. Of course you need to work on your style and look better and nicer than the rest of the guys in there as well as dance better than them.

It's not so difficult. Spend a few hundred dollars on some designer clothes and take some latin or hip hop dancing classes and learn to move your body to the beat.

Once you know how to 1) Dance and 2) Dress well, you are already in the top 10% of the guys there. If you are confident and have some game, geting laid in night clubs is a piece of cake.
 

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Metaphysical said:
Clubs are an amazing place to pick up women. Of course you need to work on your style and look better and nicer than the rest of the guys in there as well as dance better than them.

It's not so difficult. Spend a few hundred dollars on some designer clothes and take some latin or hip hop dancing classes and learn to move your body to the beat.

Once you know how to 1) Dance and 2) Dress well, you are already in the top 10% of the guys there. If you are confident and have some game, geting laid in night clubs is a piece of cake.
lol @ spend a few hundred dollars on designer clothes

WHOA

No disrespect Meta, but I've gone to a trendy club, wearing a $10 shirt and got complimented on it.

Here's the deal if you are smart shopper (i.e. me) you can get designer stuff on clearence or cheaper clothes on clearnce. That $10 shirt was orignally $60. I also have a $5 polo vest which orignally cost $60, you can get great clothes for cheap if you look.

http://www.kgsuperstore.com/kg/index.jsp

^^my favorite store
 

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evasive said:
I fricken approach like 8 different girls, ask to dance, get rejected by ALL of them. i mean wtf.......

My friend is sitting down on a couch, and a girl walks up to him and asks "r u single?.. "let me smell ur cologne" "u smell good" lets dance, etc etc..
he ends up going home with her...............when hes acting desperate like a mofo

man wtf....i'm not even bad looking, in good shape, i fricken approach like crazy....put in effort and nothing happens..

Is there any people here who have experienced this? just rejection after rejection, even by ugly chicks
Women love attention, and when you deny them of it they will do anything they can to get it.

When you give it to them, you're not challenge to them. You're just another chump that boosts their self esteem.

Go to the club, do your thing, don't buy anyone a drink. If pu$$y wants to come along, great. If not, still have fun.
 

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Metaphysical said:
your friend understands something YOU or most guys on this forum REFUSE to accept.

women DO THE CHOOSING.

women choose who they go home with.
In the presence of a great seducer. women do the chasing. Women do not choose who they go home with... they gravitate towards attraction and that gravitate towards going home with an attractive man.

What your friend said was actually not desperate. He was leading and making things happen. In clubs there is alot of stimulus and emotions. Your friend indulged in his desires and was upfront about it. Being desperate is whole different thing.
 

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guywhoneedshelp said:
Women love attention, and when you deny them of it they will do anything they can to get it.

When you give it to them, you're not challenge to them. You're just another chump that boosts their self esteem.

Go to the club, do your thing, don't buy anyone a drink. If pu$$y wants to come along, great. If not, still have fun.

BINGO

and If you do talk to a girl, talk to her like she is just a friend, remember ten other guys before you already tried to holla, when you talk to her like she is just a friend it will show thru your body language and she will get curious to why you aint "sweating" her
 

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clubs are one of the stupidest places to meet women. yes some have succes, but most will not. i have heard women brag and boast among themselves about how they go to clubs with the intention of turning guys down. i used ot go to them every now and then until i heard this. as mentioned above, the ratio is like 1 girl to 100 guys....of course she's going to be doing alot of rejecting, she can.

the most annoying thing is buying a girl a drink or two and then she tells you "sorry". that **** doesn't fly with me although at the time i didn't know better.
 

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Solomon said:
lol @ spend a few hundred dollars on designer clothes

WHOA

No disrespect Meta, but I've gone to a trendy club, wearing a $10 shirt and got complimented on it.

Here's the deal if you are smart shopper (i.e. me) you can get designer stuff on clearence or cheaper clothes on clearnce. That $10 shirt was orignally $60. I also have a $5 polo vest which orignally cost $60, you can get great clothes for cheap if you look.

http://www.kgsuperstore.com/kg/index.jsp

^^my favorite store
It depends what level of the game you are playing at. I've done the $10 t-shirt and jeans thing in a club and gotten laid from it too. A simple black t-shirt showing off some muscle and there will be women who will be attracted to that look.

