How to fix the problems white knights and AFC's are creating?

[PlayHer Man]

I agree that PUA's and Players have always existed....but they were limited in number because the family unit was valued, women married off earlier and there was a price to being a slut. The social structure was not conducive to producing a serious community of Players and PUA's.

Remove these constrictions and PUA's and Players flourish.

Look at this site as a perfect example. Would this really exist if the family unit were still intact and Beta's were getting married at the ripe old age of 20?

All PUA sites exist to fill a demand. A demand that never would have existed if hordes of men were not being left out in the cold without a pu$$y to fvk.

I have to agree with this. I for one didn't start out wanting to spin plates and sport f*ck women. Overtime it simply became the best option.

When you consider the LOW quality of modern women and their general disdain for loyalty, submission and pretty much any feminine behavior outside of looking pretty.. sport f*cking is the most logical and rewarding option.

A man simply engages women physically and neglects them emotionally since there is no longer any reward for bonding with women. The cost and dangers outweigh the benefits and only the most desperate faggots would bother with these entitled, self-serving, materialistic opportunists who call themselves "modern women".

In my late teens and early 20's I tried to make relationships work and I wanted to get married. Not anymore.

 

[pierce_r]

Someone explain to me, in a non-cynical way that makes sense, why you'd ever want to fix the problems that the AFC's and White Knights are creating?

I'll say this again:

Supply. And. Demand.

As the supply of actual, honest-to-God MEN goes down, the value goes UP.

I just came from a coffee date with a girl I met at the office supply store this morning. I remodeled my den -- it was my bedroom when my wife was alive so I put up cherry paneling and moved in a desk and bookshelves; I made the great room upstairs into a palacial bedroom with French doors, a loft bed, a fireplace, a leather sofa, a hot tub on the deck, etc. -- and I took in a few pics for her to print, that I intend to frame. The pics were for the den, pics of me doing fun things -- rock climbing, competing in a judo match, crossing a finish line at a race, doing high-speed Army stuff. A pic of my dad in Vietnam. Guy stuff. Fun stuff. She couldn't help but bring it up. I told her I had remodeled my den, I live in this old farmhouse that I've totally redone, and was going to frame the pictures for the den that I just finished and she said -- SHE said -- that she'd love to see it. I asked her out for coffee after work and she's home changing right now because she's coming over for dinner.

Did I mention that she's 25? And adorable? A little tall and busty for my taste -- I like them petite -- but cute as hell. Into organic food and going to massage school. At our coffee date (I wanted to ensure she wasn't crazy before I invited her to my house) she mentioned three times that nobody her age ever does anything cool anymore. All the guys her age, she says, play video games or live at home or go out clubbing. She actually had a guy invite her to his place for dinner, and he proceeded to order Domino's and play EVE. He introduced her to his online gaming group over headphones.

All the pics that I had her print were things she said she thought were awesome. She likes that I'm older, and that I've done stuff and that I continue to do stuff and I don't ask for anyone's opinion. She liked that I didn't check my phone once during the date. She liked that I wore "grown up shoes." She even liked the fact that I didn't ask her if it was okay if I had another coffee. She noticed that, and liked it.

WTF kind of mewling coward asks for his date's permission to have another cup of coffee? Seriously.

She is coming over for dinner, and bringing massage oil, because I am the polar opposite of the guys she meets every day.

Let these pussified, soft-knuckled, preening "nice guys" keep making things easier for actual men. PLEASE. I'll be over here grilling steaks in the freezing cold and nailing 25-year-olds on a bearskin rug in front of my fireplace, which is stoked with wood I split with a maul I sharpen myself.

I missed the past 14 years of dating so I'm not sure what went wrong while I was gone, but I hope nobody ever fixes it. This is an amazing time to be a man.

Wake the **** up. Man the **** up. You're wasting your life otherwise.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Someone explain to me, in a non-cynical way that makes sense, why you'd ever want to fix the problems that the AFC's and White Knights are creating?

I'll say this again:

Supply. And. Demand.

As the supply of actual, honest-to-God MEN goes down, the value goes UP.

