How to leverage "upper-class professional" status

[FutureSpartan]

Hey guys.

Its a pretty exciting time for me right now. I am in the process of studying for my certification exam right now and will start my full-time gig in January. My starting salary is strong with high upward growth if I bust my butt and bring in new clients for the firm.

My dad is also positioning me to project high status by letting me rent his luxury condo close to where I work at a reasonable rate.

With all of this coming at me soon...How do I handle this transition from "average college guy living with parents" to "ambitious young professional" when it comes to meeting women.

Obviously I don't want to brag that I have a nice place and make good money, and a part of me wonders if I do mention it, risk getting pigeonholed as a "provider" and then forced into the "relationship frame."

How can I use this angle to benefit my sex life from a "lover" frame?

I missed out on the college experience from going to a suburban commuter school while living with my parents....and I really want to make the best of my "big break"

Advice from the older guys here is appreciated!

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

Dress nice and stay well groomed. Wear a nice watch, nice shoes, nice belt, nice wallet, etc...

Other than that nothing.

Woman pick up when you try to brag (even if you're just dropping little tiny hints of your success) and will either think you're a douche (wich will be true) or get excited and start seeing $$ signs.

Don't bring up your success. Let your appearance speak for itself and women will find out.

 

[Duffdog]

I say do the opposite.

They make BMW's for a reason you know...and that reason is so that guys don't have to say anything to impress the girl. Bragging isn't necessary if you are in an M5. It is important that when/if you talk of your accomplishments/career/house/etc., that you do it in a manner that shows it doesn't matter to you. So, saying something like "Hey, guess what I have! I have a _______ and a __________ and I am so cool..." shows that you care deeply. It shouldn't matter to you because you are trying to show that everything in your life comes easy and that you don't have to try like all the other losers around you.

So, when speaking about your many fabulous things and opportunities, its best to just leave them out until the girl specifically asks about them. As in:

hb"what did you do this weekend"
you"I was up at the lake doing a little waterskiing"
hb"what lake? waterskiing?"
you"Yeah, sometimes I like to go to the cabin, its quite relaxing..."

obviously you know what she is going to say next, right?

hb"cabin! cool-- is it yours? who do you go waterskiing with...blah blah blah"

The point is to make her pull the information she wants out of you without you volunteering anything. You just make slight hints to things that show how affluent and interesting you are without you telling the girl how cool you are.

For instance, when a girl asks what I drive, my response is always: "that depends on what day it is" or in the morning at my house after we wake up from drunken sex after a cab ride to my place, I typically ask (in a half joking manner) "what car should we take?" then, look at the different luxury vehicles in my driveway and let her pick one.

Here is a secret: I come from a very affluent family. One of the things that I have noticed my family doing is calling people out subversively when they brag about things they own. I couldn't imagine how much that stings if you are a nouveau person and it happens to you. And the thing that sucks is that you would never know that its happening to you. So...don't do it!

 

[women haze]

I hate you man......LOL j/k

 

[Megaman XIV]

I say do the opposite.

They make BMW's for a reason you know...and that reason is so that guys don't have to say anything to impress the girl. Bragging isn't necessary if you are in an M5. It is important that when/if you talk of your accomplishments/career/house/etc., that you do it in a manner that shows it doesn't matter to you. So, saying something like "Hey, guess what I have! I have a _______ and a __________ and I am so cool..." shows that you care deeply. It shouldn't matter to you because you are trying to show that everything in your life comes easy and that you don't have to try like all the other losers around you.

So, when speaking about your many fabulous things and opportunities, its best to just leave them out until the girl specifically asks about them. As in:

hb"what did you do this weekend"
you"I was up at the lake doing a little waterskiing"
hb"what lake? waterskiing?"
you"Yeah, sometimes I like to go to the cabin, its quite relaxing..."

obviously you know what she is going to say next, right?

hb"cabin! cool-- is it yours? who do you go waterskiing with...blah blah blah"

The point is to make her pull the information she wants out of you without you volunteering anything. You just make slight hints to things that show how affluent and interesting you are without you telling the girl how cool you are.

For instance, when a girl asks what I drive, my response is always: "that depends on what day it is" or in the morning at my house after we wake up from drunken sex after a cab ride to my place, I typically ask (in a half joking manner) "what car should we take?" then, look at the different luxury vehicles in my driveway and let her pick one.

Here is a secret: I come from a very affluent family. One of the things that I have noticed my family doing is calling people out subversively when they brag about things they own. I couldn't imagine how much that stings if you are a nouveau person and it happens to you. And the thing that sucks is that you would never know that its happening to you. So...don't do it!

They make Mercedes Benzes and Lexuses for a reason too! Those cars can really help. Extra points for an Armani suit and an Omega/ Rolex watch.

