I cannot have an LTR with a woman as an older guy if she doesn't make me feel like the prize.

[mrgoodstuff]

Based on what measurement? If it's the best sex he ever had, your pretending unemployed men somehow get better sex is not an argument. If the older guy gives her her first orgasm, that means she liked him better than the younger guys who did not give her her first orgasm.

Name one example where an older man can pick up a younger girl without any of her peers ever knowing. That doesn't happen. I picked up my girlfriend while seated with 3 girls her age, who drilled me with questions for 30 minutes, all of them staring at full attention to my every nuance. I then managed to pull off a 3 way kiss with the 2 hottest ones and my (now) girlfriend later said "After you left every girl in the room came over and told me I should date you, that we have chemistry". I'm 25 years older.

Implying that the younger guy is better looking strictly based on age is also false.

What you're saying is "My woman might be out with an older guy tonight because he can afford to pay for dinner, but she brags to her sister about me!"

I'm an " older " guy... Anyways if she's not showing you off or bragging about you she's likely giving it up better to the guy closer to her age group that all her friends are talking about. He doesn't even have to be employed. That's the game these days. They'll use a stable older man as a sugar daddy or provider and he may get token sex while shell feel connection and longing for one in her age group and hell be able to do anything to her.

 

[SmooveMooves]

What you have to offer might just be your looks, your charisma, your conversation and your appeal.

This is what I was referring to. Its all I offer that's for damn sure.

 

[lizardking82]

I'm an " older " guy... Anyways if she's not showing you off or bragging about you she's likely giving it up better to the guy closer to her age group that all her friends are talking about. He doesn't even have to be employed. That's the game these days. They'll use a stable older man as a sugar daddy or provider and he may get token sex while shell feel connection and longing for one in her age group and hell be able to do anything to her.

I find the other case around to be more common, tbh. She will **** this young guy and she will be longing for the daddy. Daddy issues has become an increasing issue in young girls, it;s also logical, with the rise of single mom families lately.

 

[bigneil]

I'm an " older " guy... Anyways if she's not showing you off or bragging about you she's likely giving it up better to the guy closer to her age group that all her friends are talking about. He doesn't even have to be employed. That's the game these days. They'll use a stable older man as a sugar daddy or provider and he may get token sex while shell feel connection and longing for one in her age group and hell be able to do anything to her.

Well in my case, my girl was living with a 23 year old unemployed guy when I started dating her. He was a body builder and she had lots on Instagram photos of them together. He never once made her come. She fell in love with me, her dad liked me better, and eventually (without my asking) she dumped his sorry ar-se and moved out. So you can't paint everyone with the same broad brush of (broke youth > successful middle age), pardon the pun.

 

[bigneil]

LARaiders almost gets it right but in his attempt to polarize himself a date, he forgot the most important one.

Here is a revised example of an average 21 year old girls man list:

1. Sugar daddy - older guy ( 50-90 years old) who is not that good looking but, being happy to smell her PU$$ once a week he is willing to pay her rent and car not...

2. Lover - man who is in his 30's or 40's and in shape. She has fantasized about him all her life. The professional. The professor. The psychologist. The doctor. Christian Grey. He wines and dines her and treats her like a lady. She goes on vacations with him. He teaches her about the different types of orgasms she can have. He can support her and is there when she needs him, but he lets her be completely free. He has lots of other women at his disposal so she is loyal to him. She thinks of him as a boyfriend but can't own him so he remains a challenge.

3. Boyfriend - guy her age who is hip and in style usually a pretty boy that she can show off to her friends and family but they remind her he needs to get a job or he can never support a family. Many of her friends can stand guys their own age and ask her when she will find a real man. Broke men pretend this is where you want to be, because this is their best chance to score today, without working, which they never did.

4. Thugg/Fbuddy - a shady guy usually 5 to 10 years older than her who comes and goes but she Fs him vigorously when ever she can and he provides the mystery danger and excitement she craves. Young men pretend 5-10 years older is the limit of how much she can be attracted to.

