I don't know what to do anymore...

[oakraiderz2]

Why would I want some random stranger to tell me how to live my life?

My life is not something I want to put into other people's hands. I like to think for myself.


The best way to learn philosophy is by living life instead of just letting it pass by you.

Time to follow my passion. I'll drop out of college and become a golf instructor.

That's a thought I've been playing with for a long time I just never had the balls until now to just roll with it.

Dont be so defensive and trasnfer you feelings towards you dad to a counselor. They dont tell you how to live you life, they give you options and help you find a path to to explore. Youre only 19 man, but you seem to have this arrogant flare about you. Philosophy is a bullsh*t degree, like art history. Business is actually practical, although i understand wanted to do something youre interested in. What kind of job do you plan on getting with a BA in philosophy? Are you gonna get a PhD? Do you want to teach? Interested in research? If you havent asked yourself those questions shut the hell up. Cool, youre gonna give up on school cause daddy wont pay? Grow a pair, kid. Thousands of kids pay for school themselves, while you sit here and cry and ***** and quite.

 

[ready123]

Business is overrated anyways. When I look at the high potential MBA morons who walk around here ... they couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper bag. That's not to say they're all stupid...good people managers are worth their weight in gold, but you really have to like doing it. A lot of them just do it for the extra money.

Engineering...hmm well, it's okay but philosophy sounds a lot more interesting. Same goes for psychology (I'm actually thinking of doing psych parttime myself since my compsci/engineering job is starting to bore me to tears).

if you have a business mind, business is definately worth it. and you don't gotta be a manager. The richest guys I know now were Business majors in college who had a plan on what to do with their education and ended up starting their own businesses and doing well. They pull in like 20-30k a month.

I'm engineering too and I think it's one of those things you don't go into unless you enjoy applied math. Your college experience will be like going to med school in that you will give up a lot of time to learn whatever it is you have to learn and if you can't find any enjoyment in it, you'll get depressed.

That doesn't mean that they are unhappy.

I bet those people are happier than the cubicle slaves watching sitcoms all day long after work.

when I was living outta my car I would've loved to have been a cubicle slave. having time to do whatever you want is a luxury. being able to get a decent education is also a luxury. I'm back in school now and it took me over 3 years of workign and saving up to make it happen.

 

[ChrizZ]

Your college experience will be like going to med school in that you will give up a lot of time to learn whatever it is you have to learn and if you can't find any enjoyment in it, you'll get depressed.

That's exactly how I feel right now.

Everything seems completely pointless.

I mean, why would I spend four years of my life studying sh!t I hate just to get some degree and compete with thousands of other students to continue working a job I hate?!

Just because "Well, that's the way life is!"

I don't need some Mr.Knowitall professor that has never practiced what he preaches to tell me when Columbus whacked off on his way to America.

Why would I want to sacrifice my life for society when the only thing I get back is the illusion of status and false confidence in the form of money?!

It seems like everybody's criteria when it comes to choosing a major nowadays is "What will bring me the most $$$?!"

Most college kids I see would kill their own grandma to become rich. They see everybody as competition because they believe life means doing the same things everyone else does, just better. It's a never ending rat race!

I don't need a porsche.
I don't need a rolex.
I don't need a huge mansion.
I don't need some dudes name on my underwear.

The only thing I need is enough $$$ to do the things I enjoy and these are not all luxury material things.

I want to get into the golf biz because that's what I truly enjoy.

Chaos is all around us, we just don't notice it cuz we are just too busy watching sitcoms or browsing the net.

Most people live their lives in quiet desperation. I want to live loud and go down with fireworks ...

 

[BLebowski]

if you have a business mind, business is definately worth it. and you don't gotta be a manager. The richest guys I know now were Business majors in college who had a plan on what to do with their education and ended up starting their own businesses and doing well. They pull in like 20-30k a month.

True, I was perhaps a bit too generalizing. There are business majors who deffo have what it takes, and who are excellent managers or start up their own business and do very well.

I'm engineering too and I think it's one of those things you don't go into unless you enjoy applied math.

True enough, I've always enjoyed my line of work and it has allowed me to reach several personal goals I had set, but it's time to start looking around more. People change over time.