But personally i would rather walk in with a tailored sportscoat and some nice designer jeans with my Ferragamo shoes.

not only does it make the game easier for you, but it also makes women know that you are going somewhere in life.
 

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Metaphysical said:
It depends what level of the game you are playing at. I've done the $10 t-shirt and jeans thing in a club and gotten laid from it too. A simple black t-shirt showing off some muscle and there will be women who will be attracted to that look.

But personally i would rather walk in with a tailored sportscoat and some nice designer jeans with my Ferragamo shoes.

not only does it make the game easier for you, but it also makes women know that you are going somewhere in life.
I'm curious guy, what is your success rate at clubs? Say on average, how many chicks/numbers do you get on an outing?
 

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rapidfire said:
clubs are one of the stupidest places to meet women. yes some have succes, but most will not. i have heard women brag and boast among themselves about how they go to clubs with the intention of turning guys down. i used ot go to them every now and then until i heard this. as mentioned above, the ratio is like 1 girl to 100 guys....of course she's going to be doing alot of rejecting, she can.

the most annoying thing is buying a girl a drink or two and then she tells you "sorry". that **** doesn't fly with me although at the time i didn't know better.

"women don't respect you if you buy them a drink"--David x

^^I truly belive that statement, its a **** test, when a women says this, i instantly say "why" and even if a women comes up with a good reasons (which is rare). You barely know the girl, and you already buying her stuff, women love a challenge. If the women has a good rebuttal to my question I might challenge her with a game, if she wins i buy , if i win she buys. I have yet to lose :D
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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I'm curious guy, what is your success rate at clubs? Say on average, how many chicks/numbers do you get on an outing?
I do better in lounges than in clubs. I'm not sure what you mean by success ratio. Do you mean the number of girls I can sleep with in that night? Do you mean the number of girls who i can develop a connection with and get their numbers and have a date with them? Or do you simply mean, how many girls will give me their phone numbers?

When i started out I would do the PUA thing. That is I would run up in every girls face who I found hot and talk to them for 5 minutes saying some corny routine and I would walk away with their number. Then I found out later, when I would call those numbers, most were fakes and the rest would not show up on a date because there was NO CONNECTION between us.

After that I changed my method and I approach women who check me out and are genuinely interested in me.

What I do when i go to clubs is I first get a drink and I watch over the dance floor for 5-10 minutes to get a feel of who's in the club. I am scanning the room the entire time. I am looking at girls faces and making a mental list of which girls look back at me. I'm also noticing the girls I FIND attractive and i keep an eye out for them.

Usually in a club of 200 people, I will find maybe 3-4 girls that appeal to me. At least one of those attractive girls will usually check me out blatantly, so I will know she is interested. Then I will just walk over to her and speak to her for a minute and pull her hand and tell her to come dance with me.

I dance with them for maybe two songs and then I take her on the couches or the lounge area and I start to speak to her for a while. Maybe 10-15 minutes. I ask things about logistics, like... who is she there with, does she have a car, does she live near, does she live with her parents or by herself? etc etc... I do it all really subtle and sneak it in the conversation, don't want to make it look like an interview.

This way, I get an idea if she is there to get LAID that night. I will try to extract girls that same night and sleep with them. Sometimes I bone them in their car, sometimes I go over to their house.. If that doesn't work, then I will settle for some making out and I get their number and do coffee with them in a few days.

If there's no girls that are blatantly checking me out in a club off the start.. I will go on the dancefloor and dance by myself for a few minutes, maybe a couple songs. I had some latin classes and learned to move well on the dancefloor and this puts me on the spotlight and women look at me. While I am dancing, I do my casual checking the room stuff and i watch for eye contact from women. If i catch a woman staring at me, then i go up to her and pull her to the dance floor without saying a word.

When I wasnt able to dance, over a year ago, I had to rely more on lounges. I would go to the older crowds lounges (25 to 35 crowds) even though I was younger than everyone there and I would pick up older women. You need to have good conversation skills for lounges, which is luckily one of my strongest assets.

