I can't believe I'm posting this...

Eulogy

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Well... I'll forewarn you this will be another sort of "my dad is nuts, what can I do?" type of thread but at least you will witness great punctuation and paragraph structure.

So I'm 18. Since that's the legal age here in Canada as the weather got warmer I started doing more nightgame (like bars and clubs).

I live in a bilingual town, so the only way I can access the more urban, english-speaking place in the Province (Montreal) is by taking the bus and going there (50 minute ride).

Of course, pre-game I never went out like this for no reason. For a while now, this has been infuriating my father but I never really understood why that was.

So anyway, yesterday I went out at 12a.m. with my wing and came back at 3a.m.... I told my parents that it was going to be late. My dad was concerned but it had nothing to do with the fact that it was late.

There is a part of the city ,Ste-Catherines street in Montrea,l that has a few gay bars... and you can sometimes see the couples walking in the street and holding hands and ****. However that street has also some of the best nightclubs and bars in town (for anyone who's ever went there you know how awesome it is)

Montreal has some of the RICHEST life night in all of Canada... ... it is *the* ****ing place to go to sarge.

It just so happened that the club I went to was on the same *huge* street that a couple of gay bars are on, that my dad had seen when he lived close by a few years prior.

My dad found out where I went and he gave me this huge lecture and this huge speech about how he KNOWS that that "town/street" is reputed as being the gay part of town and that there are nothing but gays and junkies and that he doesn't want me hanging around there.

He's a pretty hardcore christian and basically thinks that all gays are criminals and should be shot.

Thinking I knew where he was getting at with the lecture, I calmly told him that I went there to meet GIRLS... I explained to him the concept of nightclubs and how normal people, both guys and girls alike go there to socialise and have a good time. "Why can't you just go to a museum or cinema like a normal man to meet a girl?" said my Dad.

The convo went something like this:

Dad: I don't want you hanging around there! I lived there for 2 years and I know there are nothing but faggots holding hands walking down the streets and drug dealers at every corner! There aren't even any police to regulate this! My friend, when he first came to Canada (we're russian) went to have a drink in a bar there and he got hit on by men! He was infuriated that such blasphemy could be allowed!

Me: Listen... I understand that there are parts of the town where gay people get together however the club I went to was NOT for gays. It's a very high-class place where guys and girls get together!

Dad: I understand that you can sometimes find a pearl within a pile of ****, but WHY go there? WHY hang out where gays are? Why are you doing this to me?

Me: Look.. I don't condone being gay.. I understand where you're coming from... but jesus dad, they're not criminals.. do you want them all locked up or something?

Dad: YES! They are all criminals. Did you know that gays are the reason AIDS is spreading so fast?

Me: (at this point I just start getting a headache and don't know how to explain it any clearer)

Dad: Look, I can't stop you from going there, that would only make matters worse, but it breaks my heart that MY OWN SON is defending gays. I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS.

Me: I'M NOT DEFENDING THEM, I just think they have their own rights and it's better to just let them be than invest energy into hating them.

Dad: STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT bla bla bla.

Me: Look, I can't make this any clearer. Although there are homosexuals that hang out there, that street has some of the best nightclubs in the city where I can meet girls and socialise.

Dad: Why aren't girls calling you? I want girls to call you. Not guys named Jack (my wing).

Me: I purposely don't invite girls home and don't let them call me at home because of YOU... you embarass me.

Dad: STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT bla bla bla.

So basically... I can't change the way my dad things. I tried agreeing.. disagreeing.. whatever. He is really, genuinly dissapointed in me because I don't agree that gays are criminals and I don't go to church with him.

I tried explaining to him that in 2006, you just can't think like that.

I told him that I, nor anyone else could live a fullfilling life living up ALL the values of my parents and he just has to understand that.

I don't know what to do.. I see on one side what i'm doing is making my dad ill... he's gettting older and well.. I don't want him to worry all the time.

On the other hand, I want to make the most of my summer and sarge my ass off and I can only do that in Montreal.

PS: I'm straight, duh.

Thanks for listening, this is embarassing as hell for me.
 

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You don't need to be embarassed, it's not that big a deal. I was embarassed about my parents at 18 - I don't know an 18 year old who's not. Do you have any female friends you can explain the situation to that can call just to calm him down? Maybe you can comprimise with him, are you opposed to going to church on Sundays? Why don't you have a cell phone?

Probably the only way you're going to be free of his greif is by getting yourown apartment. I'm sure you've already thought of that, but try to kick it up a notch and move out sooner.
 

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Shiftkey said:
You don't need to be embarassed, it's not that big a deal. I was embarassed about my parents at 18 - I don't know an 18 year old who's not. Do you have any female friends you can explain the situation to that can call just to calm him down? Maybe you can comprimise with him, are you opposed to going to church on Sundays? Why don't you have a cell phone?

Probably the only way you're going to be free of his greif is by getting yourown apartment. I'm sure you've already thought of that, but try to kick it up a notch and move out sooner.
Thanks man. Yeah, I actually have my sister on the phone with my mom trying to explain to her.

I'm getting a cellphone soon.

My mom says the issue my dad has with this is that I'm going to that particular part of town.

So I'll just flat out tell him - ok, fine. you know what? I'll go to another part and I'll show you exactly where it is. We'll see how that goes....

