How to curb the misogyny?

[carnivale2052]

Don't get me wrong: I'm glad I know this stuff. There are enough women that you have to watch out for where it's helpful to know this stuff.

On the other hand I feel like it's a double-edged sword. While it's good to be prepared just in case you run into a woman with the symptoms discussed on this site - and they aren't always just the hot women either - generalizing and hating a gender isn't any better. It just leads to a negative attitude and in my case it's lead to a casual distaste for all women. It's gotten to a point where I see a woman on tv dressed up or wearing a lot of make up and think "avoid her" or "she's probably a b1tch."

There was a post in the main forum a few days ago about how facebook and social media has brought out the worst in women and as I was reading it I agreed with it but also thought "This is pointless to think about this."

In my case, my misogyny likely stems from having confidence, thinking I'm attractive, putting on muscle and developing more of a man's body and still going unnoticed by women as far as being checked out at all. On the other hand though, just a month ago I was on a date with a cute girl my type and fooling around with her. Even though it didn't lead to another date, shouldn't her opinion count for something? It's almost like it's forgotten to me, something that happened several years ago.

And this is what I mean: Shouldn't the positive outweigh the negative? A lot of guys on here have success to some degree with women and run into quality women, shouldn't that mean more than the AWs or blunt rejections or princesses we run into?

This is the outlook I'm looking to attain and wondering how to go about it?

It's easy to look at the negative but I mean when you've had success, any success, especially recent success, shouldn't it register instead of just hating on random bad seeds?

My goal was never to hate the opposite gender. Like I said I'm glad that I know the warning signs to look out for but am trying to rid myself of the generalizations and women bashing.

 

[Greasy Pig]

Firstly, misogyny is a very strong word and I don't think that applies to most people here.
We don't hate women, we love them. But we just hate how they act sometimes.
This site is more about loving yourself than hating females.

 

[carnivale2052]

I don't want to get into a discussion about this site and what it is and isn't. But misogyny does not mean you are the next George Sodini. You can find women physically attractive and want to date them and do them but find them repulsive as human beings, which is what a lot of what this site is about.

Look at the posts especially in the main forum - which is why I posted in the mature forum. "Feminism this, feminism that, AW this, sl*t that, women are so evil, watch out for this with women, sweeping generalization."

Like I said I'm not trying to get into a debate about this site, but there is a lot of hatred and bitterness going on especially in the main forum and "men are so much better than women" undertones and overtones.

Like I said I'm glad for the knowledge and the underlying points, but it doesn't really mean anything in the real world. Women are either going to like you or they aren't. If they don't like you, they will give you low interest or play games if they're just flat out someone to avoid. This site makes every woman out to be Valerie from 90210 with underlying motives and needing a math book to understand them.

I'm just looking for the middle ground: Knowing the info but not becoming a rah rah male power women basher. It means nothing when you're dating or doing a chick and will just poison you.

The mature forum for the most part isn't that. I'm talking mostly about the main forum.

 

[JMoney172]

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Look at the posts especially in the main forum - which is why I posted in the mature forum. "Feminism this, feminism that, AW this, sl*t that, women are so evil, watch out for this with women, sweeping generalization."

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Like I said I'm glad for the knowledge and the underlying points, but it doesn't really mean anything in the real world. Women are either going to like you or they aren't. If they don't like you, they will give you low interest or play games if they're just flat out someone to avoid. This site makes every woman out to be Valerie from 90210 with underlying motives and needing a math book to understand them.

I'm just looking for the middle ground: Knowing the info but not becoming a rah rah male power women basher. It means nothing when you're dating or doing a chick and will just poison you.

The mature forum for the most part isn't that. I'm talking mostly about the main forum.

I snipped out the irrelevant parts. This site is a spectrum. You've got the AFCs or rAFCs who come here looking for help and inspiration. You've got people like you who are looking for a middle ground. And then you have people who are just looking to notch their bedpost.

