Huge amount of flaking

[dude99]

Well played! Is that part of "working their emotions"? Women need a man that can make her feel all the good and the bad....

Yes it was working her emotions big time. When a girl is told by men their whole loves "you're beautiful, you're hot, i would give anything to date you," etc etc etc, it goes to their head and they have the mentality that they can treat any guy how they want.

I bet when my girl flaked on me an hour before the date she thought she had found a better option. She then cancelled on me and half heartedly tried to re schedule only for me to say no. Doesn't work. No counter offer from me. She attempted a second time. No. Doesn't work. No counter offer from me. Tries a 3rd time and gets the same results and she probably felt slighted. Who the hell does Dude99 think he is. No guy has ever turned me down.

She hangs up in a huff. Goes on the date with what she thought was a better offer. It turns out it wasn't.......then her mind started to go to work on herself. Why didn't dude99 just play nice like every other guy. I must find out.

The more interested you are, the less fuuxks they give. But when you are the one that gives zero fuuxks.... they womder what is wrong with them. It brusises their ego, and they go crazy because now they must have you.

 

[Roober]

Yes it was working her emotions big time. When a girl is told by men their whole loves "you're beautiful, you're hot, i would give anything to date you," etc etc etc, it goes to their head and they have the mentality that they can treat any guy how they want.

I bet when my girl flaked on me an hour before the date she thought she had found a better option. She then cancelled on me and half heartedly tried to re schedule only for me to say no. Doesn't work. No counter offer from me. She attempted a second time. No. Doesn't work. No counter offer from me. Tries a 3rd time and gets the same results and she probably felt slighted. Who the hell does Dude99 think he is. No guy has ever turned me down.

She hangs up in a huff. Goes on the date with what she thought was a better offer. It turns out it wasn't.......then her mind started to go to work on herself. Why didn't dude99 just play nice like every other guy. I must find out.

The more interested you are, the less fuuxks they give. But when you are the one that gives zero fuuxks.... they womder what is wrong with them. It brusises their ego, and they go crazy because now they must have you.

I know you were probably didn't give a crap, but had you gauged enough interest so you knew you could get away with it?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It feeds their ego to have as many orbiters as possible. They can put on the greatest show, pretending to be interested in you when the truth is they do notgivee a rats schitt about you.

Women lie. Get used to it, it's just a fact of life. Society has made it ok for women to lie because men have let them get away with it.

A woman can pretend to be interested in you, tell you everything you want to hear, pretend they like you all to get you on the hook because it does 2 things. Raises their value in their eyes and in their girlfriends eyes and the second it entertains them knowing they can make a guy who they have no interest in dating jump through hoops for them.

Learn to screen and weed out the time wasters.

All women don't lie. And flaking and forgetting stuff is the TRUTH. They are showing you that your not important enough in their eyes. That's why we pay attention to their actions.

 

[dude99]

I know you were probably didn't give a crap, but had you gauged enough interest so you knew you could get away with it?

My mentality at the time was "i nexted her," on the flake. When i answered the phone and she cancelled my mind instantly went "next."

To my surprise she hit me with a counteroffer that actually didn't work for me. I had no intentions of ever trying with her and was pursuing 2 other ladies at the time so i really didn't care that this one was flaking on me. Then to my surprise again she hit me with 2 more times. The other two times would have worked. I just didn't give a crap because i wanted to shift my attention to the other 2 girls.

In the week of silence i had gone on a great date with one of the other girls. So i still didn't give a crap about the one that flaked.

Then the calls started pouring in from her. Since i had such a good time with one of the other girls i honestly didn't give a crap about flake girl, but i noticed now she was chasing me. I honestly had no interest so i kept "flaking on her" just to piss her off. What i realized was my zero f/cks given made her chase me all the more. So after weeks of this i thought what the heck. Lets see if i can get her in the sack.....and i did. Literally by giving zero f/ucks

 

[BreezyB84]

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How is your body game? That's over 1/2 the battle. With enough physical attraction you can make a lot of mistakes. And then dress, what are you draping your kingly body in?

I was a former elite level athlete and I am a crossfit coach.

As far as fashion goes , I actively like fashion but I'm cool with some Jordans and some jeans with a nice Polo tshirt. just depends where i am going.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

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I was a former elite level athlete and I am a crossfit coach.

As far as fashion goes , I actively like fashion but I'm cool with some Jordans and some jeans with a nice Polo tshirt. just depends where i am going.

You just need to find some puzzy to swim in and then you will be attracting it like a magnet.

