I dont understand the swinger/ cuckold thing

[Jack22]

Y'know how there's a dominant and a submissive in every relationship? It's that, but on steroids. The cuck is the submissive who gets off on humiliation, hell, you laughing at him probably turns him on. The ones with a racial preference are hella racist, that's why you often see the memes with black guys because they basically see them as animals. They're either far right conservatives who get off on degrading their wife because they see it as taboo, or they're far left beta libs who are equally racist but are subconsciously unaware of their own bias.

If Nietzsche were alive today I think he'd compare these fetishes to staring into the abyss, you go in, and it takes a part of your soul with you. There's even worse stuff out there, like a FTM transgender women who display heavily masculine features but are simultaneously pregnant. My generation is racing to beat the millennials to see who hit's the moral bottom first.

 

[SW15]

Y'know how there's a dominant and a submissive in every relationship? It's that, but on steroids. The cuck is the submissive who gets off on humiliation, hell, you laughing at him probably turns him on. The ones with a racial preference are hella racist, that's why you often see the memes with black guys because they basically see them as animals. They're either far right conservatives who get off on degrading their wife because they see it as taboo, or they're far left beta libs who are equally racist but are subconsciously unaware of their own bias.

I don't fully understand the whole cuck thing. Humuliation isn't good.

Do you know what is creating more cucks? Porn. When you are watching endless internet porn, you are watching other men banging a woman, which is the same thing that a cuck does watching his wife getting banged by another guy. When a man watches porn, the porn star usually has a bigger penis than that guy has. That's a form of humiliation.

No porn and no fap has kept my mind unpolluted. I only see naked women live in the flesh and the only sex I experience is in-person sex.

My generation is racing to beat the millennials to see who hit's the moral bottom first.

That's amazing. I am a Millennial. I had hoped that Gen Z wouldn't be as bad as we were.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Do you know what is creating more cucks? Porn. When you are watching endless internet porn, you are watching other men banging a woman, which is the same thing that a cuck does watching his wife getting banged by another guy. When a man watches porn, the porn star usually has a bigger penis than that guy has. That's a form of humiliation.

I agree with this, but I think there's an exception to it. Usually when I watch porn, I look for pov and search for a vid where the guy's **** looks like mine, therefore I can image it's me, and not some dude.

 

[SargeMaximus]

I agree with this, but I think there's an exception to it. Usually when I watch porn, I look for pov and search for a vid where the guy's **** looks like mine, therefore I can image it's me, and not some dude.

I don’t like pov porn except on rare occasions

 

[Jack22]

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I was hooked on porn at a young age (around 12), I managed to beat my addiction after finding alternative outlets. Learning foreign languages really helped me because it required that I listened to the material and keep my mind occupied on the meaning of the words. My generation was being experimented with in school, the state decided to give us chromebooks ( in some schools, it's IPads) as a way to "save paper".

School immediately became 100x harder to focus in on because even after system admins blocked games/websites/pornsites the kids just found loopholes around it. Having unfettered access to the internet, it's no wonder depression is spiking in my generation. People would watch anime or play video games during class, it was insane. No matter what they say on the news about "online learning", I've graduated with kids who couldn't do simple addiction. Literally couldn't add or subtract 9+10 without giving you a doe-eyed look like you're about to hit them with a truck. I'd rather write an essay on paper than have my attention blunted by a shining screen.

It's definitely gotten a lot worse since then. The other day, my friend showed me a tik tok of two girls singing rick and morty at their dead moms funeral, now it's a trend.

For millennials, the internet is that place you go to, while for us zoomers it's that place where we live.

 

[Jack22]

Also, it's not supposed to

I don't fully understand the whole cuck thing. Humuliation isn't good.

It's not supposed to be good, it's supposed to make you "feel" good. Is abusing drugs good? No, but it'll give you a great high. Same thing here. Also, this trend started in the 70s with swingers, because instead of finding a hobby, that generation decided it'd be a great idea to screw recreationally until they got bored and found the next taboo thing that gave them a great sensation. Literally, most of the population are just proles who don't know what's good for them. Where did the decline first begin though? I'd say it's a gradual process in every civilization that comes with the loss of faith in religion as science overtakes the belief in God and a higher morality. MLK said it best, "our scientific power has overtaken our spiritual power, we have guided missiles and misguided men."

