I do not understand some of you guys!!!!!

[Ayoooo]

Hello all,

I need some of you to clear things up with me. I've been reading loads of information from this site and some tips you give are really good.But a lot of times I have noticed when it comes to advice on relating to women I find the advice a bit funny.

For example, nearly all the time when someone comes in here with problems with thier GF/ltr and they say something about the women paying them less attention etc etc you guys always say to ignore here etc etc and that's no way a relationship works. Well it would work if it's a relationship that dones't mean that much.

The way I see it, is if you start playing games and TRYING to change the way you are to just get attention etc from a girl then that girl is not worth going out with her unless sex is her only use. I guess what i'm getting at with this post is that a lot of advice here not really for LTR and people in a serious realtionship. If you was to apply a lot of these tips to a LTR you would only be installing insecurities into a women and given them doubt. And from my expirence that is one of the worst things you can give a women.IT makes her question who YOU are.

I do NOT believe in guys being a total push over, I would say I am not that. But I do love my girlfriend and would not risk installing insec or try and hurt her to remain in control. I have got loads to learn about realtionships it never ends but likewise if a women was to try and play games etc that is a women that is not worth my time.

So do you guys apply this informtion to your, Wife/Fiance/LTR ?

 

[MissionX]

Sometimes when I am fixing a problem, depends on who you ask really.

 

[Jariel]

So do you guys apply this informtion to your, Wife/Fiance/LTR ?

No. I let her know that I have options and won't be taken for granted, but there are no games in my relationship. I wouldn't tolerate my gf playing mindgames with me, and I don't expect her to tolerate it either.

All these games are aimed at people who can't get women through their natural character and confidence, and they only really work on insecure women and attention wh0res anyway. Confident women won't give these games the time of day.

That's why you don't find many guys with LTRs in the seduction community.

 

[Docs]

That's why you don't find many guys with LTRs in the seduction community.

That's a contridiction within itself. The instant you have a LTR, it's not seduction anymore, because she's already seduced.

There are techniques here that will land you girls, but you have to figure out at some point when they apply and when they stop applying. There IS a line between playing the seduction/attraction game, and a point where it's completely unnecessary because you've entered the realm of a LTR, where the rules and circumstances are completely different. You might see each other 3 times a week, sleep over at each other's houses every so often, share rides, pool money towards a common goal, etc.

Just helping to clarify.

 

[Jay Jay]

I have a theory.

I hear what you are saying. A lot of dudes give advise based on real solid concepts but they either don't get it themselves or don't go indepth enough so it is out of context.

The point is that a lot of us lost some really good relationships with girls who worshipped us when we stopped being a challenge.

Sure playing games is bull****. But at the same time if a girl is TOO comfortable she'll get bored, lose respect and leave.

Check Pook in tips, particularly his Anti-Dump Machine posts. Generally the advise that you are talking about is what is there, but it is articulated properly and it goes indepth about why.

In a nutshell what they are really saying is that to keep the girl you need to keep your own life.

Remain true to YOURSELF!

REMAIN THE CENTRE OF YOUR OWN EXISTANCE!!!

Its not the same as playing games and it definately isn't changing.

Check it out, it might save you a lot of pain. Trust me, just about every guy here who has been burned can testify that giving up your focus on yourself to focus on a girl is the road to heartbreak.

JJ

 

[Jariel]

That's a contridiction within itself. The instant you have a LTR, it's not seduction anymore, because she's already seduced.

Fair point!

I guess what I meant to say is that master seducers aren't always good at keeping relationships. It's a whole different story.

Just remember, when you're with someone a lot and for a long time, they will see the real you sooner or later, so you better make sure your foundation has more to it than mindgames and gimmicks.

 

[sparky0000]

The caliber of female that the so called "DJ's" get is really pathetic. I find it funny that so many view it as a challenge to get a tramp. As if getting something after 56 other guys have gotten it is something to be proud of. I wish these DJ characters would post pictures and complete sexual histories of their hb10.5's. It might be interesting.

The "seduction community" is a business. Remember that. Insecure guys are the target market. This is the same group who stand around the bookstore reading sex books. The same group that purchases Viagra. The same group who lifts weights because they think that females are visual creatures. The same group that constantly searches for guys to laugh at. Kinda like the bully at school that is crying in the inside.

