How to Win Friends and Influence People

SinJester

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Has anyone read this famous self-help book? A lot of the values it teaches seem to directly clash with those of a DJ. Ill give you a few choice principals:

"Avoid arguments."
"Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never tell someone they are wrong."
"If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically."
"Let the other person do the talking."
"Talk about your own mistakes first."
"Ask questions instead of giving direct orders."
"Don't criticize, condemn or complain."

It was published in 1936 and society has obviously changed dramatically since then, but human nature hasn't. Maybe it's purely aimed at male friendships? But it still seems like How be a Beta Male and Get Walked Over.

I haven't read the book but for some reason the summaries struck me and left a lasting impression and I couldn't stop comparing it to the DJ bible.
 
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Yeah, I used to agree with some of those points.


Then I started growing up.
 

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SinJester said:
"Avoid arguments."
"Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never tell someone they are wrong."
"If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically."
"Let the other person do the talking."
"Talk about your own mistakes first."
"Ask questions instead of giving direct orders."
"Don't criticize, condemn or complain."
All of these are good pieces of advice. None of these things are contrary to "DJ philosophy".
 

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The 48 laws of power is the exact opposite of this book.
 

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I liked the Carnegie book. It's a timeless classic.

What is the correct pronunciation of his last name? Is it CARN-ah-gee or car-NAY-gee?
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

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SinJester said:
Has anyone read this famous self-help book? A lot of the values it teaches seem to directly clash with those of a DJ. Ill give you a few choice principals:

"Avoid arguments."
"Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never tell someone they are wrong."
"If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically."
"Let the other person do the talking."
"Talk about your own mistakes first."
"Ask questions instead of giving direct orders."
"Don't criticize, condemn or complain."

It was published in 1936 and society has obviously changed dramatically since then, but human nature hasn't. Maybe it's purely aimed at male friendships? But it still seems like How be a Beta Male and Get Walked Over.

I haven't read the whole things but for some reason the summaries struck me and left a lasting impression and I couldn't stop comparing it to the DJ bible.

You have missed the message of the book, re-read it, not simply pick out random quotes that lack the substance of the book.

I could very easily pick out random stuff from the DJ bible, without having the introduction or the meat of the reasoning behind the beliefs, i too could make them look silly.

Its actually about getting people to do what 'you want' not about being a suplicating wuss, if your not going to read the book i suggest you put it down, your clearly not reading it or even acknowledging the message it is trying to put accross, if you have read it, then sadly i fail to see how someone can not see the message behind the ones your posting.

Just leave the book alone, i dont think its for you, go read Beano or something :D

the book is very influential if you can take away your ego and use the techniques it gives to get people to do what you want them to do, very powerful book, clearly not has powerful if someone who reads it can not see the potential that is contained within the pages.

The book has helped me control and put alot of situations to my advantage, giving people a sense of importance and creating a 'need' about doing something instead of being an over aggressive jerk, pay's off when you see someone through your 'sell' techniques be 'happy' to do what you want them to do.

so what if you sometimes have to put ego aside, it matters little when the person is doing what you want them to do.

Everyone is looking for that feeling of importance, or worth, even your busty babes, use this stuff to get a women to do your bidding, you can almost get her to do anything, with the right ways to make her 'feel' good about what your suggesting and rewarding her with that feeling that she is 'impressing you'.

Like i said before put the book down your clearly not ready for it, you will only mis0interprit the message and in that, its totally failed on you.

Its also a great managment tool, a salesman tool, its not about being supplicating its about catering to others peoples precious ego's, and using it to 'your' advantage.

It takes a real man to be able to do those things anyway, not in the sense of trying to impress a real man does not have to 'impress' any body, but then again a man who is not 'afraid' to be able to do what you listed is clearly on a different plane then most of the other ego monkeys trying to impress others around them. i.e your reading it from your ego, self importance ideal, concerned about what others will think, or if it will succeed or fail, when i look at it, i see powerful or good managers or men who are centered about themselves and treat others with the respect they treat him, not try to 'impress' to please your 'ego'.

