How to Become Charming/Witty

Durden Tyler

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I have been coming to this site for years and have done some soul searching (why it took years to figure anything out, who the fvck knows) and realized my main issue is not approaching but being able to converse, having something creative to talk about. Then I thought more and really realized, I'm not a creative person in general.

Here on this site, I read what ones ideas are and think, man that's an intelligent person, how in the hell did he come up with that? Being ****y and funny is all a bunch of sh!t if you can't come up with something quick. There are so many post conversations that I'll think to myself, I should have said that or this AFTER I knew how the other responds to our conversation.

So then I thought, maybe I'm just an ignorant fool. I can't understand shakespear for sh!t. Been to the theater a few times and don't get that either (not the movie theater). But then I thought, I can read Einstiens books and know what it means. He had plenty of idea's, however I just read his ideas which stem from study. They weren't mine but I understood his. It appears I can get someting and apply it if there is a factual bases behind it, but if there is not, I don't get it, therefore I can't apply it. I know the theory of relativity is just a theory and not factual, I hope you know what I mean.

There is some kind of cause and effect thing going on here I can't put my finger on.

Any ideas? I hope this makes at least some sense. I sometimes have an issue trying to put what is on my mind in writing.
 

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Durden Tyler said:
I have been coming to this site for years and have done some soul searching (why it took years to figure anything out, who the fvck knows) and realized my main issue is not approaching but being able to converse, having something creative to talk about. Then I thought more and really realized, I'm not a creative person in general.

Here on this site, I read what ones ideas are and think, man that's an intelligent person, how in the hell did he come up with that? Being ****y and funny is all a bunch of sh!t if you can't come up with something quick. There are so many post conversations that I'll think to myself, I should have said that or this AFTER I knew how the other responds to our conversation.

So then I thought, maybe I'm just an ignorant fool. I can't understand shakespear for sh!t. Been to the theater a few times and don't get that either (not the movie theater). But then I thought, I can read Einstiens books and know what it means. He had plenty of idea's, however I just read his ideas which stem from study. They weren't mine but I understood his. It appears I can get someting and apply it if there is a factual bases behind it, but if there is not, I don't get it, therefore I can't apply it. I know the theory of relativity is just a theory and not factual, I hope you know what I mean.

There is some kind of cause and effect thing going on here I can't put my finger on.

Any ideas? I hope this makes at least some sense. I sometimes have an issue trying to put what is on my mind in writing.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but relativity has been proven. A great book for stuff like this is "The Dancing Wu Lei Masters"... pretty tough stuff but worth it in the long run. Or you could watch "What the Bleep Do We Know", but it's a pretty lame movie as a movie.

The easy way to do it? Who knows. But watching some more movies with cool cats in them might help.
 

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realsmoothie said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but relativity has been proven. A great book for stuff like this is "The Dancing Wu Lei Masters"... pretty tough stuff but worth it in the long run. Or you could watch "What the Bleep Do We Know", but it's a pretty lame movie as a movie.

The easy way to do it? Who knows. But watching some more movies with cool cats in them might help.
I understand what your saying but it is still theory.

If it has been proven based upon fact, then why isn't it the law of relativity instead of theory? The law of gravity is still considered by some to be theory. Same goes with the basic principles of electricity, it's still theory not law but it works exactly how we think it will.

What is The Dancing Wu Lei Masters? I'm assuming philosophy...
 

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That's the thing. Relativity pretty much renders any absolute "laws" as moot. That's the whole point of relativity: in the process of measuring something (i.e. trying to "prove" it), you change it. You can only measure movement, or location, not both at the same time.

As for the Dancing Wu Lei Masters... it's a book about the ways in which modern physics (i.e. post-Einstein) and ancient Asian philosohphy (i.e. Buddhism and the such) are saying pretty much the same thing.

It's not an easy read, but if you can talk about THIS than you can talk about anything.

Not exactly seduction material, though!
 

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realsmoothie said:
That's the thing. Relativity pretty much renders any absolute "laws" as moot. That's the whole point of relativity: in the process of measuring something (i.e. trying to "prove" it), you change it. You can only measure movement, or location, not both at the same time.

As for the Dancing Wu Lei Masters... it's a book about the ways in which modern physics (i.e. post-Einstein) and ancient Asian philosohphy (i.e. Buddhism and the such) are saying pretty much the same thing.