Here's some crazier $hit I found on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58F0YfEKuGI

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I can't imagine being under 18 and getting an invitation to bang a wife in a couple in their 30s-50s.

First or second ever vaca. Not sure if they were married but it was definitely his girl. There's nothing like that moment when a dude is signaling you to plow his girl. It was ****ed.

Puking was alcohol induced BUT the experience definitely provoked it. Was blue pill. Still dating at this stage. Unaware of the game or female nature. Around the time I came across doc and ironically enough skipped over style life academy. Looped back a few years later following a trip to ibiza.

I have banged a woman who has an abortion. I would say most men have banged women that have had an abortion, been in a gang bang, orgy, or done the whole poly/swinging thing.

I don't ask. I'm grossed out by it. It being that characteristics of modern women.

True statement about the longer that a woman isn't locked down, the higher probability of things you listed. If you're dating a woman in her 30s and beyond, she has a high chance of having one of those things having happened to her. Definitely don't put a ring on that or play house with it.

i heard Stirling talk about women won't talk body count or a number of bad habits by modern women. Argued men use other things to decipher her worth. I couldn't agree more.

Women roping in dorks and switching off the sex after kids happens to men who are on the beta side. Since most men are beta males, this is commonplace.

I mentioned in thread about a dorks gf on tinder. Another buddy getting con job's by sociopath female. It's text book. Girl skiing down cawk mountain and doing gang bangs. Nears 30 and on comes the good girl shtick.

A silver bullet is dating younger.

The nuclear family has been decimated since 1970s 2nd wave feminism. The Millennial women in their 30s and turning 40 today were products of the 1990s/early 2000s divorces from the Boomers.

In the 1970s, young women were burning their bras and hearing that women need men as much as a fish needs a bicycle. These were the women that did still marry but got divorced in the 1990s, when their Millennial kids were young.

Boomers are among the absolute worst piece of **** ever.

Most men are betas. These are the men fighting it out on the swipe apps. They aren't approaching girls on the street. At best, they were getting shiitfaced at bars/clubs and doing approaching while intoxicated. Most men don't have the guts to approach a woman in a non-bar venue without alcohol in their systems.

i met some of the best playboy's and puas abroad or through biz travel. Every race and culture had somebody just wrecking sluts. I always pushback when I hear dorks blame race or culture for not getting girls. Granted, it could be an outlier. It still happened. Interestingly they were short by north American standards. The thing all of them had was hustle and charm. Style was different for each but none were bench warmers. Some were domain dependent. They all had that 'it' factor. Could sell sand in a desert. Men are not putting in a fraction of what they did on a night vs a beta males max output in a life walking on ****in egg shells.

i've been having this happen with my friends too. The friends I have made since moving to my current city in the early 2010s are all playing house with women. Most have chosen to have a polyamorous relationship with the United States government by putting a ring on it, but even the unmarried ones in LTRs are living with their girlfriends. I've dared to be different and charted my own course.

Funny story. I learned it thinking ^ that is endgame. Little did I know, there is no endgame. #nextset 2010 culturally was still a glory time. A few years later the media scandal kicked off along with SJWs. It was a slow burn that accelerated to where we acceleration now.

@SW15 mate, there's men who never met the girl next door. Only knew thots and skanks.

A girl texted me after saying how nervous she was not to mess up and how worried she was that I might not want to see her again. Modern women don't move like this anymore.

Most never married, no kids men are social pariahs by their 30s and are on the fringes of couples dominated social circles.

Agreed.

This is why I like Aaron Clarey who warns guys that the good times will go. To enjoy them while they last.

Game has made me more money, got me beautiful girls, and a better life. Furthermore, you make new buddies along the way. The lack of a shared history growing up as well as generation gaps can be a conflict.

Use game and make friends. I got into with a dude at a bar. Fights about to go. I say 1sec... approach a girl and got a # (back when #s meant something). The guy I was about to throw hands about acted like I had discovered fire. Said respect and wanted to wing me about later lulz!

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don’t get it

If you gotta take pain or humiliation for it, charge them for it.

 

[Zontyy]

I've been in a relationship for 1.5 year mark. 3 months ago, I took my girl to a swingers club down in FL. Started having sex in a very public area and this one girl jumped in and started to kiss my girl and then blow me. She then tried to invite us to a private room with her and her husband. I ended up declining, got our own room and then invited just her to our room without her husband. Ended up having a 3 some which was great. I don't mind going to a swingers club and ****ing some other women along with my girl but I would never condone her getting having another ****. I would leave her instantly and she knows that.