I just came from a coffee date with a girl I met at the office supply store this morning. I remodeled my den -- it was my bedroom when my wife was alive so I put up cherry paneling and moved in a desk and bookshelves; I made the great room upstairs into a palacial bedroom with French doors, a loft bed, a fireplace, a leather sofa, a hot tub on the deck, etc. -- and I took in a few pics for her to print, that I intend to frame. The pics were for the den, pics of me doing fun things -- rock climbing, competing in a judo match, crossing a finish line at a race, doing high-speed Army stuff. A pic of my dad in Vietnam. Guy stuff. Fun stuff. She couldn't help but bring it up. I told her I had remodeled my den, I live in this old farmhouse that I've totally redone, and was going to frame the pictures for the den that I just finished and she said -- SHE said -- that she'd love to see it. I asked her out for coffee after work and she's home changing right now because she's coming over for dinner.

Did I mention that she's 25? And adorable? A little tall and busty for my taste -- I like them petite -- but cute as hell. Into organic food and going to massage school. At our coffee date (I wanted to ensure she wasn't crazy before I invited her to my house) she mentioned three times that nobody her age ever does anything cool anymore. All the guys her age, she says, play video games or live at home or go out clubbing. She actually had a guy invite her to his place for dinner, and he proceeded to order Domino's and play EVE. He introduced her to his online gaming group over headphones.

All the pics that I had her print were things she said she thought were awesome. She likes that I'm older, and that I've done stuff and that I continue to do stuff and I don't ask for anyone's opinion. She liked that I didn't check my phone once during the date. She liked that I wore "grown up shoes." She even liked the fact that I didn't ask her if it was okay if I had another coffee. She noticed that, and liked it.

WTF kind of mewling coward asks for his date's permission to have another cup of coffee? Seriously.

She is coming over for dinner, and bringing massage oil, because I am the polar opposite of the guys she meets every day.

Let these pussified, soft-knuckled, preening "nice guys" keep making things easier for actual men. PLEASE. I'll be over here grilling steaks in the freezing cold and nailing 25-year-olds on a bearskin rug in front of my fireplace, which is stoked with wood I split with a maul I sharpen myself.

I missed the past 14 years of dating so I'm not sure what went wrong while I was gone, but I hope nobody ever fixes it. This is an amazing time to be a man.

Wake the **** up. Man the **** up. You're wasting your life otherwise.

Its all fun and games until you get married. Then all the alpha frame and being a "real man" won't do much for you.

Also.. you seemed to have missed the part where we pointed out how the overall QUALITY of women has declined. That's the main problem. White knights and AFC's make it too easy for women to be entitled, selfish and c*nty.

So while the supply of real men has gone down.. so has the supply of real women. It sucks for relationships, it sucks for kids and it sucks for society.

Its great for being a man-wh0re though. I won't deny that.

 

[disgustipated]

Ron Burgundy posting itt?

 

[LiveFreeX]

All the guys her age, she says, play video games or live at home or go out clubbing. She actually had a guy invite her to his place for dinner, and he proceeded to order Domino's and play EVE. He introduced her to his online gaming group over headphones.

Hey man, EVE is fvcking cool
>.. like way cooler than giving some dumb b1tch a massage. If I was rich I would sit around playing EVE all fvckin day. Also Pizza beats out sex any day of the week. UNLESS YOU ARENT GETTING ANY.

This is what happens when you get married and have too much sex.

I would much rather play EVE and eat pizza that fvck. I sh1t, p1ss and fvck as a necessity only.

 

[Solomon]

You guys already know my stance on this topic, I've warned my fellow brethern and now it's all coming to ahead this post will describe everything I always try to say better then I could

For the guy that said white Knights and Beta's get results, how?

Beta's and WK's don't get puzzy unless they trick off (spend money) or play Captain save a hoe with a single mother who already has 3 kids by 3 different guys. Even then those women don't respect them, deep down they loath them.

I can't say on how this will change, although I do have my theories (like the link I posted above)

All I know is the solution for myself is simple (Easier said then done though)

A guy on this forum discussed it 10 years ago

A Man follows the passion in his life. Passion of women? Of course not. A Man has goals and desires that goes above that of chasing chicks. After childhood, there are TRUE winners and losers in life. A Man desires to be the winner. A Man WANTS to win in what he does. Because of his passion, a Man can sometimes come off as arrogant and egotistical. He does not apologize for this or for his desires.

