How to Start?

thebestthing

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Hello DJ's, a few of you might have seen me post asking for advice over in the High School forum, but other than that I'm relatively new here.

I think I'm rather puny. Not sure of my BF%, but I'm 5"8 and 135 lbs, been that weight for about a year. My bench is ****, lol100lbs, squat is 195, never did anything else because High School weightlifting classes are **** and I don't remember all the other things like rows and overhead press things.

I've read the vault, I assume I need to bulk up, I just don't understand all the math and things behind it, or what to eat to get those results. I'd appreciate a bit of help starting out.
 

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Hi. First of all congrats on deciding to take the first step. Its good that you are reading the vault and trying to educate yourself on training, diet etc.

Here's a few basic pointers that helped me out:

1. Diet is ALL important. Eat every 3-4 hours. If you're trying to bulk, you'll have to eat LOTS. Every meal should have at least 30 g of protein (this is the same as a small whey shake or a chicken breast, or 4-5 large eggs). Educate yourself on diet. You should know approximately how many calories and how many grams of protein a meal has. You're young and still growing, so you'll have to eat LOTS!

* for protein:
- Chicken/chicken breasts.
- Ground beef.
- Steak.
- Bison.
- Eggs.
- Tuna.
- Cottage cheese.
- Salmon other fish.

* Pretty much any fruits and vegetables are good.

* For carbs:
- Wild rice/brown rice.
- Yams
- Whole grain pastas and breads.

2. Eat like a caveman: Caveman didn't have kraft dinner and other prepackaged processed crap that we have access to today. Our metabolisms aren't great at handling that much food processing as is evidenced by the rampant rates of obesity in the US. Eat whole foods, closest to their natural form. Ei: fruit instead of fruit juice, steak instead of lunch deli meats.

3. Train w/ basic simple compound movements: Squat, Deadlift, Bench variations (dumbell or barbell), shoulder press, chin ups and dips. These exercises should be the foundation of your program.

4. Train w/ high intensity. If you don't beat the crap out of your body on a regular basis and also give it enough resources to recover, your progress will be slower. Intensity is key because it gives your body the stimulus it needs to change.

5. Get enough recovery time. This is often overlooked by newer trainees. As you progress your recovery ability will get better, but for now learn to listen to your body and avoid overtraining like the plague. I'd suggest lifting weights 3x/week and doing other stuff (cardio, sports, etc) for another 2 days.

6. Change up your program every so often. This prevents the body from adjusting, which can slow progress.

7. Supplement properly. There's tons of crappy overhyped supplements out there that the average trainee really doesn't need. For supplementation I'd recommend a good multivitamin (I take the GNC ones), essential fatty acids (I prefer fish oil and ground flax seed powder), and of course whey protein powder. I like to use energy drinks as well to ramp up my intensity for workouts, but using stuff like this is an individual thing.

8. Be in it for the long haul. I started training when I was 17, with stats very similar to your own (5'8" - 125 to 130). I've been at this for over 10 years and still love it. I can't imagine not going to the gym. You gotta love the journey. Commit yourself to a lifestyle change for the rest of your life. Stuff will definitely get in the way, but do your best to maintain healthy, active habits.

9. Enjoy it! For me there's something innately pleasurable about throwing around big chunks of iron just because you can.

10. Educate yourself and learn what works for YOU. Everyone's body and metabolism are pretty unique. It takes a while to figure out what combo of training, diet and supplementation will give you the best results.

Hope this helps... good luck!
 
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Don't worry about it. When I first started, I could only bench 95lbs. The muscular lesbian broads could lift more than me. Imagine my humiliation.

Now I'm stronger than most men. My Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor complimented me on my strength.

What are you doing now for your workouts? Give details.
 

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muscular lesbian broads? all of my very non-lesbian female training partners over the years have been able to bench more than that after no more than a couple months of training, and when they reached that point, they looked... not much different than before they started.

better to take the focus off the bench press numbers entirely and focus on the things that matter: diet, rest and lifting hard & heavy. you're not in a competition with anyone but yourself and your previous workout.

effort has linked you to two great starting programs, and fugly's given lots of great tips. don't forget to set yourself goals, and get to work.
 

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I'm working on it, Throttle. reading the links in my free time.

@ Muscle Guy..

It's the summer, I no longer take my weightlifting class. I'm blessed [cursed?] with an insanely fast metabolism, and I pig out and still gain nothing.
I'm not exercising much, if at all, due to the fact I'm scared of doing it wrong.
Hence why I'm here.
 
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@ throttle

You need to get the stick out of your ass. It's called a joke.

@thebestthing

No weight lifting?

A guy your size looking to bulk up should be weight lifting ASAP. Look up my videos on youtube, my user name is OtisTheMuscleGuy.

I have detailed descriptions of exercises with pictures and step by step weight training programs in my book.
 
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I agree with most of the suggestions posted so far. I played in our backyard with my brother since I was a child, played sports in school in middle/high school, started weights for football when I was 15, and haven't stopped. I have a medium frame, so its nothing special. But I agree with most of what's been posted so far as far as recommendations to bulk up. In order to lift more weight, it's really only possible if YOU are more weight. 135 is a bit on the lower end (depending on your age).

What is the OP's age? That is a huge factor.

A word. Start out slow, don't worry about doing ever-increasing amounts of weight when you start out. Focus on technique, make sure you're controlling the weight, with slow, controlled movements. Then, as you increase your diet, then you can consider doing more weight.

I think the key when your in HS, is to establish a very good foundation - develop a LOVE of being in the gym.
 

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To answer the question above; 15. I figured it's good to start early.

as far as 'no weightlifting':

It's not that I can't get into weightlifting if I wanted to; I'm just saying I haven't been doing it since summer since I typically did it DURING the school day as one of my 7 classes. I just don't want to start up a gym membership until I'm 100% sure I'm doing things right.
 

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Kerpal said:
+1

This program works for everyone who does it correctly. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Don't be lazy and use one of the bastardized "write ups" on Bodybuilding.com, GET THE BOOK.

Yeah no doubt. I had no idea how complicated doing these lifts correctly really was. I could go back to this book for years on end and still learn something new.

On that note, I started deadlifting for the first time yesterday, boy do I feel like I got hit by a train today. But since I started getting into this workout (not perfect yet, it's taking me awhile to really learn each new lift correctly) I've now gained almost 10 lbs. That's pretty much amazing progress for a guy who hasn't been able to gain so much as 2 lbs other summers even with a super athletic lifestyle.
 

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LikeTheWind said:
You're not going to build up bulk without weightlifting. If you don't want to get a gym membership then figure out alternative ways to start it up. If you don't have alternatives and you don't want to work out at the gym then you'll simply not get the results that you want. Good luck.
You're reading me wrong.

I don't mind getting a gym membership. I just want to make sure I get a plan set in stone before I start.
 

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thebestthing said:
You're reading me wrong.

I don't mind getting a gym membership. I just want to make sure I get a plan set in stone before I start.
195lb squat? You're already past the beginning phases and you're well prepared for some serious weightlifting. I recommend either stronglifts 5x5 routine or starting strength. It will put some serious mass on you. www.stronglifts.com
 
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