Let success speak for itself, not the other way around.

BTW I LOL'd at that first paragraph. Funny as hell but true!

 

[Julian]

Be like Patrick Bateman (minus the psychosis)

 

[zekko]

I've wondered this myself. I make a pretty decent wage, but I was raised to think it's tacky to discuss how much you make, and I do believe that. Still, it does figure into my value, so I've often wondered how to communicate that.

 

[Duffdog]

I've wondered this myself. I make a pretty decent wage, but I was raised to think it's tacky to discuss how much you make, and I do believe that. Still, it does figure into my value, so I've often wondered how to communicate that.

Ah- good one! Though, some girls are notorious *cough* asian girls *cough* for harping on you over and over trying to find out what you do and what you make. This is what I always say: "I don't really have to worry about money" and leave it at that.

 

[FutureSpartan]

Hey guys, thanks for the advice, especially Duff.

I am moving out in two weeks!

 

[Unbridled_Phoenix]

It sounds like you and I are in the same boat. I'm currently in the licensing process for a large financial services company.

We're in the money, we're in the money...

 

[DonGorgon]

Expensive cloths cologn, shoes haircuts cars BMW or Merc or both... the things all women love.. keep a sly sneaky smile but never a big grin.. oh stay tanned..

When you walk into the expensive social spots great all the managers and head to the bar fro expensive drinks.. before you can say ho you have hos chasing you..

 

[old married dude]

Invest in a very nice wardrobe.
Sounds like you already will have a nice crib, just deck it out with quality furnishings, nice big screen LED TV, surround sound, bar, jet tub, etc.
A nice watch like a Breitling would be good.
I have to disagree with getting a BMW or Benz, they're played out & every other baller out there has one. I think pure performance cars are where it's at. Look at a Z-06 Corvette or a Nissan GT-R, both cars will outperform almost anything on the road, and you'll really stand out from the crowd.

 

[DonGorgon]

Invest in a very nice wardrobe.
Sounds like you already will have a nice crib, just deck it out with quality furnishings, nice big screen LED TV, surround sound, bar, jet tub, etc.
A nice watch like a Breitling would be good.
I have to disagree with getting a BMW or Benz, they're played out & every other baller out there has one. I think pure performance cars are where it's at. Look at a Z-06 Corvette or a Nissan GT-R, both cars will outperform almost anything on the road, and you'll really stand out from the crowd.

BMW and benz will never be "played out" ask any gold diggin ho..lol

 

[old married dude]

BMW and benz will never be "played out" ask any gold diggin ho..lol

LOL I guess not to the gold diggers. They're just all over the place where I live.

I like to drive something that's not a very common sight out on the highways. I wish I had the $ to drop on the new ZR-1 Corvette, those are hot & pretty exclusive. Not Lambo or Ferrari exclusive or anything, but definitely something uncommon.

 

[DonGorgon]

LOL I guess not to the gold diggers. They're just all over the place where I live.

I like to drive something that's not a very common sight out on the highways. I wish I had the $ to drop on the new ZR-1 Corvette, those are hot & pretty exclusive. Not Lambo or Ferrari exclusive or anything, but definitely something uncommon.

I want an 2010 EVO MR-Touring ... mmmmmm

 

[DonGorgon]

lol... 'projecting the image'? Are you fvcking serious? You know most RICH people don't drive BMWs and have gold watches right? You wouldn't know a rich person if you stood him/her beside an average joe. The real rich people don't like anyone knowing they have $$$. I know a few guys that make in upwards of $500 to $900 per year that take one vacation a year, shop at thrift stores and drive mid range cars. You don't get rich by blowing all your money on STUFF. What you're talking about is projecting the image of the 'pseudo rich' or the people that need to buy nice things to feel like they're part of the circle. If you can't afford a Lear Jet without going into debt then you aren't rich amigo. If you want to impress the wealthy then invest your money, and stay away from useless stuff.

Its all about marketing the rich image to the poor person. If you want to mix with the rich families then you gotta bang their daughters, plain and simple... and speaking from personal experience... the daughters won't care if you live in the ghetto and wear yesterday's underwear if you've got a bit of game.

You can show good taste by having nice things.. without being extravegant

 

[synergy1]

lol... 'projecting the image'? Are you fvcking serious? You know most RICH people don't drive BMWs and have gold watches right? You wouldn't know a rich person if you stood him/her beside an average joe. The real rich people don't like anyone knowing they have $$$. I know a few guys that make in upwards of $500 to $900 per year that take one vacation a year, shop at thrift stores and drive mid range cars. You don't get rich by blowing all your money on STUFF. What you're talking about is projecting the image of the 'pseudo rich' or the people that need to buy nice things to feel like they're part of the circle. If you can't afford a Lear Jet without going into debt then you aren't rich amigo. If you want to impress the wealthy then invest your money, and stay away from useless stuff.