It's not an easy read, but if you can talk about THIS than you can talk about anything.

Not exactly seduction material, though!

The nail has been on the head! For some reason I can engage in conversations regarding relativity, law and theory, but as you mentioned, this is not exactly seduction material.

Your making me think...
 

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Focus on Her

The nail has been on the head! For some reason I can engage in conversations regarding relativity, law and theory, but as you mentioned, this is not exactly seduction material.

Your making me think...

HI Durden,

Have you read the Bible yet?

You can converse on the things you are interested in.

Prompt her on what she is intersted in and let her go and see where the convo takes you.

Remember, keep the focus on her.
 

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There's no quick solution. The real solution is to live a full life that you are happy about and after talking about the things you do and the things other people do, you tease about them because you are happy. It just happens.
 

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Charm can be taught. It's a combination of confidence plus knowledge of social conventions. It requires that you're comfortable in different social settings. Really just social sophistication.

Wit can be sharpened. My opinion is that you're either born witty or you're not. It requires a weird mix of intelligence, sarcasm and social awareness that most don't have. It's not wit when everyone in the room is scratching their heads, wondering what the hell you just said. That's why most geeks aren't witty, because they aren't in tune with their target audience.
 

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I've got the same sort of problem. So I talk with those who can hang with that sort of talk, and dance with the gals who can't.
 

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GirlCrazy said:
Charm can be taught. It's a combination of confidence plus knowledge of social conventions. It requires that you're comfortable in different social settings. Really just social sophistication.

Wit can be sharpened. My opinion is that you're either born witty or you're not. It requires a weird mix of intelligence, sarcasm and social awareness that most don't have. It's not wit when everyone in the room is scratching their heads, wondering what the hell you just said. That's why most geeks aren't witty, because they aren't in tune with their target audience.
Exactly... How do you learn this?
 

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GirlCrazy said:
Charm can be taught. It's a combination of confidence plus knowledge of social conventions. It requires that you're comfortable in different social settings. Really just social sophistication.

Durden Tyler said:
Exactly... How do you learn this?

One piece at a time. I think the mistake your trying to make is trying to put the whole puzzle together at once. You need to work on each tiny aspect of conversation, then put each piece (insert ****y, wit, funny, etc...) of the puzzle in over time as you get better.

Again the bible is great for this. Your problem may not be approaching but the bible is so much more than that. It's the complete puzzle, if you wizz through one part, you might get tied up in another aspect for a couple weeks, tryin to perfect the conversation aspect.
 

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realsmoothie said:
One thing I have learned:

Shut up, let her talk. Smile and nod.
I can shut up and nod quite well. I have difficulties getting to the nodding point.

Help me out here. For instance, in the produce section see an HB looking at plums. I walk up checking out plums myself and ask, how do you tell which are ripe. She explains I say okay and that's it, done, over. In different instances it's difficult to just come up with some intelligent charm and wit to make em laugh.

On the up side, at least I'll know how to tell if a plum is ripe.
 

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A HUGE mistake many men make is making fun of themselves. I mean, if you did something stupid (by accident), it is cool to have a good sense of humor about it and simply move on. And it might even be okay if you do it once or twice ONCE you are in a relationship (e.g. she ALREADY knows how masculine and confident you are).

But you see these guys making fun of themselves OVER and OVER and OVER...in the hope of trying to get a woman to laught at THEM!

What woman would want to be with a man that has such a low opinion of himself?
 

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Durden Tyler said:
I have been coming to this site for years and have done some soul searching (why it took years to figure anything out, who the fvck knows) and realized my main issue is not approaching but being able to converse, having something creative to talk about. Then I thought more and really realized, I'm not a creative person in general.
Neither am I. If a girl is interested in you she'll laugh at the "Why do firemen wear red suspenders" joke. I used to think that stories you told a girl when you first met her had to be true. But then I realized that not every guy is an adventurer whose been to the north pole. Sometimes it's ok to take a story you've heard from someone else and fit it to yourself. When I was younger I used to write good stories down in a little notebook. Then when I was sitting around bored I'd read the stories and change them a bit to make them fit to me. After reading them over and over they'd become a strong part of my memory and I'd be able to pull them out when I needed them.

