How we can improve the game/pickup community.

[xavier_2000]

Its like dude...

You're successful, handsome, smart, and you're the best version of yourself.

Why the hell do you care about this broke waitress or drunk ***** and what she thinks of you? Do you know how easy it is to be beautiful as a girl? Hit the gym...

How hard is it to be a man of substance who has his life together, gets to travel wherever he wants, is truly free in his mind and heart? Who is filled with love and zest for life? LMAO. WAY HARDER.

Why the hell do you care about some broad texting back or if she smashes you?

Idk man my main thing is I can't tolerate BS or games from girls

My life changed when I just switched environments...

I couldn't get a date with these 7s in my hometown, and first week I moved to Vancouver I had a rotation of 9-10 girls in like 2 weeks by literally just talking to a cutie I see, instant date and smash.

Some people can't see you, so F em.

Build your life and they'll beg to join. But that brings me to my problem of how I cannot fall for girls. lmaoo this is another topic altogether

 

[xavier_2000]

The better of a man you become, the hotter the girls you can get.

But the harder it is for you to get most girls tbh

It weeds out girls tbh.

It requires you to distinguish between girls who are manipulative

Ex. Attention Seekers, Gold Diggers, "Broken" Girls, Feminists

Everyone talks about how to get the girl

NOBODY talks about how to choose our girls and see through the games they play lmao

 

[CornbreadFed]

lol what? You are thinking too much.

 

[xavier_2000]

lol what? You are thinking too much.

Just let it simmer lol

You'll get what im trying to say eventually

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Just let it simmer lol

You'll get what im trying to say eventually

You might be banned by then

 

[xavier_2000]

I'll miss ya

 

[characternote]

I'm still a part of this community almost out of nostalgia. I actually enjoy reading peoples theories and openers and cold approach stories etc, although I honestly think I've read and know everything that exists out there about game and can't be taught anything, yet I still look at this site and few others like it every few days.

The community is indeed in a mess but as someone else implied earlier, it's kind of because everyone has accepted that 'game' (as it was taught and marketed) simply isn't effective in what people hoped it would acchieve. e.g - 'make a girl attracted'!. We're kind of back to where we were before 'game' became mainstream. E/G - instead of 'use an opinion opener and use lots of pushpull lines and the disqualify her and tell her she's not your type and then DHV etc etc etc'' it's basically 'hit the gym. Try to make good money. And just put yourself out there'. No 'techniques' as such. But then, there'd really be no use in being here. You'd instead want to join a bodybuilding forum and a moneymaking forum lol

Getting her in bed is easy if she is attracted to you and I don't think you need more 'game' than just being a 'normal' person from that point. But the issue is still one of attraction. An issue that is basically not in your control

This was highlighted in a thread her a few days back where the OP asked how to make a girl flirt with him instead of him being the one trying to game her. The answer is of course 'she needs to be attracted'. And as basically every other poster replied to him in that thread 'you can't MAKE her attracted.

You see where i'm going with this.

So that kind of brings us onto LR's and FR's

I used to post my fair share of LR's and FR's. But as I discussed with Velasco before, once i'd kind of decided that all of the 'game' i was applying was mostly irrelevant, it seemed pointless to be writing them. (every master of game gets rejected by 'no girls' and bangs the 'yes girls' who are clearly receptive to him) - It almost felt like I was bragging when i'd post LR's because at the end of the day, it was basically me writing 'I said hi too a girl. She clearly thought I was good looking. And from that point sex just happened since we were very attracted too each other'. There's nothing to really learn there. If you were in my body with that girl, probably 99% of you would have got laid too

Just like we'd all get laid 99% of the time that my good looking friends get laid if only we were in his body. I'm pretty sure that Luciano guy you mentioned also said he was a very good looking guy and who isn't really about tonnes of 'outer game' etc. IN other words, there's nothing you can learn from him either. So it would be a bit of a waste of time writing lenghty FR's when it could be sumarised as 'A girl thoguht I was hot and began flirting with me. From that point it was over. We chatted, flirted, went back to mine and had sex'

You're also right that GLL forum was legit. I posted there in the old days too and even posted a LR from memory. But don't forget that the whole forum was almost anti 'game'. There was like zero talk about lines and verbals and PUA theory etc. It was ALL about style and working out and money maxxing etc. But then that brings us back to the same issue.