This is what drives me right now, women will always be around but as long as I follow my passion. Also here is another gem which doesn't get talked about how to utilize your spiritual power i.e. Sexual Transmutation as a Force (think Jedi like) let the sage explain it better then I since most of you guys don't have a clue of what I'm trying to say

I can divide the people on this board in two groups, those that are in transmutation and those that are not. Those that are not care only for the practical, the earthly talk like "how do I get her in my bed tonight" type questions. The transmutation group is a bit different and is both amazed and stunned at how reality is reshaping before their eyes. It is because THEY are reshaping.

As for myself, the transmutation is going full strength. I started out as a very skinny pale guy, who dressed badly, who couldn't understand people, and was lost in my little nerdy world (whose job prospects probably would be nothing worthy). In a couple of years, I've become very muscular, six pack of abs of course, considering even modeling, much more social, understand people better then they understand themselves, whose knowledge goes from law to poetry to oratory (and I had a speech impediment so severe I was considered 'mentally retarded' and went through 'special ed' throughout elementary!) to even acting. And this just a couple of years! I just wish I started this *change* earlier.

As for yourself, I bet you can say something similiar. But EMBRACE that transmutation. The male sexuality obeys to the female sexuality just as female sexuality obeys to the male sexuality. "Why is this, Pook?" Because sexuality is not two BUT ONE.

Don't you guys get it? You are at a critical time in your life. You are free of the mother yet still before the wife. You have no female support. Thus, you possess the opportunity to metemorph yourself to whatever you want. Most guys just get crunched up in the CYCLE. YOU, however, are different.

You have been given another chance at life. Nature only gives these opportunties to a SELECT few.

This is the solution to my problem, I was going through and still going through this. Things have happened where in certain area I have progress greatly (I doubled my Income after having lost a job) and also regressed greatly (Put on a bunch of weight). This is my solution to my issue and I gurantee you if a lot of guys have this mindset as well they wouldn't be worrying about "MY Ex" or "Spinning Plates". I'm prefectly content to be alone right now because I have more time to focus on my passions and my desire to win

There is many topics I've wanted to discuss on the board but I've had to hold back, what good is giving babes bread when they can only digest milk?

 

[Poonani Maker]

I feel like many times that if I Don't compliment a woman, tell she's beautiful just like every fvcking guy who crosses her path daily, then she'll just "be gone" with me because I didn't give her the attention "fix" that she needed or relishes in, DESPITE it being said all the time. She Hears it ALL the time and comes to expect it (the goo-goo gah-gah slobbering over her as5 face, body, t!ts, etc). When you don't do as all these other losers do for her pumping (pomping) her ego, then she most likely will not care if you are different and don't do as they do and kiss her as5 ALWAYS.

I fvcked a young hot one this weekend, she was "in" to me, of course, loved my as5, body, play acting with her (we just went about town as if we were rich, just acting, kinda silly, but she knew that with me on her, by her side, she'd stand out, as almost god-like celebrity status, so we could be Fake, even with each other....I really don't know her all that well (who really knows Anyone that well, people can ACT, but behind closed doors are entirely separate creatures). I'm beginning to believe more and more in Spirit, in there being an afterlife and that demons/evil DOES exist and that I'd better take time to reflect on how I will restore my soul. The more your physical body gets burdened upon, either by WORK (in your everyday job) or by woman (on top of you fvcking), the more compressed you become, OLDER you become, more used you become, more tired you become, more beaten down, you begin to Search...for meaning in all of this...What is going on????

What out there is connected to ME, that loves me, that is apart of me, that makes me up already...this universe is VERY bizarre...

But the young lass I was with, she could not speak on subjects (without sounding dumb, or like a doh-doh bird...maybe not to Her ears, but to my educated ears, yes --- this goes for almost ALL women, though, they can't engage in a LENGTHY drawn out discussion about complex things, about complex ideas about things, their music, most of them, is bland, popular, bubble gummy, and just frankly, not much to it, most women's)...they can't hold a thought for very long...they'll start to drift and maybe look down to their cellphone and flip flip, good God, they are VERY different from us, weakness, very small-minded

And they don't want to consider ANYTHING for VERY LONG. They don't want to THINK about anything for very LONG. It makes me wonder how any woman excels scholastically.