Your college experience will be like going to med school in that you will give up a lot of time to learn whatever it is you have to learn and if you can't find any enjoyment in it, you'll get depressed.

Yep, that's why it's a good idea that Chrizz handles this now instead of 20 years down the line. Chrizz, you say you want to go into the golf biz. Can't you look around for an opportunity to start out in that industry, while at college? Perhaps even do an area your dad would agree with at college. Anyways, good luck man!

 

[MooseGod]

Poor baby. Try living in a mexican ghetto for 6 months where the only hope for a promotion is working as a cashier at walmart. They earn about 200 bucks a month... I feel for you, really I do.

You're kidding me, right? Mexicans seem to have some of the closest families I've ever seen...they laugh a lot more than most white collar cubicle slaves I see. They certainly seem a lot happier, despite their economic situation.

All you people telling this guy to suck it up and be a cubicle slave need to **** off. Nobody knows what he wants out of this world but himself.

You think Bill Gates would be one of the richest men in the world if he finished his tour at Harvard before starting his company? No, somebody (most likely Steve Jobs) would already be making millions on his idea* by the time he graduated.

I'm not saying a college degree isn't a great thing to have, but in the end it's just a piece of paper. It will open doors, but it's not going to guarantee you a damn thing in today's world...although a business or engineering degree will get you a lot farther than a liberal arts degree in most cases.

And college is always going to be there...it will be harder if you decide to go back when you're older, but it can be done. Just be careful to wrap it up every time so you don't accidentally end up with a whole lot of other expenses that will keep you chained down...

*and OK, I'll admit that most of Microsoft's GUI was ripped off of Steve Jobs's design....just play along for the sake of the point I'm trying to make here.

 

[ready123]

I mean, why would I spend four years of my life studying sh!t I hate just to get some degree and compete with thousands of other students to continue working a job I hate?!

Just because "Well, that's the way life is!"

I don't need some Mr.Knowitall professor that has never practiced what he preaches to tell me when Columbus whacked off on his way to America.

Why would I want to sacrifice my life for society when the only thing I get back is the illusion of status and false confidence in the form of money?!

Forget about yuppies and conformity for a bit and look at the practical side of things. Money is always gonna be a necessity to live, which is why your dad is pushing for you to choose another degree. The problem with a lot of humanities majors is that they don't translate into a decent living. At my age, most of the guys who spent 4 years studying sociology or ethnic studies or whatever are paying for it. Some of them ended up going back to school for another degree, others are stuck in a working class job that has nothing to do with what they went to school for - one guy I know ended up being a baker at a supermarket.

The world is big enough that there are many areas you should be able to picture yourself doing for the rest of your life if you get exposure to them. If you enjoy philosophy, that's cool. You also like golf and want to be golf instructor, what if you got a business education and used that to open up a driving range or something like that? If you're sharp enough, you can make it happen, spend your days teaching golf and still pocket enough money to live comfortably.

And I still think the double major is a good compromise. You just gotta figure out what you wouldn't mind learning about that will help you later in life in the practical sense. Otherwise if you wanna go straight to the golf biz and put college on hold, I think it would also be a good learning experience. You'd either make something out of it or return to college with a clearer sense of purpose

 

[The Inside Man]

Sounds alot like when I told my parents I wanted my major to be Political Science. I got resistance the whole way, lots of encouragement to try to get in business school, etc... Then going for my grad degree in org. management was also "not the right choice for me".

You just have to make your own path and stick with it, respect your decision. I was on a job search for over 8 months after graduation, and I may have had an easier time getting a job right out of college if I had a specific business degree like MIS but it wasn't for me. I wanted to learn more about politics, different countries and governments so thats what I did.If you like learning about the world around you, or looking at things in different ways, try some poly sci , sociology, or criminal justice classes. Those were always the most interesting to me.

That said my new job had nothing to do with my college major and I got it because of my work experience during college at a fitness center. So just pick something you think will be interesting to learn about it and then you will enjoy it, and want to do well. A good GPA looks good on a resume, and if you join some clubs and activities it can make up for an arts and sciences or liberal arts degree. good luck!

