How to win a 10?

[Cowboy1015]

First of all... I want to say this site is awesome... it helped me a lot to get 2 dates with this awesome girl.

Ok... so this girl is 24 y/o. She's a 10... maybe i'm a 6 or 7, same height as me... and much taller of course with heels.

I met her at a club with her sis but I did not really talk to her that much. My friend did. So my guy friend ask her to casual dinner and I was tagged along. Basically my friend set me up to see her again.

Then, I asked her for a first date. She cancelled last minute but she rescheduled the following day. So following day I took her to dinner. It was ok, nothing amazing. Conversation was ok. Talked about stuffs, why we're both single. blah blah. She texted me afterwards she said she had fun.

After a week, second date, pick her up from work and took her to an NBA game. She wore shorts to my surprise. I applied some kino technique which seemed to work. I notice her blush. She allowed me to put fries on her mouth and almost bit me. We had some videos together and she seemed enjoying my company. At the end of the night we just hugged. She texted me that night she said she said she had fun.

That ff weekend, she invited me to go somewhere with her + her sis & bro for a long drive for overnight some place. But when I asked where she lives, she said "I don't give my address, we'll just pick you up". But I actually didn't go because I never met her sis and bro... and I don't want to be stuck with them overnight if it gets awkward.

Well it's just been a month since we first met. The issue is... i'm not quite sure if i'm playing this right. I'm not really sure if she likes me... maybe it's 50/50. I don't text/call her often. I'm playing it cool which I think works. Coz sometimes she initiates texting me. But most of the time, she does not initiate texting me. Like today, whole day passed no messages. We don't even talk at night.

Are my chances good? Any further advise on what I should do?

Thanks.

 

[Falcon25]

Cocaine. Always try to kiss her. Gay men give each other hugs at the end of the night.

 

[runner83]

Cocaine. Always try to kiss her. Gay men give each other hugs at the end of the night.

^ ^ This.

Always kiss her on the first date.

And wtf are you texting back and forth without meeting up with her?

For god's sake, grow a pair, ask her out again, initiate kino and be a man!

 

[Alanswer]

You're too slow. Be careful to don't enter the Friend Zone because of that.
The fact she wanted her sister and bro for the last meet with you tells me it wasn't a date. Maybe you're already in...

 

[Cowboy1015]

Thanks for the tips. I do feel I am slow because I try to play it too cool. I will definitely up the ante on kino and will also go for the kiss. She's too hot to be a friend.

Now I'm just thinking what/where for the 3rd date. Would some flowers work sent/brought to her office?

 

[Iceberg]

Thanks for the tips. I do feel I am slow because I try to play it too cool. I will definitely up the ante on kino and will also go for the kiss. She's too hot to be a friend.

Now I'm just thinking what/where for the 3rd date. Would some flowers work sent/brought to her office?

Yeah. Flowers would be hot...If she were 85 years old.

You don't go rewarding a woman with gifts simply for being pretty. That's what other guys do. That's what lame guys do. Your "gift" is the simple fact that you're giving her some of your valuable free time.

The fact that you're giving her this "perfect 10" rating, while calling yourself a "6" already tells me that you're approaching this from a weak position. This girl isn't a 10. Being a 10 is earned. It's not just "Oh she's pretty, and she pays attention to me, so she's a 10."

Coz sometimes she initiates texting me. But most of the time, she does not initiate texting me. Like today, whole day passed no messages. We don't even talk at night.

Why would she text you every day / night? She's not your girlfriend. And even if she were, who needs to talk to their girlfriend every single day?

 

[Cowboy1015]

Im just saying she is a 10 looks + personality wise. So I'm trying to play the best game.

But, no flowers? This girl is really sweet and I'm thinking simple flowers on the 3rd date would make fer feel good.

A background about her... she was engaged. Her fiancee cheated and I think she's being really cautious now.

 

[Iceberg]

Im just saying she is a 10 looks + personality wise. So I'm trying to play the best game.

But, no flowers? This girl is really sweet and I'm thinking simple flowers on the 3rd date would make fer feel good.

A background about her... she was engaged. Her fiancee cheated and I think she's being really cautious now.

Why would you send a girl flowers considering that she's contributed nothing to your life outside of going on two dates with you?

Why? What do you hope to accomplish through this? What has she done to deserve such a reward?