I'll tell you one thing, I'm more open and honest with them than 90% of guys my age and they don't appreciate it for ****.
 

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Dad: I understand that you can sometimes find a pearl within a pile of ****, but WHY go there? WHY hang out where gays are? Why are you doing this to me?
Christ, I hate that. Everything that you do that he doesn't approve of, is apparently an attack on him. I went through the same crap, so I moved out.

Sometimes, there's just no reasoning with stubborn people. Start telling him that you're going to the non-gay part of Montreal just to shut him up. Even though it's lying, it's sometimes best to tell people what they want to hear because they won't listen to anything else.
 

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Eulogy,

I think you're handling yourself just fine. There's always going to be friction between generations. You're doing your best to communicate with him. That's as much as anyone should expect.

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Jesus, If I didn't do everything my dads thrown a hissy-fit over I'd never do anything. I wasn't even allowed to wear a hat indoors. He kicked and screamed because I broke $200 for a phone. I got the old "In my day we had to use money to survive/you dont know the value of money" bollocks. I'd argue with him, but he'd just btch and moan that much, the easiest solution is to just lie.

"yeah, I don't visit that section of town anymore, you were right about it"
"Nah, my phone cost $50"

Like so, they're none the wiser, 'coz if your dad is anything like mine, he's stupid.
 

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Yea you dont have to always tell the truth all the time sometimes just twist the truth a bit. Your doing really well seeing how hardcore anti gay yuor old man is, try and explain it to him this way, tell him the more gay dudes that are out there mean the more single good looking girls without any b/fs.

Its just your folks are from a different genration and have a different view on the world.
 

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There is a part of the city ,Ste-Catherines street in Montrea,l that has a few gay bars... and you can sometimes see the couples walking in the street and holding hands and ****. However that street has also some of the best nightclubs and bars in town (for anyone who's ever went there you know how awesome it is)
You mean...Frontanc St?..or it's Catherine, one of the two, I don't have my map.
Yeah!
 

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Eulogy said:
Dad: I don't want you hanging around there! I lived there for 2 years and I know there are nothing but faggots holding hands walking down the streets and drug dealers at every corner! There aren't even any police to regulate this! My friend, when he first came to Canada (we're russian) went to have a drink in a bar there and he got hit on by men! He was infuriated that such blasphemy could be allowed!

Me: Listen... I understand that there are parts of the town where gay people get together however the club I went to was NOT for gays. It's a very high-class place where guys and girls get together!
I feel you'll not agree with me but I must say you listen to your father. He has a lot of experience and has seen a lot that you probably have not seen. I thought he was preventing you from going ANY club. That will definately be wrong. You're probably the only son he has and is looking forward to seeing your seeds one day. He is just afraid that right now that you may fall a culprit to those fags on the street. Trust me, as long as you stay with your parents, no matter how old you are, they still consider you a "child". And will try to tell you what is "good" for you. Right now, just like Shiftkey says, consult one of your female friends to perhaps accompany you to the club or some to convince your dad that you'll not turn into one of the fags on the street.
 

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my dad is the same way.... my dad once thought for a while that i was gay because i fawk-hawked my hair just because he remember seeing gays with the same hair-style .... he threaten me alot to stop styleing my hair that way .... at our family new years party at granny's house i hawked my hair but he was all happy about it and when we where all hugging each other saying happy new years i went to go hug my dad and when i did he grabbed my hair tight as hell and told me in my ear..."if u dont f*cking go to the restroom and fix your f*cking hair right im going to kick your a**"....then went on smiling and sh*t...i swear that fool is crazy.....but my dad aint no christin he's straight up evil
 

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but i dont really like to gloat over the past i just move on ... i expect the worst and just live with it .... it dosnt bother me...ohh and the funny thing is down here in houston theres a street like the one u discribed and its called montrose....i just thought id share my story....your not alone dude its gonna be cool
 

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Hey IndieWeaR, thanks for contributing.

My case is a little different in the sense that my dad has little power over me (he's never snapped or done anything like you've just described *ever*).

The only reason I'm posting this thread is to see.. well.. am I sane? I'm sure I can't be the culprit. And really, I know this causes grief for my dad so I wanna ease it for him. The problem is really that... well.. he thinks that I should live up to his ideals. He thinks that a family should stick together and I'm sort of violating the whole thing... if that makes sense.
 

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"Dad: Why aren't girls calling you? I want girls to call you. Not guys named Jack (my wing)."

Lmao - your Dad's a homophobic Fundy loser. Does he have something against rich people too? Because the Bible also says "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

You could yank his chain though and ashamedly tell him you knocked a girl up. But veeerryyy subtly implying you did it to prove to him you're straight. That should get him guilt-trippin, lol...
 

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if i were u i would tell my dad that i love him and say that there is no way that u will ever turn gay ..say that u love girls and your just gonna have to trust me on this that i am completely straight ...then some other day leave a pix of a u and some girls lying around in your room that he can for surely find or just leave one open on your computer then walk in a little after and say something like ... ohh thats so and so she's a cool girl im about to call her after i do this and that... try it and see if it works
 

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My dad's somewhat the same way. If we ever had that conversation I'd probably say something along the lines of

"Dad, I'm straight. Although that shouldn't matter, because I'm also your son. Ever hear of this little thing called 'Love thy neighbor?' I see your respecting that quite well."

And just leave. Don't let him argue with you, completely ignore after that point.
 
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