What you are looking for doesn't exist. Life is a power game, plain and simple. You either have power or you don't. The kicker is, the only person you can ever really have power over is yourself. That's why the best posters on this site keep repeating the mantra of "improve yourself". Yes, women are the outward focus of this site, but the real focus is men.

Men have been manipulated and sold by the media just as much as (if not more than) women. If we weren't, we wouldn't need a site like this. The best advice anyone here can give is "handle your sh*t, the bit*hes will come". Get in shape, have active hobbies, get the hell out of your house, off the internet and out of your head.

Women are crazy, and they want to have power over you, because life is a power game and they're programmed to want power by the media and society. But what really gets them going is a guy they can't have power over, because they want to have that power even more. Be that guy. Who cares what women think or do, be your best self and handle your own sh*t.

End rant.

 

[carnivale2052]

"Men have been manipulated and sold by the media just as much as (if not more than) women. If we weren't, we wouldn't need a site like this."

I don't disagree.

"Women are crazy, and they want to have power over you, because life is a power game and they're programmed to want power by the media and society. But what really gets them going is a guy they can't have power over, because they want to have that power even more."

This is what I mean by generalizations. I'm not trying to sound like a feminist if anything I'm the opposite. I just mean that thinking all women are crazy or evil isn't the answer.

And I've never been "that guy" the 10 percent or whatever and have still dated and bedded attractive women.

I'm not looking to win a power struggle between the sexes. I like having the knowledge that some women are to be watched out for, but want to enjoy when I go on a date or have sex and not worry "what's the underlying motive?" when there isn't one.

The women that have given me trouble just weren't interested, plain and simple. Women that have liked me have been honest and easy to read and communicate with.

Games are a result of either dealing with some AW or dealing with low or no interest.

 

[Greasy Pig]

I see your point now, OP.
The fact is, you can protect yourself best by assuming ALL women will hurt you in the end and whittle down the field until you find a good one.

This site just teaches you to be watchful, pepped and in control. Not just of women's behaviour, but yourself.
If you control yourself, you win.

I know a lot of guys think women are the devil - that's just a product of being fvcked over enough times.

With game, you can be as hardcore or as moderate as you want, but I think you're better off assuming all women will fvck you over and being pleasantly surprised one day than the other way around.
I see it as a form of pre-emptive self defence.
You may see it as pessimistic but I see it as protecting yourself.

 

[carnivale2052]

We get more beta and omega males complaining about misogyny than there is actual misogyny.

What's with this "beta" ****? I've probably slept with more women than you son.

Life isn't alpha or beta or whatever. True alphas wouldn't need a site like this anyway. They wouldn't even know a site like this existed.

All I'm asking is how to be a MAN that likes and respects women and doesn't generalize them based on a few bad seeds.

PairPlus, just read any thread on the main forum. It's mostly generalizing and women are the devil posts.

I don't think women are these innocent creatures in fact I know they aren't. But it does no good to generalize.

I also think a lot of guys on this site are aiming after Kim Kardashian AW types then being surprised when they're full of crap. It's hypocrisy at its finest.

In fact there was a post on here by a guy that admittedly he was nothing special himself but wanted to dump his gf for being a 5 or 6.

 

[loveshogun]

This site is more about loving yourself than hating females.

I agree, but tell that to at least half the guys here who start out with "she didn't bang me, what a b*tch."

 

[wait_out]

Carnivale you are not misogynist.

Obviously the irritating terminology is something guys pick up on the net, I'm pretty sure if they have issues with women it's more to do with growing up and their actual experiences. Does SS reinforce bad habits? In the sense it's a place for the like-minded to congregate, sure. But there are as many threads criticizing guys for black & white thinking as those attacking women for their real or imagined misdeeds.

But why even think about it? We aren't going to change the world, it's driven by technology and demographics and economics. You are right to focus on positive thinking, because it makes you attractive. That will improve your life. Talk to the posters that you like if you wish to engage here, pay no attention to the lost causes, and learn from people who have the kind of life you want for yourself. That's a good strategy in most of life IMO.