But SOME are capable, few and far between...

Sure fvcking a fine pvssy/as5 (though small droopy t!ts) all night sweaty, is such a great pursuit, yes yes, sure, but still, we have little in common, she has distractions and limitations mentally...and with guys always pomping her ego about herself where she can do no wrong, she can just ignore whatever brilliance you've just said. It doesn't matter to her, all that matters is how she FEELS about herself. That is your Only job, to make her FEEL good about herself because they are so insecure. as are we sometimes, but it's more fleeting for us, while theirs is constant, everyday thing.

 

[zekko]

Look at this site as a perfect example. Would this really exist if the family unit were still intact and Beta's were getting married at the ripe old age of 20?

All PUA sites exist to fill a demand. A demand that never would have existed if hordes of men were not being left out in the cold without a pu$$y to fvk.

Doesn't PUA Theory teach that "marriage" and "monogamy" are social constructs, developed partly so that Betas could have a shot at having women/a woman? So is this a good thing or a bad? Don't most of the guys here aspire to be Alphas and have the attitude that the Betas should all go fvck themselves?

White knights and AFC's make it too easy for women to be entitled, selfish and c*nty.

PUAs contribute too, by making sure there are plenty of c0cks to make up the c0ck carousel.

Beta's and WK's don't get puzzy unless they trick off (spend money) or play Captain save a hoe with a single mother who already has 3 kids by 3 different guys. Even then those women don't respect them, deep down they loath them.

Higher level betas do all right.

We may find white knight behavior abhorrent, but not all of it is a turn off to women. Playing the part of "Protector" can be seen as a masculine role and an attraction trigger, especially if it is accompanied by a display of dominance over other men.

 

[CrimsonPanther]

something for a small dose of the LULz

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aBKnGKO_700b_v1.jpg

 

[PlayHer Man]

PUAs contribute too, by making sure there are plenty of c0cks to make up the c0ck carousel.

So you are basically saying its men's fault women are sluts? You are saying men should turn down easy sex? :crackup: :crackup:

I like how men are the ONLY ones who should be accountable for their behavior in your book. When someone eats 15 Cheeseburgers at Burger King and gets fat, you choose to blame Burger King for selling them 15 burgers rather than blaming the ACTUAL PERSON WHO IS EATING THEM.

YES.. Burger King should turn down money because some moron has no self-control.

You can't be this stupid. :crazy:

If a woman is a slut its 100% HER fault an no one else's.

 

[zekko]

So you are basically saying its men's fault women are sluts?.

Learn to read.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Learn to read.

No explanation, elaboration or analysis huh? Interesting...

It seems I called you out appropriately then.

 

[zekko]

No explanation, elaboration or analysis huh?

Not worth it. You will just misrepresent whatever I say.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Not worth it. You will just misrepresent whatever I say.

Wow.. Zekko. Am I really that intimidating? :crackup: :crackup:

I would only fear getting called out if I knew I was talking sh!t.

 

[potato]

This is another one of those threads that I find so out of whack. I mean, do you guys really think this way? The only thing that I would agree with is that PUAs are betas.

….we live in a society that is geared towards the benefit of women… …I'm curious to know where did we (men as a whole) go wrong.

…Where did the self-respect of men go to? …

Really? Maybe I’ve got it wrong but I really don’t see a world geared towards the benefit of women, to the exclusion of men. Many of us men do have a great deal of self respect as well as respect from women.

When I’m out in the world, wherever I go, there are women who treat me really well –apparently better than other men. It has always been a competition. When I pursue a woman, my success depends a great deal on competition from other men. Typically that competition is lacking.

 

[CrimsonPanther]

Another apples and oranges statement by you potato.

Society is built to benefit women at the expense of men, especially after your generations "equality" legislation.

You, for some reason, make this an argument about getting respect from women???? How did you interpret that to be anything about women respecting men?

• Women get custody of children over 90% of the time.
• Women accuse a man of rape, he is automatically guilty.
• Women accuse a man of domestic violence, he is automatically guilty.
• Women say anything bad about a man, he is automatically guilty.
• Women can choose to keep, or murder a man's child. He can't choose to walk away from being a father, when he doesn't even ask to murder the baby to have that right.

