How to make somethin out of EC

[FromNothin2Somethin]

Hey. I'm new here so bare with me, im in the beginning stages of the game. Im definitely beginning to understand the value of good EC with girls. I am able to make good EC with a girl more often than not, but often I dont recieve any or very little in return. I feel like there's a real fine line between positive EC, one that shows admiration, respect, and interest for a girl, and negative EC, that just makes it seem like im a starin, perverted dumbass. Sometimes it just seems like I'm only gettin a polite return glance for my positive EC, instead of anythin more meaningful...but I really can't tell.

I just wanted to see if you guys had any thoughts on a good length of EC for me to make;

What's the most amount of time I should look at her if she hasn't looked at me at all?

If she looks at me while I'm looking at her, then she looks back away, should I hold it?

If we're both giving each other good EC for even just 2 to 3 seconds, is that long enough for her to feel comfortable if i went to talk to her?

I know they're elementary questions but I could use the help. Thanks.

 

[Porky]

If you two make eye contact, smile and wave. When it breaks off, if she glances again at you then she's interested.

 

[So pimp its scary]

Eye contact is a fairly unreliable way of detecting interest. Some woman are so shy that they won't look you in the eyes at all, others will stare you down despite no real interest.

I've noticed that it's best to keep looking up, then down into the woman's eyes. Or at the least from side to side...

As for time, 2-3 seconds is good. But, try to not look away untill the woman looks away first.

The best way to figure out the arts of timing is through practise. Try going for EC for 2-3 seconds, look away as you start approaching, when you get near get EC again (at least look into her eyes), and say hi. Soon enough, you'll start seeing the differences between the good and the bad EC.

 

[bigfoamfinger]

hey there. I had an interesting situation with EC recently. I'm just now starting out on being a DJ, and I already had an amazing lesson on the value of EC.

This really good-looking HB8 came in to rent a movie (where I was working). instead of blatently approaching her, I decided to sit behind the counter, and whenever she looked over at me, I looking straight back, holding her gaze with a sort of smile/smirk thing. anyway, after about 5 minutes, she comes over and starts talking to me. during the next 5 or so minutes, she held my gaze nearly the entire time. it was almost like a staring contest, and she didn't want me to win.

right when she was about to leave, she WINKS at me, and says something I couldn't understand (french accent). that had never happened to me before, so I dismissed it at a joke (damn AFC! bah!) and missed my oppertunity to close. however, I look at it now as an incredible lesson on how strong EC can be (oh yeah, and always closing for the number). powerful stuff... cause I didn't really do much else other than holding her gaze

 

[FromNothin2Somethin]

Very nice foamfinger.

If I could be convinced that giving solid, consistent EC to a girl would sometimes get her to come to ME, I'd probably never stop lookin, heh.

I wonder if it's better to look her straight in the eyes during the time you give EC, or to kinda shift your eyes gently around her face. I tend to move my eyes around a bit, in a respectful way. I still have a hard time with keepin focus squarely on the eyes, but if that's the way to go i will definitely work on it.

 

[Starman]

This is interesting..but you folks need to learn how to move from eye contact..to the next level of communication..

it is just plain ridiculous to have eye contest battles with a woman..as soon as she passes the 3 sec rule..you need to make a damn move..smile, nod your head upwards as saying "whassup?"

sometimes I even do the Brad Pitt "point" maneuver..you basically catch eye contact with a girl..then slyly (like how brad pitt did in fight club when he wanted ed norton to hit him) Point at the girl..or even how bartenders point at you when they are busy and ready to take YOUR order

as soon as you do this..she will smile..or wave back..wait like a minute (and act like you are doing something else while you are waiting (i.e. chatting with sum1 else, smoking a cig, working(if you are)

then do your approach..remember EC is half the battle..its an initial body language type test for women to gauge how dominant you are, once you pass the test..and have taken INITIATIVE to move it past the EC stage..thats when she knows you have a pair of balls besides the ones in your eye sockets

 

[becker]

Starman,

Good advice. Man, I have great eye contact with this one girl who I'm very interested in, but don't know if she has a BF. I have trouble finding out too because it's at work and I can't get time alone with her enough to find out. I always see her when she's with other people around, and it's just awkward when you're in a room with her and other people. I kept wanting to ask her to come out with me for a walk or something so we can talk, but it's a little awkward when you don't have enough time to get to know her better first. It's touchy also because it's the co-worker relationship thing.