 

[carnivale2052]

Carnivale you are not misogynist.

Obviously the irritating terminology is something guys pick up on the net, I'm pretty sure if they have issues with women it's more to do with growing up and their actual experiences. Does SS reinforce bad habits? In the sense it's a place for the like-minded to congregate, sure. But there are as many threads criticizing guys for black & white thinking as those attacking women for their real or imagined misdeeds.

But why even think about it? We aren't going to change the world, it's driven by technology and demographics and economics. You are right to focus on positive thinking, because it makes you attractive. That will improve your life. Talk to the posters that you like if you wish to engage here, pay no attention to the lost causes, and learn from people who have the kind of life you want for yourself. That's a good strategy in most of life IMO.

Thanks for the post. Keep in mind I'm not blaming SS at all for my faults. If anything it's the way I've been treated over the years for no other reason than the way I look - when I'm not ugly - by women no better looking than myself and despite successes over the past few years as far as dates/girlfriends/lays, what I had to do to get the "yes's."

I think like a lot of guys on here and in general, I'm mad at the system: That a young woman that's an UG3 will have guys all over her and a guy that's a 6 or 7 can go unnoticed unless he takes drastic steps to meet women and just find a 5-6-7 that likes them back.

Women complain about how bad they have it and how guys just want sex when it isn't the case. If you talk to men, even about a woman's physical appearance, one guy might like asian woman, chubby women, latina women, black women, blondes, brunettes, redheads, stick thin women, big breasted women, flat chested women, nerdy women, short women, tall women. To be attractive to a handful of women, being a 6 or 7 means nothing. To consistently attract women physically, you have to fit a narrow list of criteria.

Stuff like this makes me mad at not any woman in particular but the system. And I realize now that thinking about it is pointless, especially when I'm not doing too poorly for myself in the women department. Just a month ago like I mentioned I was fooling around with a girl my type and 4 months ago slept with a woman my type, but the many disinterested women stand out over that.

I'm trying to flip it the other way around and say "Well I was with women I liked" instead of focusing on women that don't like me because I'm not Ryan Reynolds.

Like I said in an earlier post, any woman that has been rude to me was a woman that was disinterested. The women I've dated and slept with have all treated me well even if it did end badly. My women bashing is just based on the process I suppose and not any woman in particular.

Like you said though it's out of our hands. You can't change the way they world works. You can only work on yourself.

 

[betheman]

Misogyny = is the hatred of women or girls.

I was married, I have daughetrs and granadaughters, do I hate them? no! I work with lots of females, do I hate them? one or two yeah.
there are one or two men I hate also.

personally I hate the term, its cheap, lazy and thrown around like confetti at a wedding, in truth I believe there are very few true outright mysogenists.

what I dont like is the advantage women have, the fact they havent earned it, it was given to them in the false aura that women are equal, they arent and never will be, to men.

what f cucks me off really is that any chalnege to this equality cr@p is automaticaly defaulted by society as mysogeny!

this board is frequented by men who have bad experiences of and with women, men who are learnig the true nature of women, the deceit, waking up from slumber, the realisation that all before was false, the truth hurts, when men hurt, they get angry and frustrated.

they dont hate women, the outpourings are natural, misguided rants, its a process, and one which shouldnt be denied (some women do some really sh!tty things) but if it helps to come here and vent, al well and good, I dotn see posts suporting "yeah women are evil and we should harm them, enslave them, seeke vengence" I see lots of help and guidance about understanding womens true nature.

understanding that nature is a reality check and one which will ultimately bring any man to a point where he should no longer be angry but just accept that women are not what they or society portray them to be.

 

[sstype]

Thanks for the post. Keep in mind I'm not blaming SS at all for my faults. If anything it's the way I've been treated over the years for no other reason than the way I look - when I'm not ugly - by women no better looking than myself and despite successes over the past few years as far as dates/girlfriends/lays, what I had to do to get the "yes's."

