"I don't wear makeup for YOU, I wear makeup for ME"

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I saw this a moment ago and put it into perspective. When you think about its meaning, you understand that this is not a lie. It's that you have to interpret it the right way to understand what it really means, just like with other things women say.

What it means plainly: I use make up because it makes me feel better. I don't think about men when I do it. (Optional, variation of): It's patriarchy to do it for men!

This version makes it look great on the surface. Without analysing what's beneath it, you only see the end product of the female's mental process. To find out how the woman arrived there we have to go backwards in the process of the conclusion's formation.

What it means in truth: As we know, humans each have an SMV which we not only use for signalling to others but also derive our feelings of self-esteem from. Physicality is by far the most important factor to men, who are aroused by it because of the important subconscious information it shows them about the woman. This means that women who want attention from men will try to make themselves look as good as possible. That's why they start using it in high school when their ovulation begins, and why little girls in beauty pageants before that is looked upon as bad - they aren't sexual yet.

When a woman uses make up and says she is doing it for herself, she is not lying. She doesn't do it for men, like cooking a man a good meal or giving him a massage. The reasons why she is doing it are two: to deceive male perception into interpreting her SMV as better than it is, and to feel good by willfully believing in the pretence of having a better SMV and also having others validate her fantasy SMV with their words and actions.

The problem is men are stupid, which is also how we got to this point in our society in the first place, so they think it's a positive that women use make up. White knight betas think it's good because "you go girl!" like the plain meaning states, and many mens' "HB scale" amounts to the more fake elements the woman has, the higher her score goes and they go "wow, she's so sexy/beautiful/sweet!" like the perfect target of a con trick. This reinforces the deceiving since men are too stupid to think beyond the first layer of information, so they reward the use of make up by both praising the women as actually having a better SMV and treating them better, conditioning women like dogs to keep it up since the behaviour is positively reinforced. If you think about it that sets a precedent for lying because when you lie to men about one of the most important things to them, they react well to it. Why wouldn't the woman then also lie about other things?

In the end, this merges into the larger reason why I believe social decay will not stop and the red pill will never be able to fight back on a macro scale: stupid men, beta white knights and women working together. You think there is an "awakening" now, but the war has actually already been lost decades ago. Thinking the tide is now turning is like a Japanese island holdout in the Pacific War thinking the war is now going well because he's not being attacked and can flourish on his little island when in reality it's because the war has been lost to the point of making his individual position insignificant. The end will be when a catastrophe destroys civilization, after which will come a new beginning, which can in turn only be hoped rather than assumed to be in a positive direction.
 
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Here's another take on it: Women wear makeup, nice shoes and nice clothing (or revealing clothing) to compete with other women. If there happens to be an eligible male in their vicinity, they need to compete with other women who are looking their best.

Competition is their motivator. A man is just the "first place" ribbon.
 

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I was going to add in a snip on that but figured it was already included/implied in the action of raising her SMV. Doesn't hurt to say it explicitly though. But you've gotta keep in mind that although it's part of the explanation, it's not all of it - that would be a simplification. And simplifications will in the long run hurt the reasoning of people who use them without knowing what they were simplified from.
 
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Makeup is just a standard for appearance for women. Past that , I don't feel the need for a discussion over it lol .

I do respect your post though because you're a smart guy and say alot of good stuff
 

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When a woman uses make up and says she is doing it for herself, she is not lying.
So if there were no men in the world, would women still put on makeup for themselves?

The reasons why she is doing it are two: to deceive male perception into interpreting her SMV as better than it is, and to feel good by willfully believing in the pretence of having a better SMV and also having others validate her fantasy SMV with their words and actions.
How is a woman putting on makeup "deceiving"? Are you "deceiving" women by combing your hair and wearing a nice suit?

In the end, this merges into the larger reason why I believe social decay will not stop and the red pill will never be able to fight back on a macro scale: stupid men, beta white knights and women working together. You think there is an "awakening" now, but the war has actually already been lost decades ago. Thinking the tide is now turning is like a Japanese island holdout in the Pacific War thinking the war is now going well because he's not being attacked and can flourish on his little island when in reality it's because the war has been lost to the point of making his individual position insignificant. The end will be when a catastrophe destroys civilization, after which will come a new beginning, which can in turn only be hoped rather than assumed to be in a positive direction.
Come on bro, everyone does things to feel better about themselves, men and women. Some of it is superficial, some of it not. To come to the conclusion that we are in a social decay and the end of it will be an apocalypse is a little crazy.

By your logic you shouldn't be watching movies or listening to music or going to sporting events or be doing anything that has any entertainment value because that is deceiving too. You are spending your hard earned money to inflate the egos of some women who look good and can act good and can take off their clothes in the movie and make your feel strong powerful emotions, but offer nothing of value to the world.
 

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So if there were no men in the world, would women still put on makeup for themselves?



How is a woman putting on makeup "deceiving"? Are you "deceiving" women by combing your hair and wearing a nice suit?



Come on bro, everyone does things to feel better about themselves, men and women. Some of it is superficial, some of it not. To come to the conclusion that we are in a social decay and the end of it will be an apocalypse is a little crazy.

By your logic you shouldn't be watching movies or listening to music or going to sporting events or be doing anything that has any entertainment value because that is deceiving too. You are spending your hard earned money to inflate the egos of some women who look good and can act good and can take off their clothes in the movie and make your feel strong powerful emotions, but offer nothing of value to the world.
I could answer that question too, but I'd rather say you are taking what I said out of context.

A nice suit doesn't affect your body physically. Combing your hair only refines what was already part of you. Make up adds to your appearance into something it couldn't have been without it.

You don't think we are in social decay? okay.