So what was my success ratios? Well, I would say I got at least a STRONG lead on a number every time I went clubbing and more half the time I would go out, I would get a lay that night.. eg (fuck them an hour after i met them).

When I say I got a STRONG LEAD, I mean i developed connections with those girls, not just "hi whats your name, youre hot gimme your number"... but I actually got them really interested in me.

Haha I remember my last week of summer i boned 6 girls in a week. That was some insane stuff. I was off from work for the last week of the summer and I had a ton of leads from girls I met over the summer.. I was so sick of sex at the end of that week.. 6 is just too many to handle for me, especially when they are texting you every minute of the day.
 

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I was talking a to a mate about this, and he has right idea.

It's context. Say you chat to a girl and straight off she demands a drink, that gets a straight "no" from me, in fact it's a very unattractive quality.

Now let's say you've been talking a girl for half an hour and happen to be going to the bar. I seriously doubt a girl would be that cheap, and hang in there all that time for a lousy drink, so it's okay to say "hey look I'm going to the bar, do you want anything?"

BTW I don't often drink myself so I've yet to buy a girl in a club a drink (I've certainly never needed to), but if I felt it was okay I would.
^^Good point, typically girls who want a drink are bold enough to asks right away

@Meta--man you hit the nail on the head what guys dont realize is, the dance floor is the best place for pick up, tons of "kino" going on, and what will smith said in Hitch is actually fact "women equate dancing to sex.." you already sellng her dreams and her fantasy's are tingling. I like Meta's "gameplan" I proably do the same thing myself, I grab a drink chill, peep the dancefloor then usually hit it up. My success also has been in clubs where its typically a 21-30 crowd. Some reason I don't do well in the 18+, however it doesn't bother me, because I rather be with a women in her mid twenties anyway

My question for meta's

1. What type of bars/clubs/lounges do you frequent, are they trendy? posh? redneck? (lol)

2. How many females do you approach a night?

3. What are ways that you buld the connection with a women, so you know she will call you back, instead of ignoring your call or not hanging up?

thanks

-Solo
 

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1. What type of bars/clubs/lounges do you frequent, are they trendy? posh? redneck? (lol)
My advise is to go with the style you are trying to portray in the way you dress. Othertimes if I feel like doing the classy thing and I dress up in a suit and I sit on a lounge sipping on a whiskey. I like Jazz/Blues music so I have done a few jazz clubs here too. They tend to have the 1920s Betty Boo type of looking girls which I find very sexy. But for dancing I like house music and the clubs here for that are filled with Euro girls. They tend to like muscle on guys, not the whole suit thing. So if you go there with a tight muscle t-shirt and you got some nice arms, every girl will be looking at you.

2. How many females do you approach a night?
Like I said, I go for the deeper connection instead of running up to every girl in the club. Back in my PUA days (2yrs ago) I would approach easily 20 women in a night, lmao and end up going home with none. I would usually end up with a lot of phone numbers but none would meet me up and they would flake on me.

Ever since I changed my method, the most I've approached was 2-3 women in a night. Usually I scan the room and pick the right girl for me before I approach. Usually my intuition is right and I end up hitting it off really well with the first girl I approach.

Unlike a lot of the guys in the PUA community, I don't do the shotgun approach. The shotgun approach means you approach like crazy and hope to hit something. I do the target/riffle approach. I zoom in and point at one target and I go for it.

3. What are ways that you buld the connection with a women, so you know she will call you back, instead of ignoring your call or not hanging up?
You need to make her invest emotions and time into you off the start. That is get her life story and make her spil her guts right off the bat. You need to develop communication skills to do this. It's a little hard in a club to get a woman's life story, that's why I like pulling them into the lounge immediately after we are done dancing.

I would also avoid going for drunk girls, because while they can be an easy lay, they will probabily not want to talk to you the next day because they will be embarassed they were so easy to lay.
 

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Metaphysical said:
But personally i would rather walk in with a tailored sportscoat and some nice designer jeans with my Ferragamo shoes.

not only does it make the game easier for you, but it also makes women know that you are going somewhere in life.
Or not. That's going to make you look desperate and a try hard. Keep it casual.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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