I think like a lot of guys on here and in general, I'm mad at the system: That a young woman that's an UG3 will have guys all over her and a guy that's a 6 or 7 can go unnoticed unless he takes drastic steps to meet women and just find a 5-6-7 that likes them back.

Women complain about how bad they have it and how guys just want sex when it isn't the case. If you talk to men, even about a woman's physical appearance, one guy might like asian woman, chubby women, latina women, black women, blondes, brunettes, redheads, stick thin women, big breasted women, flat chested women, nerdy women, short women, tall women. To be attractive to a handful of women, being a 6 or 7 means nothing. To consistently attract women physically, you have to fit a narrow list of criteria.

Stuff like this makes me mad at not any woman in particular but the system. And I realize now that thinking about it is pointless, especially when I'm not doing too poorly for myself in the women department. Just a month ago like I mentioned I was fooling around with a girl my type and 4 months ago slept with a woman my type, but the many disinterested women stand out over that.

I'm trying to flip it the other way around and say "Well I was with women I liked" instead of focusing on women that don't like me because I'm not Ryan Reynolds.

Like I said in an earlier post, any woman that has been rude to me was a woman that was disinterested. The women I've dated and slept with have all treated me well even if it did end badly. My women bashing is just based on the process I suppose and not any woman in particular.

Like you said though it's out of our hands. You can't change the way they world works. You can only work on yourself.

Welcome to dating for the average to above average guy.....tons of rejections, flakes, games, rude behavior with the occasional success/hot streak thrown in.

In today's hyper-competitive society "good enough" is no longer good enough. Get yourself into the top tier financially, socially, physically and reap the rewards.

 

[Burroughs]

Welcome to dating for the average to above average guy.....tons of rejections, flakes, games, rude behavior with the occasional success/hot streak thrown in.

In today's hyper-competitive society "good enough" is no longer good enough. Get yourself into the top tier financially, socially, physically and reap the rewards.

yes cosign.

Even a billionaire is not out of the woods

If you are over 40, rich and average or below in looks you will have to directly pay for it. Jersey shore juiced dudes are what the hottest chicks want. But if you have money you can buy the best azz and cvm on their faces.

but remember even among hoes female opportunism can destroy you.

In america e spitzer got humiliated by one biatch who went against code. while in italy burlesconi literally runs biaches out his house as hookers for YEARS.

this is not hate...this is what women are. deal with it.

 

[zekko]

I think like a lot of guys on here and in general, I'm mad at the system: That a young woman that's an UG3 will have guys all over her and a guy that's a 6 or 7 can go unnoticed unless he takes drastic steps to meet women and just find a 5-6-7 that likes them back.

To be honest, I don't see UG3's having it all that great. Guys will talk to them (maybe even have sex with them - I'll pass), but they don't get attention in the same way that pretty girls get.

Unlike women, most men are average, so being a 6 or 7 doesn't really stand out. Most guys are cluttered around the same point in the spectrum.

In nature, males will have sex with basically anything. But the females are more selective. The males compete with each other by displays of courtship, health, or aggression, and the female has the pick of who she wants. Unfortunately, it's the nature of being male to have to compete. You either embrace it or fall to the side. It may not seem fair, but it's the nature of being male and female. Vive le difference, right?

 

[Mike32ct]

Don't get me wrong: I'm glad I know this stuff. There are enough women that you have to watch out for where it's helpful to know this stuff.

On the other hand I feel like it's a double-edged sword. While it's good to be prepared just in case you run into a woman with the symptoms discussed on this site - and they aren't always just the hot women either - generalizing and hating a gender isn't any better. It just leads to a negative attitude and in my case it's lead to a casual distaste for all women. It's gotten to a point where I see a woman on tv dressed up or wearing a lot of make up and think "avoid her" or "she's probably a b1tch."