5. Dope boy/ drug supplier - there is a little talked about epidemic of drug use happening now with girls between 18 and 25.. and its oh so easy for them to score their drug of choice buy providing sexual favors to the Dope boy/ drug supplier and sometimes his good friends when she is high enough.

6. Gay male friend - Gayness and bisexuality is running rampant amoung young frustrated males these days and females love gay men. They will spend tons of time together at the mall etc. talking about sex and men then quite often will experiment sexually with each other but never tell anyone.....

So choose which dude you wanna be in her life...

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Well in my case, my girl was living with a 23 year old unemployed guy when I started dating her. He was a body builder and she had lots on Instagram photos of them together. He never once made her come. She fell in love with me, her dad liked me better, and eventually (without my asking) she dumped his sorry ar-se and moved out. So you can't paint everyone with the same broad brush of (broke youth > successful middle age), pardon the pun.

You can't paint them the same. But each generation brings its own oddities and social norms.

 

[bigneil]

An attempt is made to suggest that women prefer men exactly their age (which is pure absurdity, women at least want a guy 3 years older as they are physically more mature than men).

To suggest that if a man is not her age he must be a thug or sugar daddy is a nice try, but where would you put Melania Trump (being 25 years Donald's junior) in the list? Trump was her lover.

 

[marmel75]

With the way I see it after taking the red pill, when women were in their primes and dating younger guys, they made them feel like the prize. Countless photos on social media, bragging to their friends about it, and showing off their trophy boyfriend.

It is why the idea of being the older guy who she sleeps with but has to hide from her friends if she is younger or the older guy she is settling for when she is older makes me cringe. For me, I simply cannot entertain an LTR with a woman until she convinces me that I am getting the same treatment as her high school or college boyfriend.

I do not see how guys in here can date hot girls but live with the pity sex.

Even older guys who pay for women as they go out with them, I cannot respect that at all.

To me, there is no point in an LTR as an older guy unless she is putting forth all of her effort into making you feel like her king or her precious trophy.

But older women refuse to do that because countless suckers with a lack of self-respect would let a woman disrespect them just so they can get pity sex.

Sounds like your need for validation from women has never left, only changed its form.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Sounds like your need for validation from women has never left, only changed its form.

Being the prize is not about validation but its about how we allow ourselves to be treated.

 

[marmel75]

Being the prize is not about validation but its about how we allow ourselves to be treated.

"She has to make me feel like I'm the prize"
His exact words.

That equals he needs her validation, or else he is some type of egomaniac.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

"She has to make me feel like I'm the prize"
His exact words.

That equals he needs her validation, or else he is some type of egomaniac.

He might just prefer not to screw with a female who doesn't hold him in high regard. That mindset keeps your confidence high.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Have you ever had anything but heartache and wasted time from women that didn't treat you so?

You nailed it right here. Anything less and you get the selfish crappy treatment many of us complain about.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

So guys... On the train of LARaiders85 thought, when have you not been the "prize" that it was worth it with a female? When I look back through
all of my experiences it was only those that saw something special/different in me that let them pedestal me somewhat over the pack that were worth it. Any female who
treated me like one of the guys, or "normal" or like she's all that it was NEVER ever worth it. NEVER.

 

[btownbuck2012]

So guys... On the train of LARaiders85 thought, when have you not been the "prize" that it was worth it with a female? When I look back through
all of my experiences it was only those that saw something special/different in me that let them pedestal me somewhat over the pack that were worth it. Any female who
treated me like one of the guys, or "normal" or like she's all that it was NEVER ever worth it. NEVER.

My question with being the prize is how are you supposed to maintain that kind of frame over a long period of time? I've been held up on a pedestal by women only to get knocked off when familiarity sets in. I just feel like with the expectations women have these days that nothing will ever really satisfy them long term. How do you combat that?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My question with being the prize is how are you supposed to maintain that kind of frame over a long period of time? I've been held up on a pedestal by women only to get knocked off when familiarity sets in. I just feel like with the expectations women have these days that nothing will ever really satisfy them long term. How do you combat that?