Here on this site, I read what ones ideas are and think, man that's an intelligent person, how in the hell did he come up with that? Being ****y and funny is all a bunch of sh!t if you can't come up with something quick. There are so many post conversations that I'll think to myself, I should have said that or this AFTER I knew how the other responds to our conversation.
It takes practice. Most guys aren't as quick as Davey D. But the more you hear good wit the bigger your wit vocabulary becomes. Remember this, it's ok to use a phrase over and over again as long as you're using it with different people. For instance, my roommate always uses the quote "Mother Father" when he wants to say "Mother f**ker". Now to someone just hearing it for the first time, it's witty, but because I live with the guy I see he uses it all the time and it becomes cliche. Once you have something that's witty and works, keep using it. Over time you'll build up a vocabulary of witty statements and you'll start to sound like you're quick witted. There's no rule that says wit has to come from the tip of the tongue every time.

So then I thought, maybe I'm just an ignorant fool. I can't understand shakespear for sh!t. Been to the theater a few times and don't get that either (not the movie theater). But then I thought, I can read Einstiens books and know what it means. He had plenty of idea's, however I just read his ideas which stem from study. They weren't mine but I understood his. It appears I can get someting and apply it if there is a factual bases behind it, but if there is not, I don't get it, therefore I can't apply it. I know the theory of relativity is just a theory and not factual, I hope you know what I mean.
You sound a lot more left brained instead of right. You can understand analytical stuff; numbers, formula, computers a lot more then you can understand art and creativity. Not saying you're not creative, but you know what I mean. Well I believe a left brained person can learn to use his right brain a lot easier then the other way around. Instead of looking at art for it's "beauty" analyze it. You'll start to see the beauty in it from analyzing the color, the brush strokes, etc...

There is some kind of cause and effect thing going on here I can't put my finger on.
Sure there is, I'm glad you see that. Many people will disagree with what I am about to say, but you're analytical, and if it works... like Ockum (sp) said "The simplest solution is usually right". Humans are just animals. We have the same basic mating instincts are most of our ancestors and cousins. If you watch a pair of mammals in their mating routine you can see the similarities simplified.

A buck struts around with his head held high and fights other bucks to win over the females. Is there any difference between that and watching a couple of guys in a social situation; for instance playing pool or some other game? They're fighting, competing. Subconsiously the winner is in a way more attractive to a female. There's more to it because we have critical thinking, but simplified it's basically the same.

The blue bower bird will build a nest on the ground to impress the females. A female comes a long and inspects the nest then decides if she wants to be with that male. A girl comes over to your apartment and inspects it to see if she wants to be with you. There are similarities everywhere.

What I am trying to say is that you can pick up on a lot good strategies by watching nature work.

About relativity. The only part of relativity that's really been proven is time dilation. There are two different types of physicists; theoretical and observational. It's very easy to prove things when you're an observation physicist. You observe something working and you've basically proven it. This is how they proved time dilation. The took two clocks, one on the ground and one in an airplane and observed the one in the airplane ticking slower then the one on the ground.

Theoretical physics is a different story. It works by proving things using formula. Since math always works 1+1 always =2, pi always = 3.1417... you can use that to show how things might work. The problem with it is just because 2+2=4 doesn't mean you've proven anything, 1+3, 0+4, -1+5, etc... can also equal 4.

Einstein, like Hawkings are/were theoretical physicists, they use formula to prove their theories. There is no physical/observational proof that most of it is actually true, but because the math works and the math has never been proven to be WRONG in nature the scientific community pretty much accepts it as truth.

-Al
 

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Al,

That is pretty insightful reading. I will read it over a few more times and post my thoughts.

For that matter, all posts have given me something to think about.

On a side note,

I do have some friends that are just plain comical and I try to pay attention to their observations when they create a line out of thin air. I will think to myself that was pretty clever. When I have a discussion with another person, I will try and use the same material. I have found this to be difficult as well. I am using material that made the whole group laugh before however, I spit it out and responses are varied but nothing like I expereinced. Thus, I have discovered the delivery is just as important as the content itself.

I felt I was lacking confidence in my delivery. Again, I'm having a difficult time puting my thoughts into words. Hope this is making sense.

Thanks all... more is appreciated.
 

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You could have kept using the plum thing and asked what other fruits does she like.
 
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