It affects our timing, how we look to them, our anxiety, our stress, our confidence, our eyes even look and move differently when sufficiently sexed. They call this "swagger".

And women always talking about they want a dude clothed like JESUS, and I tell them no you don't you would HATE his purity. ANd you would starve him from puzzy.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I was a former elite level athlete and I am a crossfit coach.

As far as fashion goes , I actively like fashion but I'm cool with some Jordans and some jeans with a nice Polo tshirt. just depends where i am going.

I play sports, a lot. But my mates and I have a general rule; don't wear sports gear other than for playing sport (or chilling in my case). Ask yourself this; do think it's better to go on a date dressed as a teenager or a man?

Generally you should wear what you feel comfortable in. But my personal view is that there are times and places for more formal, and those for informal. And it's important to know the difference.

 

[BreezyB84]

I play sports, a lot. But my mates and I have a general rule; don't wear sports gear other than for playing sport (or chilling in my case). Ask yourself this; do think it's better to go on a date dressed as a teenager or a man?

Generally you should wear what you feel comfortable in. But my personal view is that there are times and places for more formal, and those for informal. And it's important to know the difference.

It's all about presentation. I always by my clothes to match my shoes.. it's a little different here in the states I think .

What I have learned over time is to ALWAYS , have form fitting clothes . as an African American this is even MORE important .

I don't really work,"day" game but I would like to. I just dont know where or how to start.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It's all about presentation. I always by my clothes to match my shoes.. it's a little different here in the states I think .

What I have learned over time is to ALWAYS , have form fitting clothes . as an African American this is even MORE important .

I don't really work,"day" game but I would like to. I just dont know where or how to start.

It all starts with "hello". Since your so fit you will get female attention. Notice and greet the ones that double take on you. They are open.

I usually notice something about them, what they are doing and talk about that. I get the phone number a couple minutes later. It's simple. Just start speaking to ones who obviously checked you out and your skill and confidence will rapidly rise.

 

[Junach]

Wow, I come back here after hours and there are tens of replies. Thanks team.

Someone mentioned that I should try to build / convey more value before I take that number and agree on a meet-up. I agree that this is my issue, but I really have no idea how to make that happen without resorting to clownish dancing monkey fast retort, emotional and conversational drama which I highly dislike.

Is there any other way?

Additionally, @pyros said that I look too bossy and ****y. It might be so, but isn't this conveying high value? (I'm not doing it because it should be seen as conveying high value, I'm doing it because I really feel that way) I mean, it is difficult not to feel ****y and 'bossy' (i.e. I make the rules, I know you want to meet me, let's meet on my terms) when you know how women are the entitled little man-children brats that never grow up.

But I do appreciate your input guys, I would like to improve my game definitely.

 

[Junach]

@deesade is spot on. Always remember flaking and confusing behavior = low interest. A woman that likes you will not flake and will not confuse you. If you find yourself in situations like this over and over again with women it means you are moving too fast, be patient. Dating is like fishing, not hunting. You toss your line in the water and wait... the good news is that you can toss LOTS of lines in the water and which ever one pulls you reel that one in.

The OP is 'hunting', he targets a chick and goes after her. This makes you look too needy, and as much as you might believe that you think you are being 'cool' about it.... you are not.... you are not fooling anyone, women are VERY intuitive and they ALWAYS know.

Hmm, that's confusing a bit. Because, having into mind that men take initiative, the 'hunting' part should be attractive, and not repulsive to them. But maybe that's my false conclusion. BTW I am 'hunting' with outcome independence, I am not needy. But I am also strict, direct and bossy, as someone pointed out, since I really have no time or patience for irresponsible people, especially for entitled little brats like most girls are.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Fault is not the flaker. Fault the DJ. Too much time attention and money spent. Keep those first few dates simple, cheap, and local. A drink or two at a local watering hole is fine.

Knew and been with her five years. She was game playing and "****ing" me. Basketball is her passion.

 

[RangerMIke]

Hmm, that's confusing a bit. Because, having into mind that men take initiative, the 'hunting' part should be attractive, and not repulsive to them. But maybe that's my false conclusion. BTW I am 'hunting' with outcome independence, I am not needy. But I am also strict, direct and bossy, as someone pointed out, since I really have no time or patience for irresponsible people, especially for entitled little brats like most girls are.

Hunting means you target a woman and you pursue her until you bag her or drive her off.