Its all about marketing the rich image to the poor person. If you want to mix with the rich families then you gotta bang their daughters, plain and simple... and speaking from personal experience... the daughters won't care if you live in the ghetto and wear yesterday's underwear if you've got a bit of game.

people buy stuff they don't need with money they don't have to impress people they don't like. -G. Carlin

The millionaire next door is a great book that talks about the types of millionaires who don't show it. They don't drive expensive cars, buy expensive cloths or send their kids to private schools for the most part ( some do).

 

[nismo-4]

@ DonGorgon, Duffdog, Megaman XIV: BMW's and Benzes will not be played out at all. I totally agree.

@ Fuzzx: I need to break down your paragraph.

lol... 'projecting the image'? Are you fvcking serious?

Most people in the music biz project the image of being rich without actually being rich. I owned a Nissan Sentra and I made it look like a BMW. I was turning more heads than I imagined, probably because I'm Black and I didn't like like one of those Vietnamese people back home who had a tricked out Honda. Oh yeah, lots of people project the image to look like they have more to offer than they may. You may have done it at one point. It does get attention provided you don't go over the top.

You know most RICH people don't drive BMWs and have gold watches right?

Right, they drive Benzes and Bentleys and have platinum Rolexes! Bill Gates drives a Honda Civic and the dude who created Seinfeld has a Toyota Prius! But they more than likely got private jets and houses on each coast that they don't want broadcasted on MTV Cribs or just plain TV or news!

You wouldn't know a rich person if you stood him/her beside an average joe. The real rich people don't like anyone knowing they have $$$.

That's because must rich guys have a natural fear of golddiggers! The guy with a S550 and the Armani suit might be in debt or is having trouble with the upkeep, and conversely, the guy with the Wrangler Jeans and a Foot Locker Polo may have 8 figures in the bank. BTW get a goddamn Prenup!

I know a few guys that make in upwards of $500 to $900 per year that take one vacation a year, shop at thrift stores and drive mid range cars. You don't get rich by blowing all your money on STUFF.

That's how people get into debt so f**kin' much!

What you're talking about is projecting the image of the 'pseudo rich' or the people that need to buy nice things to feel like they're part of the circle.

At least they'll get female attention, which is better than no attention at all. BTW do you realize that every f**kin' woman is a golddigger underneath somewhere, she just won't tell you right away because she knows that men get scared off quickly and the woman's rep is damaged in the process. Most women who want to marry a millionaire discover that they can't so they make it seem like a guy who is caring and who has a shiny personality is great. Reality check, these same women are just taking what they can get!

If you can't afford a Lear Jet without going into debt then you aren't rich amigo. If you want to impress the wealthy then invest your money, and stay away from useless stuff.

I'd hardly call a Rolex or Omega watch useless. To impress the wealthy, start your own goddamn business! Also, why the f**k would you be worried about impressing the wealthy? To get a girl? If that's the case, you need to be slapped. Anybody in this world who's a millionaire is guaranteed to have a girlfriend, regardless of age. Look at J. Howard Marshall!

Its all about marketing the rich image to the poor person.

If you see a poor dude looking trendy or with a nice car, maybe he knows other ways around to get that stuff. He may have gotten the sh*t from ebay or he may be getting hand-me-ups. The poor dudes know that being rich guarantees you a girlfriend not matter how trendy you may be. Being pseudo-rich, however, does not.

If you want to mix with the rich families then you gotta bang their daughters, plain and simple...

And to get them, as they are quite classy, you've got to show some class yourself. The more class and money you got, the more HB9+'s you'll have begging to f**k you!

and speaking from personal experience... the daughters won't care if you live in the ghetto and wear yesterday's underwear if you've got a bit of game.

Bullsh*t! That only holds up for so long. If you end up having to compete with a guy who's clean, rich, trendy, and drives a better car than you, look out! Why the f**k would a girl who grew up owning Mercedes Benzes and BMW's be impressed with a average guy with a 6 year old Pontiac? That shows you ain't got a lot to offer. Here again, if you want a high class girl, you gotta show some class yourself to the best of your ability and your wallet.

Read b- You know what to do.

 

[FutureSpartan]

Guys all of this debate about whether money matters or not needs to be put in the proper context.

Are you looking for a long-term relationship? Then no being rich does not matter. Why? Because you only need to find one girl that shares your worldview and does not need all the flash and extravagence to be happy. Trust me they are out there...usually more conservative and traditional women. Don't get me wrong they still expect the man to be the breadwinner and provide...but their definition of breadwinner is not in terms of what luxury vehicle you drive or how big your house is. As long as you have steady employment, a clean decent car, well-kept place, and act like a man you can find at least a semi-attractive woman to settle down with.