Yeah, I've been there and still fall in the trap. I'm quick to think "b*tch or AW" with most women I meet. I don't hate women, but I'm too cynical sometimes.

There was a post in the main forum a few days ago about how facebook and social media has brought out the worst in women and as I was reading it I agreed with it but also thought "This is pointless to think about this."

Agreed. It's true, but pointless to the extent that we can't do anything about it.

In my case, my misogyny likely stems from having confidence, thinking I'm attractive, putting on muscle and developing more of a man's body and still going unnoticed by women as far as being checked out at all.

Exactly. Plenty of decent looking, even good looking guys go unnoticed by women frequently.

On the other hand though, just a month ago I was on a date with a cute girl my type and fooling around with her. Even though it didn't lead to another date, shouldn't her opinion count for something?

Her opinion DOES count for something. But sometimes (and I'm guilty of this too) we downplay or forget about the women that do find us attractive.

It's almost like it's forgotten to me, something that happened several years ago.

I thought I was the only one who experienced that. There is definitely some "time distortion" that goes on during a "dry spell" or between hookups. I F-ed this teacher a year and half ago and it literally seems like a decade ago. It's weird.

And this is what I mean: Shouldn't the positive outweigh the negative? A lot of guys on here have success to some degree with women and run into quality women, shouldn't that mean more than the AWs or blunt rejections or princesses we run into?

It should.

This is the outlook I'm looking to attain and wondering how to go about it?

Maybe you need to VALUE your successes more. I think some guys are so afraid of getting attached or ONEITIS that they downplay any successes. She was ONLY a 7 lol.

It's easy to look at the negative but I mean when you've had success, any success, especially recent success, shouldn't it register instead of just hating on random bad seeds?

Absolutely. By valuing your successes, you will then be able to laugh at those that rejected you.

My goal was never to hate the opposite gender. Like I said I'm glad that I know the warning signs to look out for but am trying to rid myself of the generalizations and women bashing.

Agreed.

 

[sstype]

yes cosign.

Even a billionaire is not out of the woods

If you are over 40, rich and average or below in looks you will have to directly pay for it. Jersey shore juiced dudes are what the hottest chicks want. But if you have money you can buy the best azz and cvm on their faces.

but remember even among hoes female opportunism can destroy you.

In america e spitzer got humiliated by one biatch who went against code. while in italy burlesconi literally runs biaches out his house as hookers for YEARS.

this is not hate...this is what women are. deal with it.

My friend, the Jersey shore guys will pay a huge sum with the negative effects of excessive drinking, partying, and steroid abuse. I give them 5-10 years tops before they end up broke and fat. Let's see then they can still pull dime pieces. Don't think that just because they aren't handing over cold cash per se they aren't "paying" for it. Also keep in mind their appeal is limited mainly to the younger stupid white party girls. I doubt for example latin women or professional career chicks find these guys attractive

The billionaire guy has more staying power. Assuming he's not an AFC idiot, he will be able to bang 10s (of all races, personalities, and backgrounds) to his hearts content well into his 60s if he maintains his wealth. And the best part is he can actually be himself and not have to put on some douchebag facade to win some shallow b*tch's approval.

I would much rather be the rich guy

 

[sodbuster]

The Jersey Shore guys also have fame and a chance for her 15 minutes of fame...even if she has to sleep with him to get it. now if you or I had cameras in the room?

 

[sambwoy]

Jersey shore juiced dudes are what the hottest chicks want.

I don't like that kind of TV for this reason, or Average Joe or any of that. I can agree that a big part of it its manipulated and faked and specially edited, but even girls in my circles in the real world who aren't that 'hot' think they can pull guys like that, and that I do not understand.

I would like to think this is the case only with young (18-early 20s) impressionables, or shallow fashion student types, after which time learn through bitter disappointment that no-one is perfect, and their perfect looking guy doesn't exist, because someone like me is still trying to find themselves.

On that note, I never liked being a man.

 

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