 

[SW15]

I've been in a relationship for 1.5 year mark. 3 months ago, I took my girl to a swingers club down in FL. Started having sex in a very public area and this one girl jumped in and started to kiss my girl and then blow me. She then tried to invite us to a private room with her and her husband. I ended up declining, got our own room and then invited just her to our room without her husband. Ended up having a 3 some which was great. I don't mind going to a swingers club and ****ing some other women along with my girl but I would never condone her getting having another ****. I would leave her instantly and she knows that.

Solid story. The husband of the other woman in your 3some in that really lost out. I bet he was PISSED about that.

 

[Redwolf]

I hear stories of married couples doing cuckoldry and/or swinger stuff. Recently a prominent member of the "manosphere" got exposed for promoting cuckoldry with his wife. Is this fetish based in a secret resentment of their wife? Is it based in homosexuality? Or is the sex life of a married person so boring that this is the ultimate way to spice it up?

Coach Greg Adams recently did a live stream talking about his experiences with married couples at swingers parties. He said the husbands were okay with the sex as long as it just happened that one time. No emotions involved. Maybe being swingers is the only way that a marriage can work. Maybe it serves as a safe release valve for the boredom of monogamy.

My wife and I have done the swinger thing before with other couples. It's a fun time. Some if the most open minded women you will ever meet. I have also done MFM with a few couples. Its a great time. I don't really get the cuckold thing but just a regular threesome is fun.

 

[TheKid]

Its repressed, interalized anger and shame. Eg. Fear of not being enough.

 

[needimprovement250]

I want to echo what some of the others here have said, p0rn is definitely a big contributor to the rise in popularity of the cuckolding fetish. I've been addicted to it since I was 12 and only when I finally had sex for the first time did I realize that I'm more turned on by being in 3rd person and watching other people have sex than I am by having sex myself. I began to believe that a cuckold relationship would be the only one that I would ever be capable of having and that it wouldn't be all bad because I'll still be in a relationship and she'll get to have really good sex whenever she wants and with whoever she wants to. But I've noticed that the longer I stay away from p0rn, the less interested I become in this cuckold thing and instead start to become angry at the idea of my girl getting f*cked by another guy. So to anyone who's a p0rn addict and reading this, try to quit because it might cure this and realize that you aren't actually into this after all.

 

[The Duke]

The two guys I knew that liked to see their women have sex with other dudes were both betas. They both said they felt empowered when they "allowed" their girl to have sex with another man.

Lol I think they were beta fools whom were clueless to the natural behavior of women. Both ended up divorced.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The two guys I knew that liked to see their women have sex with other dudes were both betas. They both said they felt empowered when they "allowed" their girl to have sex with another man.
Lol I think they were beta fools whom were clueless to the natural behavior of women. Both ended up divorced.

How did their lives turn out? I'm really not wired for doing this with MY woman. If I had a whole bunch of girlfriends, I could see letting a couple of them have sex with other men, especially if i got paid for it.

 

[DonJuanjr]

If I had a whole bunch of girlfriends, I could see letting a couple of them have sex with other men, especially if i got paid for it.

Sir, I believe this is called pimpin'.

 

[SW15]

The two guys I knew that liked to see their women have sex with other dudes were both betas. They both said they felt empowered when they "allowed" their girl to have sex with another man.

Lol I think they were beta fools whom were clueless to the natural behavior of women. Both ended up divorced.

I believe that alpha-sigma-beta-omega behaviors operate on a continuum.

Men who exhibit more alpha male type traits are not going to allow their primary girlfriends to have sex with other men. I can't imagine this happening. If a woman is that important to you, her sexual exclusivity is important. No man who would be commonly associated with alpha-sigma type traits is going to feel empowered when his girlfriend is having sex with another man.

Most men are beta males. Beta male behavior falls on a continuum. It's possible to see men who are beta but not completely hopeless (some call this "Greater Beta") and then quite pathetic beta males. Men who allow their primary girlfriend to have sex with other men are betas. @Howiestern -- It is my guess that the men you describe above were letting their so-called monogamous girlfriends to have sex with other men while they weren't banging other women. If that is the case, it is a beta male behavior.