Fuzzx is an extreme example but if he can find someone being the cheap b*stard he is then any middle-class dude can do the same.



On the other hand if your looking to play the field and date as many attractive women as possible....then yes having the loaded bank account, nice car, nice place, nice watch, knowing the "in-crowd" , fame, good looks, nice clothes, swagger, etc...etc will help you appeal to a wider swath of women than your average schlub would. Not all of these attributes are necessary but obviously the more you have the more types of women you will attract. Yes there will be gold-diggers in the bunch but if your not looking to settle down no biggie. Have your fun w/ them and don't get trapped.

If you want to play the field successfully and without getting rejected constantly, this is the price you gotta pay.

 

[Duffdog]

You seem to have alot of hang ups about money kid.. From your post you are obviously close to broke, have no experience with money and very little game. Women simply don't care about your $$$ value if you can provide fun and adventure... it does NOT have to be backed by mega bucks.

You can believe whatever theory you like but I'm speaking from personal experience and happen to be living it everyday. I have more money in the bank then most people but you wouldn't know it from my thrift based lifestyle. I take my gf (from an extremely wealthy family) dumpster diving and beer bottle hunting on a regular basis... we rarely eat out except for the occasional buffet, I wear clothes from Value Village... no watch, $10 walmart velcro shoes and my wheels are plain jane boring. I fill my days with lots of inexpensive fun & adventures (minus the flight time)... and my girlfriend [who could be spending her days with high rollers], would rather live with me in my parents house. She is also hot, younger than you and loyal as the day is long. Maybe the difference is that she's not American.

B.

No offense,

But I HATE stories about people who live slovenly lifestyles and "hide" their fortunes away so that "nobody knows." That is the weakest, most servile lifestyle anyone can have. What exactly are you saving your money for? Are you just hoping that one day, your stockpile of money will get you something without you actually spending it?

I got news for you. You definitely DO NOT have tons of money in the bank if you are even concerned in the least about skimping on clothes. You might think that you are wealthy, but the fact remains that truly wealthy people buy things that the average person thinks are expensive because to a wealthy person, spending 80k on a car is like me giving you a dollar. Those guys you know who make less than 1M per year are not super wealthy either. I wouldn't take any advise from them. Let me know if you know anyone who has a 5th vacation home that costs 40M-- I bet that you do not. What you are is a 'wannabe', so whether or not you hide your assets behind the guise of being "thrifty" does not change the fact that you are not in the social class that is in control.

Also, for your information, all of the forbes top 100 have ridiculously lavish houses, jets, yachts etc that they choose not to tell everyone about. It doesn't mean that they don't have them, it just means that you don't know about it. So yeah, while Bill gates drives a civic for PR reasons, he also has 200 supercars registered in his name. You are not like Bill Gates, you just DONT HAVE ANYTHING.

Now, the interesting thing about nismo is that he totally accepts the materialistic nature of attractive females instead of trying to fight it. There is no point in trying to shame people who choose to appear more valuable by saying that they are somehow wasteful because they want luxury items.

One of my favorite experiences when I was out clubbing was at the end of the night at the valet. I was waiting for my lexus with my friend when there were these two super hot blonde girls standing by themselves, but not in line for a car. I saw these two tanned douchebag guys start talking to the girls and the girls were actually favorably responding. They were attractive dudes, sure. The problem happened when their riced out mitsubishi lancer came up to the curb and the valet gave one of the guys the keys. This car had all the typical crap added to it including exhaust, spoiler, ground kit, hood vent, stickers, blue lights, etc (you could barely tell it was a lancer)... One of the girls turned to the driver and said "what kind of car is that?"... then, not more than a second later, this sharply dressed asian guy who was probly 5'7" came up behind them and asked "Is that a ferrari or something?" And you knew he was totally waiting to just stomp on their self esteem in front of everyone. Then, after the d-bag guy sort of waffled and was like "its a custom blah blah blah turbo blah" The valet parks an S55 AMG in front of the rice mobile. The asian guy turns to d-bag guy and says "I used to have a car like that in high school" and him and the two hot blondes get into the AMG and drive off.

The amount of "OOOhhh, thats cold!" remarks and laughs at that moment in time were truly awesome. Whether or not the asian guy slept with these two girls (he might have honestly) or not does not change the fact that he displayed very high status to his peers and to the other girls who were watching. The positives outweigh the negatives to us young single males who want to fvck every hot b1tch we see. Displaying wealth is one of the ways you can accomplish that goal.