If you've dated her for a year, and she's doing everything in her power to make you the happiest man on earth, then give her all the flowers you want. Give her a whole damn flower field. But on date #3, after you've had zero sex, and not even a kiss? Why? Flowers do nothing for anyone.

You think it's going to turn her on? You think it'll make her more attracted to you? Flowers = safety and safety = attraction? It doesn't work that way.

 

[vatoloco]

I find it difficult to believe that she's a 10. I think perhaps you've objectified her in your eyes so she's become a ten.

Yep. That's the first thing that came to mind.

"Danger Will Robinson! Danger!"

 

[Cowboy1015]

I find it difficult to believe that she's a 10. I think perhaps you've objectified her in your eyes so she's become a ten. Thats the first problem. Other people have mentioned the second. Be a man! Move things forward! At the very least try and kiss her! If you did any of these things you probably wouldn't be here asking about her now.

Anyway I noticed you just started posting here. Hope you enjoy it here. Its a great forum. Take a look at these articles. They'll be a real eye opener.

The DJ Bible
http://www.sosuave.com/bible/bible.htm

The Book of Pook
http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/Downloads/The Book of Pook.pdf

It's also difficult to believe why a 10 would go out with a 6 or 7 (i'm not rich). Maybe I'm more than a 7. But she's a hard 10. A lot of guys tried to talk her at the club where I first saw her and some are just frozen salivating. Guys from another table caught staring at her while we were on a date. Friends who saw my video from the nba game date was like... who the fvkk she is? For a perspective, she got the looks of Jordana Brewster and she used to model. So i'm just giving the fact that she's a 10... and i'm not.

So I'm here because I never dealth with a 10. Girls I used to date are girls who after me, and they are like 6/7/8's. So this is a different ballgame for me. I guess I expect her to after me but she's slow. Or like I said, maybe cautious.

I've been actually reading the DJ bible... and it's really helpful.

 

[Cowboy1015]

It's also difficult to believe why a 10 would go out with a 6 or 7 (i'm not rich). Maybe I'm more than a 7 and this site really helped me.

But she's a hard 10. A lot of guys tried to talk her at the club where I first saw her and some are just frozen salivating. Guys from another table caught staring at her while we were on a date. Friends who saw my video from the nba game date was like... who the eff she is? For a perspective, she got the looks of Jordana Brewster and she used to model. So i'm just giving the fact that she's a 10... and i'm not...

So I'm here because I never dealth with a 10. Girls I used to date are girls who after me, and they are like 6,7, or 8's at the most. So this is a different ballgame for me. I got used to girls showing interests in me... but this one is difficult to read. And like I said, I think she's being cautious because of her pain in the past. So it would be all up to me...

I guess all I can do is move things forward, up the ante, and find out she'll dig me. So I guess flowers is a no-no..

I've been actually reading the DJ bible... and it's really helpful.

 

[PDubb75]

Ok, now I just want to see a picture of this girl. I have never given anyone a 10 that I have met in person.

But to the point of this thread, you need to change the path that this is going. And what I mean is, you are going to be friendzoned. Everyone has pretty much covered it, but you need to go for that kiss.

Flowers will do nothing. They won't make her kiss you; they won't make her like you. She will accept them with a smile no matter what. However, she will only accept a kiss if there are feelings. And if she does like you, a first kiss will mean so much more than flowers.

 

[Cowboy1015]

Ok, now I just want to see a picture of this girl. I have never given anyone a 10 that I have met in person.

But to the point of this thread, you need to change the path that this is going. And what I mean is, you are going to be friendzoned. Everyone has pretty much covered it, but you need to go for that kiss.

Flowers will do nothing. They won't make her kiss you; they won't make her like you. She will accept them with a smile no matter what. However, she will only accept a kiss if there are feelings. And if she does like you, a first kiss will mean so much more than flowers.

I wish I can post her pics... but I won't, not cool . I don't have much of a problem getting girls, but like I said this one is at the top and is hard to read. That's why I posted on this forum to get some some better game and win this girl. Because I'm getting a feeling of ending up on the friend zone.

I'll definitely do more kino... and hopefully a kiss on the next date. Goodluck to me.

 

[WC2]

Im just saying she is a 10 looks + personality wise. So I'm trying to play the best game.

But, no flowers? This girl is really sweet and I'm thinking simple flowers on the 3rd date would make fer feel good.

A background about her... she was engaged. Her fiancee cheated and I think she's being really cautious now.

1) The best game is not trying at all. Especially when it comes to good looking women. They act as if a man has to 'try' to win her affection, but really what she desires is a man that she is attracted to and has to work for.