Hence you really have missed the point.

I sense your a techniques junkie.
An average, 'what's the best pick up line', type of guy, hence no wonder you compare the two.
 

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I sense your a techniques junkie.
An average, 'what's the best pick up line', type of guy, hence no wonder you compare the two.
Don't quit your day job and become a psychic, I've never used a pickup line in my life. I also don't believe in using lots of artifical techniques.

Your misinterpreting my intention, and it is my fault because I should have made myself clearer. No I havn't read the book. I just read throuh the summaries and (mistakenly) formed an opinion of what was in there. So I was posting this here to see if people have read it and see what there opinion was assuming most people here have read the DJ bible.

It takes a real man to be able to do those things anyway, not in the sense of trying to impress a real man does not have to 'impress' any body, but then again a man who is not 'afraid' to be able to do what you listed is clearly on a different plane then most of the other ego monkeys trying to impress others around them. i.e your reading it from your ego, self importance ideal, concerned about what others will think, or if it will succeed or fail, when i look at it, i see powerful or good managers or men who are centered about themselves and treat others with the respect they treat him, not try to 'impress' to please your 'ego'
I live too much of my life worrying about what other people think of me but if you knew me you would see I definately don't have too much of an ego (above what would be considered healthy) and I am not arrogrant or of the belief that I am better than others. Despite what the DJ bible has 'taught' me. But maybe I've listened to it too much?

Like i said before put the book down your clearly not ready for it, you will only mis0interprit the message and in that, its totally failed on you.
Like I said, haven't read it yet, but I definately plan to now.

Just leave the book alone, i dont think its for you, go read Beano or something
Umm thanks? No idea what Beano is but I'm sure thats meant to be an insult. I'll read it, get back to you, and see how my opinion has changed. Amidst the insults I'm glad I found out that the book is worth reading and is not what I thought it was, thanks.

All of these are good pieces of advice. None of these things are contrary to "DJ philosophy".
Good pieces of advice for the title of the book maybe, but perhaps I've misinterpreted much of the DJ material I've read about being the dominant alpha male and I assumed that the 'alpha male' wouldn't be doing these things.

The 48 laws of power is the exact opposite of this book.
Haven't heard to much about this book. Care to fill me in?
 

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I don't have time to write too much right now, but I just want to state that I don't think this book goes against the 48 Laws of Power. In fact, I think think it goes well with the law about playing the "Perfect Courtier" only now talked more pratically and without as much Machivellian assumption that you plan to hurt the "target" too.

Also, yes, the quotes above does make it seems that it is encouraging to be a beta male, but if you actually read the book (or just look a better quotes), all it is saying is how to win over people best.

For example, telling "your mistakes first" is a good way to open people up, ever notice that people tell their own mistakes after? Good way to form a connection. It might look like his submitting, but it is also a way to form a connection.
 

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SinJester said:
Don't quit your day job and become a psychic, I've never used a pickup line in my life. I also don't believe in using lots of artifical techniques.

Your misinterpreting my intention, and it is my fault because I should have made myself clearer. No I havn't read the book. I just read throuh the summaries and (mistakenly) formed an opinion of what was in there. So I was posting this here to see if people have read it and see what there opinion was assuming most people here have read the DJ bible.



I live too much of my life worrying about what other people think of me but if you knew me you would see I definately don't have too much of an ego (above what would be considered healthy) and I am not arrogrant or of the belief that I am better than others. Despite what the DJ bible has 'taught' me. But maybe I've listened to it too much?



Like I said, haven't read it yet, but I definately plan to now.



Umm thanks? No idea what Beano is but I'm sure thats meant to be an insult. I'll read it, get back to you, and see how my opinion has changed. Amidst the insults I'm glad I found out that the book is worth reading and is not what I thought it was, thanks.