This is also the only girl I've known who has managed to out-stare me. I'm going to do everything I can to get this girl though, because she's the hottest girl I've gone after so far. Almost a perfect 10. Looks like Jessica Alba, who's my perfect 10.

 

[Starman]

Becker,

Back in my Major AFC days..I used to go to clubs..catch EC with major hotties..then keep glances back and forth..eventually she got sick of waiting for me to approach..and just left..this happened to me so many times..its as if I was TESTING HER..if she was SOOOO interested..SHE would come talk to me!! (sometimes they did..but more often not)

the point is I missed out on alot of some MAJOR ponnanny because I couldnt get past the EC stage

EC is merely just an INVITATION..the first STEP to Moving forward..its like when you walk by a store and see a "Help wanted" sign..you are interested..the sign catches your eye..but you NEED to take action..and see if you "qualify" for the job..or if you EVEN want the JOB!

think of EC as an ENTRY point! It really doesnt mean squat..unless you take action

with your situation..what makes you think she has a BF? any REALISTIC clues?

one thing you can do is talk to people she is tight with and find out in casual conversation

otherwise..I have tried this technique in the past

go up to girl who you think might have a b/d and say

"Hey! you were wearing an engagement ring the other week werent you?" (just feign dumb)

from her answer you could gauge her whole love life..if she doesnt mention fiance or b/f..you could qualify the situation and say "SO, I guess you are just one of the playette's eh?"

if she doesnt answer her status by then..she is hiding something..like a bad relationship

 

[becker]

Actually, Starman, I've never just looked at her and haven't said anything. The difficult thing is that I don't know her that well yet, having only met her a few weeks ago, and seeing her maybe a total of 2 or 3 times briefly. I've talked to her about very general stuff, like what does she do, where's her office, etc. Nothing exciting. It's not easy to establish rapport with a girl for me unless I get her alone. I don't like making it seem like I'm hitting on her in front of other people, especially since I'm pretty new at my job.

The reason why I think she has a BF is because she's so damn hot that I can't imagine her not. However, there is a guy who works here as well who she's hung out with, had lunch with the other day, and was out walking with alone. However, I'm getting the impression that he's not her BF, just an AFC trying to get her. I've talked to him, and he's not the most charming guy in the world. I need to find out somehow, but asking casual people has never been something I've been good at. I just don't like to find out from others and would rather hear it straight from her.

I need some strategic advice on how to get this girl alone!

 

[Silquee Smoove]

Can these Eye contact threads come to an end, already?

E.G.I.D. (Every girl is different).

To say eye contact matters is actually trivial like So pimp is saying. I look at my boss as he's telling me what I need to do and other guys look at each other, does this mean they are attracted to each other?
No, it's simple courtesy.

 

[Starman]

YES EGID, totally agree

and there are different types of eye contact..the type you get at work (innocent..just saying "hey ! we work with another! whassssup!"

vs

the club EC..which says "I like u! lets talk!"

then there is the whole EC when the chick smiles..is very ineterested in YOUR words..and asks you ALOT of q's

my point: EC at a workplace/social gathering should NOT be misinterpreted as a sign of IL

in a club/party its a whole new ballgame..because EC shifts to IL..beyond the obligatory "We work together ! we should be friendly!" paradigm

whatever the case..keep/maintain EC at work, school, party..because you never know where it will lead u

its a simple rule..if u get EC at a neurtral polace from sum1 u dont know..thats some sign of IL..at work..its ambiguous..and u need to isolate her to see if she continues it beyond work atmosphere

 

[becker]

Actually, the only times I've really run into this girl where I've gotten intense eye contact has been outside the workplace. I've never had to go to her to ask a work-related question or anything like that, which I'm assuming are those situations where the whole eye contact thing is more obligatory.

I seriously just need to get her alone somehow when I talk with her, since I'm always in the presence of others when I'm chatting, so it can be awkward just asking her about herself with all these people around since she may not want the world to know everything about her.