2) Flowers? Flowers?

You're defining 'the prize' as her almost to perfection. You're working so hard to meet her needs, yet you haven't seen a single spark of intimacy.

This is because she's only going to let you become intimate if she feels as if you're a viable option. Right now you are not a viable option; you are a friend who takes her to stuff, pays for her, and she repays you with a friendly hug like she would with a girlfriend of hers.

You're following her and she is leading you. It should be the opposite. She should be following you and you leading her.

By trying to 'play it cool' you're coming off as too afraid to initiate, and thus she automatically knows that you probably don't have much experience with women.

The only time 'playing it cool' really works is when you have already established that you are experienced with women and getting in her panties is not of great importance to you, because you have other girls to goto.

Once you overstep that friendship barrier it's hard to go back immediately. Your best option is to start seeing other women and becoming less 'relationship driven' and more 'fun driven'. Instead of thinking about flowers and cons to make her your 'girlfriend' you should be thinking of goodtimes. Go out for drinks, poke fun at her because it makes both of you laugh. At the first sign of a smile or glance, just go for it. Kiss her. Do it because you want to, not because you feel you need to.

Women love men who can have fun and be forward with them. Women love raw men who do things because they enjoy it. They like men who won't hesitate to tell them when they are full of sh!t.

But as long as you beat around the bush and play this game of tag, she sees you as more of an inexperienced 'friend' who's dates get more awkward as time goes on.

 

[Cowboy1015]

Ok. So today I asked her to meet me tomorrow night but she can't apparently because shes working late. So instead she invited me to see her at work and have late dinner with her at her work cafeteria.

So what I plan to do is take out some chinese and see her at her workplace. No flowers.

 

[Warrior74]

Ok. So today I asked her to meet me tomorrow night but she can't apparently because shes working late. So instead she invited me to see her at work and have late dinner with her at her work cafeteria.

So what I plan to do is take out some chinese and see her at her workplace. No flowers.

Epic fail. Don't call her, dont go see her. Call her in two or three days and tell her to meet you at a bar for a drink.

You are supplicating. You are doing what she tells you to do. She refused your offer, made a counter offer and you accepted it. Flowers or chinese, its the same damn thing son. Accepting her offer means that she is the shot caller here. You don't win a 10 son. A 10 is interested in you, and you might give her some of your time.

In fact, bytch ain't a 10. Shes a human being, no more important than a stranger until she proves herself other wise. A stranger you'd like to bang..sure. But a stranger you are gonna give more attention to just because you'd like to bang? no. Hang back. Be cool.

What would your coolest role model do? What would steve urkle do? Which one are you acting like?

 

[Tiguere]

I would tell him to go BUT ONLY IF HE CAN FIND THE GUTS TO GIVE HER A KISS AS SOON HE GETS WITHIN KISSING DISTANCE.

If you cant find it within you to surprise her with a kiss right off the bat then stay home and save that money.

 

[Veridin]

The DJ Bible
http://www.sosuave.com/bible/bible.htm

The Book of Pook
http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/Downloads/The Book of Pook.pdf

Good advice, but that is the old DJ Bible. The newer one is here:

http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/

The new one is much better reading. Note that this forum's front page, when you are logged out, links to the new one. Even though the old one is actually located at the SoSuave URL. I'd suggest the old one be removed.

 

[Iceberg]

Ok. So today I asked her to meet me tomorrow night but she can't apparently because shes working late. So instead she invited me to see her at work and have late dinner with her at her work cafeteria.

So what I plan to do is take out some chinese and see her at her workplace. No flowers.

Dude. You know damn well this is bad. You know how I know? Because you're telling us about it.

It's bad enough you were even thinking about giving her flowers. Instead you're doing the equivalent - which is going to her job, and hanging out with her in her work cafeteria. Come on, man. She's not your girlfriend.

Invite her to go somewhere fun (bar, music, park, bowling) and if she can't go on a certain day, then reschedule another time. Seeing a girl at her work cafeteria is the least romantic, least sexual, least interesting thing you could do.

Only see a girl at places where you can create some kind of sexual interest. What are you gonna do at a work cafeteria? Some more chit-chat? A nice hug at the end? There's nothing exciting in this for the girl, or for you.

Terrible idea. You get an "F".

 

[Masculinity]

OP, most a pic and we'll tell you if she's really a ten, which I highly doubt.