Can stay busy and keep hobbies outside of them. Keep them out of some of your realms. It also depends on the person.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Can stay busy and keep hobbies outside of them. Keep them out of some of your realms. It also depends on the person.

Yeah. I still think it's a crap shoot over time though. There's just no telling how people will change as the years go by. What you said about it depending on the person I think is the most important. You've gotta find a woman with a good head on her shoulders that truly understands that making things work long term takes effort.

 

[resilient]

I just feel like with the expectations women have these days that nothing will ever really satisfy them long term. How do you combat that?

True... it's like you got to be a magician.... always inventing new razzle dazzle tricks to keep her interested, before the next dude jumps in with a novel approach enough to convince her to jump branches. It's exhausting, especially when they have infinite options these days with OLD and social media spamming their inbox.

The prize/complacency conundrum is like how the brain craves novel experiences when life gets routine and stops being interesting, you got to reach for the heartstart AED to jolt the LTR back to life. We're overstimulated in modern society and chained to our devices that many constantly need a dopamine hit to feel "normal".

I'm always amazed today when I meet couples that have been together 10+ years. I wonder how have they survived this long? How have they resisted temptation with the increasingly easy access to side-cheat? How much maintenance? Does the guy have to constantly go into debt or work harder on the job to afford more material possessions for her, buy new cars, new houses, toys, and take them on expensive international vacations? That takes ultra bucks and sounds stressful. Are they both happy?

I realize LTRs have ups and downs. Each person grows individually, that's understandable. It's just our spendthrift culture now is so quickly to throw away relationships when challenged or hit a rough patch... /rant

 

[btownbuck2012]

True... it's like you got to be a magician.... always inventing new razzle dazzle tricks to keep her interested, before the next dude jumps in with a novel approach enough to convince her to jump branches. It's exhausting, especially when they have infinite options these days with OLD and social media spamming their inbox.

The price/complacency conundrum is like how the brain craves novel experiences when life gets routine and stops being interesting, you got reach for the heartstart AED to jolt the LTR back to life. We're overstimulated in modern society and chained to our devices that many constantly need a dopamine hit to feel "normal".

That's really it right there. Novelty will always trump alpha long term until a woman gets to a point in her life where she truly takes a hit ego wise and realizes she doesn't have the agency she used to. A-lot of guys are stunned that these women are cheating on them because they have a good job, hit the gym, etc. but these hoes don't care. Tons of guys can offer that to them. I'm stunned at some of the guys I see here in New York and the hand they're holding at their side. Some of these sea monster women are getting hit on by men who could do much better.

And in terms of any type of real lasting connection I honestly believe once they've had a few men sexually that capacity is lost on them forever.

This is a hard reality to really face but we've gotta face it head on.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yeah. I still think it's a crap shoot over time though. There's just no telling how people will change as the years go by. What you said about it depending on the person I think is the most important. You've gotta find a woman with a good head on her shoulders that truly understands that making things work long term takes effort.

Where they make those at these days? A lot of dads teach their girl "don't depend on no man" and as they get older they come to not appreciate the efforts and sacrifices of men. Its hard but easy. I guess shed be laid back. Not a h0e. And more logically minded.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Where they make those at these days? A lot of dads teach their girl "don't depend on no man" and as they get older they come to not appreciate the efforts and sacrifices of men. Its hard but easy. I guess shed be laid back. Not a h0e. And more logically minded.

I think that's why a-lot of us are on this forum. A-lot of women will "cut off the nose to spite the face" in their dealings with men for the exact reason you just listed. "I don't need no man for ****". They are so fixated on this notion of proving themselves as equal to men that they will toss good men aside or try to one up them. Their pride and egos are so big that they suffer in private as long as outwardly they appear to have "won" the battle with their man or men of their past. It's truly sad.

Being an alpha has sh*t to do with it in my opinion. In fact, that may put a bigger target on your back for these man eaters.