BTW getting a part time job in your area of interest seems to be a really good idea, it worked for me. So even if its not the best wages get some work experience on the resume before you graduate.

 

[michaelhctam]

I have alot of experience with this actually.

What you have to do is to literally gather up some research about the subject that you want to do, and list all the advantages of doing that subject and how it will reflect onto your future.

Sit them down and talk about it slowly, I persuaded my parents I wanted to do hospitality managment instead of mechanical engineering- I told them:

"Mom, Dad- I think that hospitality managment should be my way forward because if you look at this graph here, it shows that the hospitality industry is one of the fastest growing and with the expanding middle class of countries such as China, I believe I will find ample employment!" - yada yada yada, something like that.

Be professional about it and show your maturity, show that you can make your own decisions.

This is only a guess- maybe you father dosent think you are mature and/or well-knowledged enough to make your own decisions? Maybe......you have to prove to him you know your stuff.

Best of luck to you, friend.

 

[Ripper]

That's exactly how I feel right now.

Everything seems completely pointless.

I mean, why would I spend four years of my life studying sh!t I hate just to get some degree and compete with thousands of other students to continue working a job I hate?!

Just because "Well, that's the way life is!"

I don't need some Mr.Knowitall professor that has never practiced what he preaches to tell me when Columbus whacked off on his way to America.

Why would I want to sacrifice my life for society when the only thing I get back is the illusion of status and false confidence in the form of money?!

It seems like everybody's criteria when it comes to choosing a major nowadays is "What will bring me the most $$$?!"

Most college kids I see would kill their own grandma to become rich. They see everybody as competition because they believe life means doing the same things everyone else does, just better. It's a never ending rat race!

I don't need a porsche.
I don't need a rolex.
I don't need a huge mansion.
I don't need some dudes name on my underwear.

The only thing I need is enough $$$ to do the things I enjoy and these are not all luxury material things.

I want to get into the golf biz because that's what I truly enjoy.

Chaos is all around us, we just don't notice it cuz we are just too busy watching sitcoms or browsing the net.

Most people live their lives in quiet desperation. I want to live loud and go down with fireworks ...

A-****ing-men.

 

[bbestar]

I feel great right now.

Everything seems completely to have a point.

I love to spend four years of my life studying Awesome stuff, I love to get a degree and beat thousands of other students to work at a job I love

Well this is what I want my life to be.

 

[bbestar]

^
fuzzx is right


Your father as caring, loving and willing to sacrifice his time and money for your success is rare nowadays.

I'm thankful my father is like that.


Just be satisfied, happy, thankful and grateful for what you have, parents, house, food.

Then just have playful intention of what you want to experience, not really needing it.

And you never know what might happen

 

[Mason3385]

Try to ask your father what he wants you to be? Sad, but wealthy or happy with your life as YOU live it. I hope that he will understand then.

 

[theunflushables]

I want to get into the golf biz because that's what I truly enjoy.

What about getting your education in buisness with a focus on etntrepenuership and do something golf related with it? Have your cake and eat it too.

 

[ChrizZ]

What about getting your education in buisness with a focus on etntrepenuership and do something golf related with it? Have your cake and eat it too.

The golf college I'll go to also teaches business.

 

[SinJester]

People's views just depend on their experiance. I know where you are coming from. Everyone tells me to go straight for the money and be a doctor/lawyer or whatever else supposedly rakes in the cash. Studies show a lot of countries a lot worse off than the US are happier on average.

Some people here live in poor countries and are telling ChrizZ to go straight for the money but it's not like he's going to be in poverty if he doesn't get a engineering or business degree.

My Dad tells me to go for the money and all he cares about in his own life is material wealth. I don't want to be like that. You can't just live the life your father wants.

I'm thinking about getting a degree in psychogy because that's what I'm really interested in. There is a decent amount of money in that to right? I mean it's not like I'm going to be out of a job.

 

[ChrizZ]

Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.
-Confucius

Sinjester:

If you study psychology you will find out that intrinsic motivation beats extrinsic motivation (money).

Go for what YOU want and not what the media, parents, teachers etc tell you...