Fishing means you try to make a date (toss in the line) and see what happens, if she doesn't take the bait, no problem toss in another line to another chick. You make sure she knows you are interested in fvcking her. But you are not going to chase her, if she is unsure about you at the time... no problem, move onto the next one and if she changes her mind because you are not behaving like a creepy @ss stalker, then she will reach out to you... then you try to make a date.... if she won't make time to be with you alone, she still isn't ready... thank her for reaching out but you have to go. Don't think anything of any women unless she is going out with you.

 

[Roober]

Hunting means you target a woman and you pursue her until you bag her or drive her off.

Fishing means you try to make a date (toss in the line) and see what happens, if she doesn't take the bait, no problem toss in another line to another chick. You make sure she knows you are interested in fvcking her. But you are not going to chase her, if she is unsure about you at the time... no problem, move onto the next one and if she changes her mind because you are not behaving like a creepy @ss stalker, then she will reach out to you... then you try to make a date.... if she won't make time to be with you alone, she still isn't ready... thank her for reaching out but you have to go. Don't think anything of any women unless she is going out with you.

100% If she is not making time to see you, she is not interested. Any female can play the text and talking on the phone game. At that point, you are essentially an orbiter...

 

[wifehunter]

Hunting means you target a woman and you pursue her until you bag her or drive her off.

Fishing means you try to make a date (toss in the line) and see what happens, if she doesn't take the bait, no problem toss in another line to another chick. You make sure she knows you are interested in fvcking her. But you are not going to chase her, if she is unsure about you at the time... no problem, move onto the next one and if she changes her mind because you are not behaving like a creepy @ss stalker, then she will reach out to you... then you try to make a date.... if she won't make time to be with you alone, she still isn't ready... thank her for reaching out but you have to go. Don't think anything of any women unless she is going out with you.

Depends on the kind of hunting... example: duck hunting, where you passively wait for the birds to arrive vs. Hunting a bear or other predator that requires a more proactive approach.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Depends on the kind of hunting... example: duck hunting, where you passively wait for the birds to arrive vs. Hunting a bear or other predator that requires a more proactive approach.

Were FISHING! Hunting scares them off. You know how you have that psychotic hunting mentality that is sniffing out and radaring on "targets" around you. Their antennae goes up and knows it's being hunted! They usually see it as "creepy".

It's best to FISH. Have an appropriate or desireable bait, LET THEM BITE down on it. Hooked and go along for the ride.

 

[wifehunter]

Were FISHING! Hunting scares them off. You know how you have that psychotic hunting mentality that is sniffing out and radaring on "targets" around you. Their antennae goes up and knows it's being hunted! They usually see it as "creepy".

It's best to FISH. Have an appropriate or desireable bait, LET THEM BITE down on it. Hooked and go along for the ride.

I think the point is, with duck hunting or fishing... There's a passive element to it. IOW, your power is being used in a conservative way. Let them come to you.

 

[Junach]

Thanks for the replies, guys.

Anyone got some comments or links to say about the following part? I am really interested in improving myself here.

Wow, I come back here after hours and there are tens of replies. Thanks team.

Someone mentioned that I should try to build / convey more value before I take that number and agree on a meet-up. I agree that this is my issue, but I really have no idea how to make that happen without resorting to clownish dancing monkey fast retort, emotional and conversational drama which I highly dislike.

Is there any other way?

Additionally, @pyros said that I look too bossy and ****y. It might be so, but isn't this conveying high value? (I'm not doing it because it should be seen as conveying high value, I'm doing it because I really feel that way) I mean, it is difficult not to feel ****y and 'bossy' (i.e. I make the rules, I know you want to meet me, let's meet on my terms) when you know how women are the entitled little man-children brats that never grow up.

But I do appreciate your input guys, I would like to improve my game definitely.

 

[Junach]

Best advice I can give is simple but solid:

SPIN PLATES.

Espi, thanks for the reply. I know this advice, it's the very thing I am trying to do.

However, I cannot even start plates because of my problem. I have extracted numbers from around 20 females in two months period, but so far I only kissed one of them. All the others started flaking, or not returning my calls/messages.

It seems that I generate initial interest, but then they stop being interested. It seems that am hunting, and not fishing. Alright, we'll fix this one. But how to go on about conveying value without communicating and pursuing my target (trying to get together with them) without it seem like hunting?! Why (and how) would I have to act as a schizophrenic, being interested (I'm not desperate, there's a difference) on the inside and acting disinterested on the outside (but still conveying interest somehow)?!

Actually, the real question I have is:

How to be interesting and convey high value, without resorting to dancing monkey drama?