 

[xavier_2000]

I'm still a part of this community almost out of nostalgia. I actually enjoy reading peoples theories and openers and cold approach stories etc, although I honestly think I read and know everything that exists out there and can't be taught anything, yet I still look at this site and few others like it every few days.

The community is indeed in a mess but as someone else implied earlier, it's kind of because everyone has accepted that 'game' (as it was taught and marketed) simply isn't effective in what people hoped it would acchieve. e.g - 'make a girl attracted'!. We're kind of back to where we were before 'game' became mainstream. E/G - instead of 'use an opinion opener and use lots of pushpull lines and the disqualify her and tell her she's not your type and then DHV etc etc etc'' it's basically 'hit the gym. Try to make good money. And just put yourself out there'. No 'techniques' as such. But then, there'd really be no use in being here. You'd instead want to join a bodybuilding forum and a moneymaking forum lol

Getting her in bed is easy from that point and I don't think you need more 'game' than just being a 'normal' person from that point. But the issue is still one of attraction. An issue that is basically not in your control

This was highlighted in a thread her a few days back where the OP asked how to make a girl flirt with him instead of him being the one trying to game her. The answer is of course 'she needs to be attracted'. And as basically every other poster replied to him in that thread 'you can't MAKE her attracted. Move on to the next girl'

You see where i'm going with this.

So that kind of brings us onto LR's and FR's

I used to post my fair share of LR's and FR's. But as I discussed with Velasco before, once i'd kind of decided that all of the 'game' i was applying was mostly irrelevant, it seemed pointless to be writing them. (every master of game gets rejected by 'no girls' and bangs the 'yes girls' who are clearly receptive to him) - It almost felt like I was bragging when i'd post LR's because at the end of the day, it was basically me writing 'I said hi too a girl. She clearly thought I was good looking. And from that point sex just happened since we were very attracted too each other'. There's nothing to really learn there. If you were in my body with that girl, probably 99% of you would have got laid too

Just like we'd all get laid 99% of the time that my good looking friends get laid if only we were in his body. I'm pretty sure that Luciano guy you mentioned also said he was a very good looking guy and who isn't really about tonnes of 'outer game' etc. IN other words, there's nothing you can learn from him either. So it would be a bit of a waste of time writing lenghty FR's when it could be sumarised as 'A girl thoguht I was hot and began flirting with me. From that point it was over. We chatted, flirted, went back to mine and had sex'

You're also right that GLL forum was legit. I posted there in the old days too and even posted a LR from memory. But don't forget that the whole forum was almost anti 'game'. There was like zero talk about lines and verbals and PUA theory etc. It was ALL about style and working out and money maxxing etc. But then that brings us back to the same issue.

Facts man...

It's just motivation for men to level up at this point man.

It's like Lizzo and her body positivity BS.

We're doing the same thing as men.

Game turned into a form of masculine body positivity.

Instead of just levelling up and upgrading our life.

If ppl wanted to get laid I'd suggest working as a bartender, bouncer lol.

The truth is simple. It doesn't need intricate explanations yenno?

 

[xavier_2000]

Idk im here because dudes like me in the past almost committed suicide over a bad breakup and being unwanted lol.

Sometimes getting away from game is the answer lol.

If u try so hard and apply and take action on these theories and it doesn't work repeatedly...

We blame the world... And say how bad women are... Etc.

It makes zero sense.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I'll miss ya

You're assuming he gets it

 

[xavier_2000]

You're assuming he gets it

"All that is bad comes from weakness"

This passive aggressive ****.

The answer is to be strong yet you losers still wanna rationalize being weak and living a mediocre existence where you settle on the girl that chooses you and worried about the tactics to get her in bed.

Forgetting your divine self in the process. Caring about a human being who has control over their own thoughts and trying to get them to do stuff.

Being manipulative af. Disrespectful by not being honest.

When a lion speaks cats don't even understand.

You're pissed off cause the actual truth is difficult and not this fake body positivity "everyone is an alpha male" crap thats being fed to you.