Getting divorced is so common that this isn't a great indicator of alpha-beta. There are more alpha oriented men that get married and divorced, but it is less common than the beta male getting divorced simply because there are far more beta males out there.

How did their lives turn out? I'm really not wired for doing this with MY woman. If I had a whole bunch of girlfriends, I could see letting a couple of them have sex with other men, especially if i got paid for it.

What you describe (minus the pay part) is Caleb Jones/Blackdragon and his Alpha 2.0 lifestyle. Caleb Jones believes the model of monogamous girlfriends leading to monogamous marital relationships has failed. He believes the solution is polyamory/open relationships. In a polyamorous/open relationship system, you as the man are having multiple interactions with women. You are never having sex with one woman at a time. In these poly/open systems, the woman is free to have sex with other men too.

You can't be a cuck if you are in a poly/open system simply because a cuckold is defined as the husband/boyfriend of an unfaithful woman. A woman can't be unfaithful if there is no defined monogamous/sexual exclusivity thing. So while open relationship/swinger guys aren't technically cucks, their interactions with female in reality can often resemble being a cuck.

PUA Nick Krauser has published 2 hit pieces on Caleb Jones/Blackdragon. The first one was the main expose in 2019. The second one, in 2021, demonstrated that Caleb Jones' open relationship wife isn't good looking and well below how sexy he described her.

BlackDragon is a pathetic delusional cuck | Krauser PUA

Lol at Black Dragon | Krauser PUA

I believe that monogamous relationships have shortcoming but I don't think the poly/open/swinging lifestyle is going to be an effective solution for the majority of men. I don't think I could operate in a poly/open/swinging mode and so I have not pursued that path.

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In the last 20-25 years or so, more men have become "soft cucks" at the beginning of interactions. This is more true when men have used dating websites (late 1990s-early 2010s mainly) or swipe apps (early 2010s-present) to meet women. However, this trend dates back strongly to the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s/1970s.

In early stage interactions, man and woman meet somehow, go on some dates, and then end up having sex. A lot of the times, the sex is being had prior to exclusivity being determined. Without exclusivity in the early stage of an interaction, the woman is free to be having sex with other men. Since women on websites in the last 20-25 years have experienced immense demand for access to their vaginas, it's a common behavior for women to enjoy multiple penises while waiting for exclusivity.

Although there's no exclusivity at this point, if a man finds out a woman he's started seeing and sexing is having sex with other men, it doesn't feel good. It feels worse for the man if he's not having sex with other woman at that time.

Partial solutions to this problem would be to not have sex with women until both sides agree on exclusivity. This would slow down the time from meet to bang. If it makes the interaction better, slowing down that pace can be justified. Another solution is to meet women through real life means. You as a man meeting a woman through real life means doesn't stop her from using swipe apps or social media to meet men though it can increase the probability she values you more. The third partial solution to this is to accept that this "soft cuckery" is part of the reality of dating in the present times and to ignore it as best as you can. This is the solution that I think most men use.

 

[DonJuanjr]

To me, cuck only applies when there is some sort of exclusivity/ltr. If a plate is banging other dudes, I don't consider that cuck, as I'm not exclusive to her(even if I don't have other plates at the moment). I don't care if the plate bangs other dudes, she's not "mine".

 

[The Duke]

How did their lives turn out?

...Miserable. it took what little dignity they had in their own manhood. They are the same types of guys that come to souave to share their sob story after the train comes off the tracks and never learn a thing. They never realize their part in their own demise.

 

[SW15]

The two guys I knew that liked to see their women have sex with other dudes were both betas. They both said they felt empowered when they "allowed" their girl to have sex with another man.

Lol I think they were beta fools whom were clueless to the natural behavior of women. Both ended up divorced.

...Miserable. it took what little dignity they had in their own manhood. They are the same types of guys that come to souave to share their sob story after the train comes off the tracks and never learn a thing. They never realize their part in their own demise.

It is not a good existence to have a committed relationship with a woman and she's having sex with other men. The biggest key benefit of a relationship is sexual exclusivity. Sexual exclusivity can make a lot of the other less pleasant stuff associated with relationships more pleasant.

Divorces are common in poly/open/swinger marriages. I have no idea how common divorces are in open marriages as compared to closed marriages. Marriage as a whole isn't doing well in producing "Till Death Do Us Part" relationships. 67% of first marriages fail before the 40th anniversary.