Good pieces of advice for the title of the book maybe, but perhaps I've misinterpreted much of the DJ material I've read about being the dominant alpha male and I assumed that the 'alpha male' wouldn't be doing these things.



Haven't heard to much about this book. Care to fill me in?

Good jester, i hope in some way i helped encouraged you to read this great book.

Enjoy it, just read it nothing more, nothing less!
 

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I loved the book and it does not go against the DJ principles at all. I have used most of his teachings and have got many many MANY people including my girlfriend to do what I want.

Don't say that it doesn't work. It just adds onto the DJ Bible.

Do a search because that work of literature has had such an impact on sosuavian theorem that it is unmatched.

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speakeasy said:
The 48 laws of power is the exact opposite of this book.
Not really.

The 48 Laws of Power is also about "ass-kissing". Or being a "courtesan"...however you want to describe it.

What you need to carry away from Carnegie's book is that you have to appeal to OTHER people's interests and THEIR way of thinking to influence them to do what YOU want them to do. You can't just rely on people doing things for YOUR benefit "out of the goodness of their hearts". There needs to be something in it for them.

You want to apply that book to "Don-Juanning", think of it this way. A chump will appeal to a woman on the basis of, "I do all these things for you, you OWE me, out of your good nature, affection." Whereas a champ offers her something that she WANTS in return...excitement, arousal, and the company of a masculine man.
 

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Have any of you even read this book?

Go get it. It's one of the best $10 or whatever investments you'll ever make. There's a reason why it's been in print for so many years.
 

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I'm half way through it. I do endorse it. Though there is the occasional overtone of Christainity in his personal life, it is largely written and conclusions are drawn using reason and logic.

Probably my weakest power element is the power of influence, so if you're weak in this area as am I, this guy can help.
 

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Forgive me for skipping through all the replies, but this reminded me of a time last year. The first rule might be "don't read this in public". A girl on the bus last year, who wasn't very, shall be say, pretty or so forth, had this book out and was reading it. About 20 people noticed it, laughed, and inched away from her. Kinda felt bad... but why would someone read it in public?
 

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why would someone read it in public?

Maybe she worked in sales. I had it recommended to me by a corporate VP. I would laugh at anyone who laughed at someone reading this book.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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Kidfabulous said:
A girl on the bus last year, who wasn't very, shall be say, pretty or so forth, had this book out and was reading it. About 20 people noticed it, laughed, and inched away from her. Kinda felt bad... but why would someone read it in public?
To go on record, I don't believe that one bit. I think exactly the opposite of people who read books like these, or books like 48 laws of power. These are exactly the kinds of people I'd keep one good eye on out of respect.

Most people I (believe I) have an advantage on (true or not). But for someone with a library full of these kinds of books, there's a good chance I don't.
 

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Kidfabulous said:
Forgive me for skipping through all the replies, but this reminded me of a time last year. The first rule might be "don't read this in public". A girl on the bus last year, who wasn't very, shall be say, pretty or so forth, had this book out and was reading it. About 20 people noticed it, laughed, and inched away from her. Kinda felt bad... but why would someone read it in public?
Talk about walking away from perfect opportunity for an easy opener.
 

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I think that book is really helpful in business relationships. And in places like university too. I have used some points from the book to make connections with profs, get an extra mark or two from the TA etc.

What's wrong with this?

"Let the other person do the talking."

This actually goes with the DJ "philosophy" or techniques of allowing the chik to talk and you to listen.

And say you are in business and you have a million dollar dealing hanging in the air would you really argue with him, you might lose the deal. So the "Avoid arguments" comes in handy here. You don't want to piss your customer of do you?
 

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djtdot said:
And say you are in business and you have a million dollar dealing hanging in the air would you really argue with him, you might lose the deal. So the "Avoid arguments" comes in handy here. You don't want to piss your customer of do you?
On top of that, do you really want to piss off the girlfriend?

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Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

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