I could keep going on, but any reasonable person should get the point.

i get the point. and i agree. a society where these things are accepted should be killed with fire.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Potato aren't you a girl?

 

[potato]

Another apples and oranges statement by you potato.

Society is built to benefit women at the expense of men, especially after your generations "equality" legislation.

You, for some reason, make this an argument about getting respect from women???? How did you interpret that to be anything about women respecting men?

• Women get custody of children over 90% of the time.
• Women accuse a man of rape, he is automatically guilty.
• Women accuse a man of domestic violence, he is automatically guilty.
• Women say anything bad about a man, he is automatically guilty.
• Women can choose to keep, or murder a man's child. He can't choose to walk away from being a father, when he doesn't even ask to murder the baby to have that right.

I could keep going on, but any reasonable person should get the point.

I don’t see it this way at all. When I broke up with the mother of my children, I got full custody of the children. I’ve never been accused of rape, domestic violence, nor can I remember any woman saying anything all that bad about me. Rather it is the other way around. I often think of certain women as my defenders because they rise to my defense. This past year I had to go through the criminal justice department because men made false accusations against me. It was women who defended me. There were women who were willing to lie, if necessary, in court to defend me. It was a woman judge who saw through the lies of my accusers and set me free.

I have never lost a job to a woman. Rather, I’ve had jobs, as a project manager, where I had authority over groups of women. In social settings women are always giving me preference.

Most of my inner circle includes women. Of the men that are my friends (from ages 35 to 55) we never sit around complaining about how women have taken over and gotten all this advantage. We talk about the things women do for us, how they make our lives so much happier.

By the way, a zygote is not a baby or a child.

 

[goodganji44]

I don’t see it this way at all. When I broke up with the mother of my children, I got full custody of the children. I’ve never been accused of rape, domestic violence, nor can I remember any woman saying anything all that bad about me. Rather it is the other way around. I often think of certain women as my defenders because they rise to my defense. This past year I had to go through the criminal justice department because men made false accusations against me. It was women who defended me. There were women who were willing to lie, if necessary, in court to defend me. It was a woman judge who saw through the lies of my accusers and set me free.

I have never lost a job to a woman. Rather, I’ve had jobs, as a project manager, where I had authority over groups of women. In social settings women are always giving me preference.

Most of my inner circle includes women. Of the men that are my friends (from ages 35 to 55) we never sit around complaining about how women have taken over and gotten all this advantage. We talk about the things women do for us, how they make our lives so much happier.

By the way, a zygote is not a baby or a child.

For you to get custody of your children in these kinds of times must mean that you did one hell of a job as a father and overall as a person. In most cases, women will earn custody of the children by default and there's nothing we as men can do about it. In your case, you're an exception to the rule.

 

[CrimsonPanther]

I don’t see it this way at all. When I broke up with the mother of my children, I got full custody of the children. I’ve never been accused of rape, domestic violence, nor can I remember any woman saying anything all that bad about me. Rather it is the other way around. I often think of certain women as my defenders because they rise to my defense. This past year I had to go through the criminal justice department because men made false accusations against me. It was women who defended me. There were women who were willing to lie, if necessary, in court to defend me. It was a woman judge who saw through the lies of my accusers and set me free.

I have never lost a job to a woman. Rather, I’ve had jobs, as a project manager, where I had authority over groups of women. In social settings women are always giving me preference.

Most of my inner circle includes women. Of the men that are my friends (from ages 35 to 55) we never sit around complaining about how women have taken over and gotten all this advantage. We talk about the things women do for us, how they make our lives so much happier.

REPLY:This is what fanatic religious people also do when they are unsure about their belief. Oh well, if living in a lie and gathering up with your friends to re-enforce that delusion works for you, keep running from reality and be happily brainwashed. In the meantime the rest of us will acknowledge the truth and NOT sit around complaining, but trying to beat the system at least on a personal scale, hoping it will soon crumble as the BS it is.

By the way, a zygote is not a baby or a child.

i call BS. sorry. you are either a woman(liar), or a delusional male, seeking validation from strangers by bragging, either way, you have lost all credibility.
even if your case is true, it still does not change the WHOLE SYSTEM.
you think your case is all the cases in the world. big mistake.

the US is the worst case. but EU is going towards that also.