I can't get past expecting women to live by principle.

[Atom Smasher]

lol...^

And of course you disagree with what I referred to as my code(lol). Can you not tell we are two very different people? Your one of those men who believes "what comes around goes around" and "Ill get whats coming to me." Im just another young punk to you.
I look out for no one but my friends and family. I owe nothing to everyone else in this world. Everyone has hardships in their life, I just have a cut throat attitude so I can enjoy life to to fullest.

***The funny thing is I guarantee if you met me on the streets some day you would leave the conversation thinking im a very respectable young man. Its harder to see what people believe in than what you think. You cant just have a few conversations with someone and walk away knowing their "character and morals". Peoples principles are not displayed for the public eye.

You act as if it is an impossible task, to find a women you can respect. But is it really a shock that more often that not your not compatible with someone's personality? You dont have to change your attitude toward women, continue to dislike the ones you dislike(the majority of them). And like the select few that you happen to match up with.

At least you seem to have a grasp on self-awareness...

No, I don't think you're just another young punk. You're a typical 19 year old kid with limited life experience, and there's nothing whatsoever wrong with that. You're atypical in that you do seem to have a particularly "cutthroat" (as you word it) attitide, and I'm just letting you know that can't be sustained without severe hardship backlashing on you. Perhaps my mentioning it now will allow you to see it coming and avoid it ("early detection").

On another note, one thing you will find when you get into your 40s and 50s is that all you need is a handshake and a 5 minute conversation to size up a man very accurately. You will know in that time frame exactly where his morals lie if you know how to elicite the information. I do this in business all the time, and believe me, I'm careful who I do business with. This is impossible to even imagine when you're in your teens and twenties. It comes about with age and experience. Some, and I stress the word some of the older guys here know exactly what I'm talking about. Instinct takes over and informs.

I chose to address you because you're young and came in with your guns blazing. I think you're going to do fine in life and slowly turn your aggression into positive ambition. You'll learn that living entirely for yourself and a few select others diminishes a man over time, while living to help others and make real change in the world for the benefit of others makes giants of men. When I was 19 just a short time ago, and I used to laugh at the "old-timers" too (anyone over 28, lol).

 

[Atom Smasher]

I think you expect too much from women. We know the truth and have seen it for ourselves how women act and their nature.

I know what you mean, but it seems wrong to let people slide on the basis of their gender. Again, I'm talking about the basics traits of a quality person, here.

I'm sure I take them too seriously. All I can do is experiment with the one I'm currently becoming involved with. By experiment I mean try to take her less seriously and become more strategic and tactical in dealing with her inconsistencies. I have made some progress there, but obviously I need to make more.

I wonder if I should give up on the concept of "respecting" them. Is that concept even relevent? Should a man even concern himself with repecting a woman? And if so, what about a woman garners respect? Just throwing it on the table.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Your problem is that your taking women entirely too seriously. How are you as a man going to take women seriously and hold them to the same standard you would a man when women don't take themselves seriously and cherry pick when the what equity?

I think you're right, Maximus. I have to work on taking them much less seriously. I think you're hitting the nail on the head. Not sure I understand the last few words of your post.

 

[Atom Smasher]

SPS-at 19, you can THINK you'll screw me over if it gives you a leg up. What you may not realize is I could be testing you and "you'll never hear the shot that kills you"[or the line in the contract thats a dagger in your heart when you try to stab us in the back].That may work with the young and dumb,but at a certain level, we've seen/done it all. SO when you try to break into our level with that lame sh1t we'll bury you.

Well said. Wit and formlessness will trump youthfull aggression every time. I've buried a few here and there, and each time it was way too easy. Fish in a barrel.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Double.

 

[Nutz]

Hey guys,

I'm noticing more and more that I am having a very hard time respecting women because they are not expected to live by principle. When I deal with a man I respect him for keeping his word, answering questions directly, and living by a code of ethics.

I look at women and see that they seem to be the antithesis of this. I can't help but think that this is a relatively new (30 years or so) phenomenon.

I can't tell you how it pisses me off when I ask a woman a question and she dances around it in vagaries. Or the classic of calling her on her sh!t and seeing her deflect blame to me or someone else. They seem to be utterly, completely incapable of a rational conversation when it comes to conflict, and also completely incapable of taking responsibility for her actions.

To me this demonstrates a lack of character and moral fiber.

Obviously all my life I've been expecting women to show the same "live by principal" traits that most well-rounded men show (or at least aspire to), and I have been searching in vain for the one who can demonstrate this.

So how can I resolve this in my mind? I despise seeing a person deflect responsibility, assign blame, and dance around questions, and yet it seems that this is standard procedure for women. I feel like I am dealing with children. Even the 50 year old kindergarten teacher I'm speaking with by phone and will meet this week, shows these signs (like me, she is a super-young looking 50).

I need to find a way to respect women and like them for what they are, but so far I haven't been able to. They just seem to be lacking in character and morals (not referring to s3x here), and I can't find a way to resolve this conflict in my mind. Help me out, guys. I need some kind of attitude adjustment, but I am clueless as to how to fix this.

Thanks in advance.

Read this:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1607877#post1607877

 

[DanelMadr]

I like this guy, especially what he said up there. Very good and realistic view of life. He will go far. You people wonder why you live life day to day looking around, pining for other's attention. What is the alpha male? He's the guy that doesn't give a sh1t about you. You are insignificant. Until you earn his attention, his respect. So you do funny sh1t, try to say something funny to girls to get the mto like you...to respect you. Yeah, keep doing that. But what you should do is start off on the high ground. Everyone else is nothing, they have to earn every minute of your time.

hmm and just to add some stuff on what atom said.

Play hard ball, but play it smart. You don't go out guns blazing yelling "I HAVE NO MORALS I THINK You're all ****s!!!!"
you gotta go sam fischer on them.

Dude, thats retarded.

First...alpha male concept of behavior is just a concept.
Second...alpha males actually do care about others. They provide for the whole pack. "Alpha male" who eats first and eats it all too is worthless as a leader and will be killed by the pack sooner or later.
You are either an enlightened leader or a fvcking azzhole dictator.

I'm not saying to give a shyt about other people opinions, especially if you don't respect them as good people. But going around thinking "I'm the alphamale here" is actually very retarded.


OP,

You should be looking for a woman who is attractive and extremely loyal to you. Then she won't lead you on in any way and will maintain good ethics towards you. That is what matters. Women also don't expect you to shave your legs, look pretty and breast feed the baby.

I don't know many Men who have good morals, honesty and ethics. It is very hard to find one. To find someone like this with a vagina and boobs might be even harder, although they exist. But why even try? I'm absolutely OK if she does not steal, lie, cheat or kill people. Because after she falls in love with me she takes over my list of values, because there is a chance her list of values is empty in most cases. But again I know girls who have their lists and probably longer than mine....but they are not attractive.