This is like fat girls wearing makeup and buying designer **** and becoming boss babes yelling "where the guys at"...

Chads and Tyrones get all the girls...

BECOME CHAD.

Stop putting on your makeup. You can't hide ugliness.

 

[xavier_2000]

"All that is bad comes from weakness"

This passive aggressive ****.

The answer is to be strong yet you losers still wanna rationalize being weak and living a mediocre existence where you settle on the girl that chooses you and worried about the tactics to get her in bed.

Forgetting your divine self in the process. Caring about a human being who has control over their own thoughts and trying to get them to do stuff.

Being manipulative af. Disrespectful by not being honest.

When a lion speaks cats don't even understand.

You're pissed off cause the actual truth is difficult and not this fake body positivity "everyone is an alpha male" crap thats being fed to you.

This is like fat girls wearing makeup and buying designer **** and becoming boss babes yelling "where the guys at"...

Chads and Tyrones get all the girls...

BECOME CHAD.

Happiness and fulfillment is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

Flow state 24/7. No canned lines. No awkwardness. Just presence.

You become magnetic. You become You. Not some carbon copy of someone. You embody your truth.

 

[xavier_2000]

"All that is bad comes from weakness"

This passive aggressive ****.

The answer is to be strong yet you losers still wanna rationalize being weak and living a mediocre existence where you settle on the girl that chooses you and worried about the tactics to get her in bed.

Forgetting your divine self in the process. Caring about a human being who has control over their own thoughts and trying to get them to do stuff.

Being manipulative af. Disrespectful by not being honest.

When a lion speaks cats don't even understand.

You're pissed off cause the actual truth is difficult and not this fake body positivity "everyone is an alpha male" crap thats being fed to you.

This is like fat girls wearing makeup and buying designer **** and becoming boss babes yelling "where the guys at"...

Chads and Tyrones get all the girls...

BECOME CHAD.

Does it ever just piss you off that some dude who has never heard about game or self development gets all the girls?

Why?

Cause he's a man.

He doesn't care about what she thinks.

He loves and respects himself.

He prioritizes his goals and his life over and above any girl.

He doesn't care about the outcome or result.

He is in his own movie.

 

[xavier_2000]

Anyways I get into these rants alot, I'm hella passionate as you can tell.

Idc.

Hopefully it clicks for whoever is reading this.

 

[xavier_2000]

Anyways everybody here basically wants to whine and complain about women and how it's impossible to gain weight fast or how they're experts at sales.

Reason why I don't read comments on YouTube or social media.

Game forums have been a hangout for absolute pessimism and defeatist loser mindset.

A pit of dudes who act like women.

Most just wanna justify having the same problems over and over and over again. Anyways I won't hop on here much unless its some observations and theories ive came up with. And ive blocked like too many at this point.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I appreciate that boss and yes, I will be sure to shoot you a PM if I have anything I need help with.

I think it would help make the case stronger if other users are onboard with it too and would want to contribute. I am more than down for something like this. My only request is that the field reports section is visible to just members themselves so some random person cannot Google and come across it, you have to be an active So Suave member to see it.

I think it would also help the team here trying to help out newbies to tell them to start a field report and post there first if they are serious about getting good. They can post actions they are taking in order to improve with women rather than just proposing theory.

I'd like to ask:

@LucianoM
@nicksaiz65
@Ricky
@SW15
@SargeMaximus
@mikedee (despite our differences in the past)
@In2theGame
@NorwegianDJ (who has a phenomenal journal going that we could move to that section along with my approach report)
@Velasco
@We_ArE_VeNOM
@Rainman4707
@Bingo-Player
@Chowdah
@Young OG
@EyeBRollin

I have called all of you guys out because you have either posted field reports on here or talked in great lengths about your personal interactions with women. If Serenity was to make the effort to get such a section going, would you all be open to becoming the first class that makes the most of it and shares what are sure to be your success stories with game in the coming months?

If so, just say "Im in!".

I think that’d be great for the community. I’m in!

 

[member160292]

Why do I have a feeling Jesse’s former alias is NaughtyNinja?