I don't recognize the logic you are using here, so it's not mine. Maybe if you explained.
 

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All enhancements whether makeup or exercising or pushup bras....etc are a way to raise or fake higher value because intergender interactions are mainly based on what value you bring to the table.
value= worth to fvck (seen as lover) or seen as provider or LTR material
no value= go fvck yourself or settle for no value people who are similar to you.
 

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Heheh in this case I would neg "NP babe we all need a little help sometimes"
 

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Men do the same thing and this forum encourages it. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm pointing to.

This is the place where guys are told how to get women, then they are told that all they do should be for themselves. You see the issue here?
 

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Men do the same thing and this forum encourages it. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm pointing to.

This is the place where guys are told how to get women, then they are told that all they do should be for themselves. You see the issue here?
Yes. The solution is to accept both. You are here to make your life better in both self-esteem and women. That's not to say lying to yourself that you're only doing it for you can't work but as we know it's still a lie. Got to separate the activities too though (because I know otherwise some smartass is gonna comment on it), going out by the lake and enjoying the sun doesn't have the same motivations in it as say going to the gym.
 
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I read the article Rollo linked to. I think he's spot on about the dissonance we have about our motivation for self-improvement (I'm sure he sleeps better knowing he has my approval). Lately I've been thinking about the limits of self-improvement with regard to attraction, and I've got this sneaking suspicion that it's wasted effort beyond a certain point. My hunch is that going from "having your sh*t together" to "the top 5%" doesn't drastically effect the quality or quantity of women available to most guys (not talking about fame or notoriety here). I could be wrong, but..

On the forums I keep hearing about guys plateauing or regressing with women even though they keep stepping their internal game up year after year. I can relate, I'm kicking old-me's ass physically, financially, and socially. But there's one problem - old-me was getting a lot more p*ssy.

The author of the MasculinePrinciple blog says this:

Anyway, my point is this. It is impossible to increase the number of women who are interested in you by increasing your “attractiveness”. You can lose weight, buff up your body, get better clothes, better style, whatever, and you may change slightly the quality of women who are interested in you, but not the number. You can also change your behavior, but that only changes who specifically reacts to you. You can be nice, or you can be playfully arrogant, or you can be a total sh*theel. You can sharpen your technique or get better at the “game”. But, it’s all pointless. It may change who, but not how many. Nothing will allow you to pick and choose who, specifically, will respond.

I know I've personally fallen into the trap of thinking, well rationally, women should be more attracted to socially skilled men with great bodies and great careers. Wait, what? Women are picking partners rationally now?!

What's the alternative? Well the blogger I referenced still recommends getting your sh*t together. But beyond that he seems to think that success with women is mainly about learning to identify the women who just happen to be randomly, irrationally into you - then using your knowledge of Game to not f*ck things up, keep a good thing going, etc.

It's an appealing point of view.
 
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Here's another take on it: Women wear makeup, nice shoes and nice clothing (or revealing clothing) to compete with other women. If there happens to be an eligible male in their vicinity, they need to compete with other women who are looking their best.

Competition is their motivator. A man is just the "first place" ribbon.
oh the accuracy

ive even heard that straight out of the horses mouth

if i walked into a room full of women with my girlfreind id bet my bottom dollar they would check her out long before me

i dont know why but women find it incredibly difficult to treat each other as equals and to work together

men can do it men can see the bigger picture and work together to achieve said picture

no woman will ever make a strange woman feel welcome
 

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Three types of women. Always wear makeup, never wear makeup, or only wear it for others but never their boyfriend or husband lol. Study the latter women to learn why it is worn.
I only wear makeup for others and really never with my boyfriend, to be honest (and I'm sure many girls say this) I know I'm prettier without it.

I guess if I was to think about why I wear it, it's because I am trying to fit in.

It's the feeling you get when you have an invitation to a party and it says "formal wear" or other things like that, there's places I go where I know I'm just expected by my female friends to wear makeup and sexy or fashionable clothes.

If you don't and they do, they tell you that you've made them feel stupid and they'll usually ask you to get changed. It actually feels really horrible.

My parents tell me to get rid of friends like this because they don't understand me, but if I did that I'd lose a LOT of my close friends, I'd only have my guy friends and 1 or 2 girls left behind.
 

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Men do the same thing and this forum encourages it. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm pointing to.

This is the place where guys are told how to get women, then they are told that all they do should be for themselves. You see the issue here?
There is no issue...The key to "getting" women is to truly internalise the understanding that they are not significant and paradoxically it is having this mentality that makes you the most attractive to that which the old self desired with desperation.
 

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The same as when you see a woman dressed to the 9's to go out...it's not to look good for the guys, it's to look better than the other women.
 

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Interesting, all my LTRs that I have had they always made it be know that they do it for me.
They wanted to be sexiest they could be for me. Ha little did I know this wasn't the truth.
 

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Here's another take on it: Women wear makeup, nice shoes and nice clothing (or revealing clothing) to compete with other women. If there happens to be an eligible male in their vicinity, they need to compete with other women who are looking their best.

Competition is their motivator. A man is just the "first place" ribbon.
a form of social peakcocking for mates
 

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What it really means is that she really doesn't place any value in making you happy. True or not she could say it was for you just to make you feel she cares. I mean think about it, of course she doesn't want men to think she's a ugly dysfunctional female. But it was more important to her to make some kind of stand rather than just being nice to you. I bet she gets really mad if you piss her off, wanna know why? Because you are meddling in her plans. Don't tolerate that BS.
 

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Sorry guys u got this wrong. I don't give a rats tail what other women are wearing. Its about fitting the occasion with the function or social setting. I don't compete with other women. I don't give a hoot what they are wearing or trying to compete. Yes, I am a woman.
 
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