As I have said before. Be who you really are. That will attract plenty of people to you.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

That's a contridiction within itself. The instant you have a LTR, it's not seduction anymore, because she's already seduced....

OOoooo... Gotta disagree with ya' a bit there. I agree that once you are in a relationship the dynamics adjust but the thing that keeps the relationship fresh (and your woman sexy if she's paying attention) is your continuing seduction of your woman. Typically, a woman who is romanced is more willing to provide sex consistently. When a couple is in a relationship where the sex is consistent (and good), they tend to be more willing to work through issues (or overlook them).

 

[isoman2kx]

As I have said before. Be who you really are. That will attract plenty of people to you.

yes and no. granted, you can't become just a completely different person.

i think you've gotta keep some of the original beliefs/values that made you, you. to say you can get girls just by being who you really are is false.

if you got plenty of girls being who you were, why would you even bother being here or any other seduction community? chances are being who you are (and we're talking no adjustments whatsoever from here or anywhere), isn't getting you the results you want.

 

[Hoogie]

This post thread says everything I've wanted to say for a long long time.

I think to use this site correctly you really have to pick and choose advice carefully.
Take the tips that make sense and you think will work... dont think of them in an "ideal world" sense but in a truthful sense.. as much as it may not work with your current ideals.

A LOT of the info here i believe wont apply to LTR but the select few that does I think is good... and the underlying basics of some of the pickup techniques can work well too.
Just gotta pick what will work well for you but be truthful

 

[Ayoooo]

This post thread says everything I've wanted to say for a long long time.

I think to use this site correctly you really have to pick and choose advice carefully.
Take the tips that make sense and you think will work... dont think of them in an "ideal world" sense but in a truthful sense.. as much as it may not work with your current ideals.

A LOT of the info here i believe wont apply to LTR but the select few that does I think is good... and the underlying basics of some of the pickup techniques can work well too.
Just gotta pick what will work well for you but be truthful

:rockon:

 

[L777]

All these games are aimed at people who can't get women through their natural character and confidence, and they only really work on insecure women and attention wh0res anyway. Confident women won't give these games the time of day.

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BS. I have been with a fair few women using seduction techniques. None were attention *****s or particularly insecure. Thi is an unfair generalisation.

 

[GloriouslyInsane]

Actually everything on this site is an offspring of 2 tips or rules(call them whatever you want).Grow some balls and have fun.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Jon55]

I used to be able to attract girls (and people in general) when I was really being me. When I started using tips from the seduction community I noticed that I started getting girls who either had low self esteem, were not very outgoing (I hate that - and LOVE outgoing girls), and party girls who only ever liked drinking or smoking (neither of which I'm big on). Now I could of gotten an easy lay from any one of these chicks but they were all turn offs so instead I chose not to go forward with them (girls get pissy when you do this I found out ).


Since I've started to go back to my original ways I see an upswing in my mood, and am attracting all the right girls again, and life couldn't be better. But I'm not saying I still don't have girl issues. I'm not saying the seduction community has nothing to offer, but I think it could use some better role models sometimes instead of post by guys that are like "I was chillin at the bar the other night and this HB 10+ and her friends started working the stripper pole, so I decided to make my move....".

If you are a guy who has low self esteem and confidence issues then this place can be a lot of help for you. Props to Hoogie & sparky0000 for what they said.

Grow some balls and have fun. Just my 2 cents.

Someone get this man a beer and a medal.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

I dunno if you're a husband or bf from what I see you're like the girl of the relationship to begin with.

No offense to anybody then why are you on a dating site?You might want to go to a counselor.

IMO,IMHO....the only way to keep the wifey in check is by cheating on her and making her suspicious of what you do and keep her mind on you and not giving other,more dangerous problems(money issues,your career,your parents,children,marriage,etc)..

There's really no winning in an LTR if you're a guy,man.

 

[escobar04]

I see where this guys is going with this, this s self-improvement forum

you imrpove your life and yourself and thus imrpoving your "game with the ladies"

this has nothing to with LTRs though, that part is all up to you