 

[BPH]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents after giving this a read while procrastinating...

The problem with this forum is the same problem with any internet forum - you don't know who you're getting your advice from. I think it also comes down to the adage that "those who can, do, those who can't, teach". Basically that if a guy is successful enough to get with a lot of women, he probably isn't spending a whole lot of time here unless it's to skim the recent posts and maybe offer some input.

Allow me to use myself as an example...

I joined this forum back around 13 years ago when I was in high school. I decided I wanted to be good with women and thought it was lame how my friends who were losing their virginities were only doing so after getting into LTRs with average women until they "earned it". At that time, journaling was much more popular; there were the likes of @NorwegianDJ, JaedonRich/JackWealthy, etc so I thought that might be a good place to start. And I did, that post has been in my signature line pretty much ever since.

Over time I started journaling less and less because I started to "get it" and didn't have time to come here and self-reflect as often because I was out there doing things. For me, the biggest game changers were cold approaching until I got over approach anxiety, while also going deep into health and fitness to make myself as physically attractive as I can be.

Fast forward to now, and despite living at my parents' in f***ing Delaware of all places, I probably have a pretty respectable notch count and quality of women (at least physically) compared to most of this forum.

Now I don't know enough about @LucianoM , I've seen a couple of lay reports and might have to see some of the stuff he espouses, plus if that's him in his profile picture he's a very good-looking guy but he also has the added benefit of living in California, if I remember correctly. From my one visit there several years ago it was absolutely teeming with hot women, so I'm sure it's a very different world when you have that kind of abundance in your backyard.

What's my point?

We both have quite a bit of success, but we also have some lower message counts and reaction scores compared to this forum as well. So how likely are people to listen to our advice unless they've done a little research and know about us? Hell, that would probably make me look even worse since I usually come here with questions or asking for advice rather than sharing my successes - some of the posts I made while dealing with my now-ex come to mind...

I don't think there would be a reasonable way to "verify" a guy's success, at least not in a legal way that respects the women or the privacy of the guy posting. And if there were, it would probably be too tedious to bother with. Unfortunately, for those reasons, it'll probably remain as is.

Also, in reference to GLL forum, can't say I know much about it or the guys on there, but one of the guys that worked with him and split off to do his own coaching, Sonny Arvado, revealed that he uses paid models and actresses in his videos. After that, I stopped bothering to listen to him.

 

[ManlyMan]

My personal opinion on the matter of the current state of affairs of the pickup community is that it is divided. And a big problem is status jockeying.

A status jockey will create a field report written like a new york times best selling author detailing the very technical aspects of game. LIke NLP, routines, you name it. Or any variation of this definition of a status jockey.

And the very best could get sucked into following somebodys advice because it sounds good. When this guy may not really be all that good but has read a whole lot of pua material without actually have ever been in field. In other words bragging and making fake field reports to get status on a forum.

So this kind of defeats the point of using field reports to filter out the bad from the good posters.

As well as there is very little action oriented topics anymore.

For this community to survive you need unity and action oriented topics and encouragement instead of calling each other names like a "incel". Everybody has a lot to offer be kinder to each other.

 

[SW15]

I decided I wanted to be good with women and thought it was lame how my friends who were losing their virginities were only doing so after getting into LTRs with average women until they "earned it".

It doesn't matter whether you're 16-17, 30, 40, or 50. Most men need to get into LTRs to get their penises wet. It is achievement to get regular sex without getting into some sort of committed relationship. The typical guy rarely gets laid without a committed relationship. If a guy isn't in a committed relationship, he might be able to get sex from an intoxicated one night stand from in-person approaching bar once in a 6 month period. If the guy isn't in-person approaching, it might take him close to 6 moths to get laid from his swipe app dates.

Fast forward to now, and despite living at my parents' in f***ing Delaware of all places, I probably have a pretty respectable notch count and quality of women (at least physically) compared to most of this forum.

That's an achievement. Getting laid in Wilmington, DE while living with one's parents at age 29 is a special kind of game. That would kill most men's sex lives. Wilmington is a big enough market for a 25-34 year old guy to get laid, but he'd typically need to live alone and get into a committed relationship for it.