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[Nighthawk]

That DeAngelo guy is full of crap.

Well argued!

See that's the difference between what some L(o)Sers (ha, did you see what I did there?)are calling our 'trolling' over there, and stuff like this. We made points, and were willing to debate them (before we all got banned and our posts deleted).

That's why despite the censorship we have got a bunch of new members and the Lovetrap trolls (Commando and Hombre mainly) will get no one to choose their site over this one.

 

[Commando]

Well argued!

See that's the difference between what some L(o)Sers (ha, did you see what I did there?)are calling our 'trolling' over there, and stuff like this. We made points, and were willing to debate them (before we all got banned and our posts deleted).

That's why despite the censorship we have got a bunch of new members and the Lovetrap trolls (Commando and Hombre mainly) will get no one to choose their site over this one.

Hey,

I am offering advice here and there and have agreed with some posts.

I don't really care which site anyone visits or likes more. Personally, I find the perspectives of both enlightening.

I posted my short opinion of DeAngleo. I shall elaborate. I have known a couple of dudes that employ his methods to their peril. They get frustrated that it does not work or that it only attracts the same insecure (temporary) relationships again and again.

Then they wake up at an older age and wonder why they work so hard and turn their head into a pretzel for absolutely nothing. Of course the false arrogance that is dictated in his literature cycles back in and they try again. However, they are both extremely depressed in their quiet moments and yes...alone. Quite a sad thing to see. In my humble opinion.

I guess David DeAngelo is living large however since he sells alot of books. I guess that would be his agenda. So be it.

 

[reset]

David Deangelo is great for teaching guys how to emulate a confident man, to get them on the track of actually being a confident man who doesn't need tips and techniques.

 

[Magma]

Hey,

I am offering advice here and there and have agreed with some posts.

I don't really care which site anyone visits or likes more. Personally, I find the perspectives of both enlightening.

I posted my short opinion of DeAngleo. I shall elaborate. I have known a couple of dudes that employ his methods to their peril. They get frustrated that it does not work or that it only attracts the same insecure (temporary) relationships again and again.

Then they wake up at an older age and wonder why they work so hard and turn their head into a pretzel for absolutely nothing. Of course the false arrogance that is dictated in his literature cycles back in and they try again. However, they are both extremely depressed in their quiet moments and yes...alone. Quite a sad thing to see. In my humble opinion.

I guess David DeAngelo is living large however since he sells alot of books. I guess that would be his agenda. So be it.

Some men subscribe to Deangelo's methods. Some do not. BFD. Newsflash: some guys just want to have shallow meaningless sex with hot women *gasp*. Some men do not subscribe to the LTR paradigm, and would rather live their lives unattached and free to pursue their whims at a moment's notice.

Just because someone gets married or involved in a serious LTR, doesn't mean they're not going to be alone (physically or emotionally) at some point. Sure Deangelo is selling books and making money. It's up to the individual to decide if Deangelo's ideas would help them achieve the desired end that the individual has set forth for themselves.

 

[Nighthawk]

Commando, after I posted I checked your posts and yeah there were a few real ones, so I take back the troll accusation.

As for David D, while not a slavish follower, I keep reading over at Loveshack (I know I shouldn't but I guess I'm a masochist) all the usual suspects saying of SoSuave and their twisted understanding of what it's about 'good luck with the bimbos,' 'you'll only get insecure women with that stuff' 'maybe it works with the under 30 set' and so on. Well, for a lot of young men, a stream of hot women, insecure or not, is what they want, and definitely better than nothing, which is what they will get if they follow most women's advice about what women want.

And will they wake up at 30 without a 'real' relationship, or die alone (as the LSers suggest). I don't think so. They will have had experience with women and plenty of choice, and will be much better able to take a 'good' one for a partner whenever they like. Being '****y and funny' doesn't just work on women with low self esteem.

 

[Mr. Me]

4. Just be yourself and do not pretend to be what you are not!

Read the article on the main site by the site admin, Allen Thompson, "Why Not "Just Be Yourself": http://www.sosuave.com/articles/whynot.htm

Just being themselves is what got many guys into the circumstances that led them to realize they needed to become better selves.

We start life as pretty much a blank slate. All behaviors are learned. They're habits, basically, that we either learn intentionally or slip into by default.

When we embark upon any new behavior/habit in order to seek personal improvement or growth, we are in essence "pretending to be something that we're not". In pop psych culture, the phrase is "fake it till you make it". It's about doing something repeatedly, although it feels awkward at first (only because it's new and unfamiliar), until it becomes a part of us.

However we arrived at being "ourselves" at this particular moment in time, there was a time previous to that where we weren't who we are today. During the learning curve (or breaking a bad habit) for whatever aspect of ourselves we developed, we 'faked it til we made it'.

We have the ability to become our personal best in whatever we wish to do, but that requires effort and thought.

If we decide to tone up our bodies, that requires putting away bad habits, getting up off the couch and developing new, heal their habits and routines. If we wish to learn a sport, learn an activity, be proficient at anything, it requires thought and effort.

Interacting with people also requires thought and effort, in short an education. We learn how to effectively deal with our employers, employees, children, our parents, our friends as well as how to handle relationships with our lovers and how to date. Those who don't learn how to be their personal best in these areas and believe it's a matter of doing whatever comes naturally, are kidding themselves. Knowledge and wisdom, not knee jerk reactions, are what's called for in any venture in life.

The weak advice to 'just be yourself' is a popular adage, and that's because it doesn't require any thinking or effort to exercise nor any thought and effort to parrot as advice.

 

[penkitten]

And will they wake up at 30 without a 'real' relationship, or die alone (as the LSers suggest).

hey this is a good sentence that i want to go into.
whether you are a man or a woman, wouldn't you rather be alone forever, comfortable and happy than to give that all up to live a demeaning life with someone who doesn't really make you all that happy just because you were afraid of being alone?
i would rather choose to walk this earth alone forever than to be in a horrible relationship with someone who treated me worse than dirt.

that is why nighthawk, and i , and many other people continue to come to this site to help others. no one deserves to be treated like crap in a relationship.
if you are being cheated on, abused, or used: leave that relationship and work on your own happiness. :cheer:

 

[Mr. Me]

or die alone (as the LSers suggest)

You know, that thought, of "dying alone"? It's saying that this is something terrible, to be avoided. It shows their mind set - of fear.

The truth of life is that we all die alone, unless we're involved in a fatal collision with our significant others where we both die at the same moment. Even so, death is a personal event. We're the only ones who will experience our own deaths. We go through it alone. We die alone.

It's natural to be alone. We are born alone. We live for periods of time alone. Our complete experience of life is something we have alone. We live inside our bodies and experience the world through touch and smell and vision, to name a few senses, which sends signals to our brains that interpret the world around us. In a way, it's like living in an organic spacesuit specifically made for planet earth. We are alone inside our spacesuits. Our journey here on earth may involve other people, but it's a journey we make alone.

When we embrace this fact of life, we do not need to have someone, anyone, just to be with someone, and settle, just so that we don't "die alone".

 

[reset]

The truth of life is that we all die alone, unless we're involved in a fatal collision with our significant others

Mr. Me I like your posts because even while you're being serious you're still being a sarcastic bastard.

I agree with what you say about "being yourself". That attitude is simple and destructive becasue it tells people that even if you aren't getting good results, it's ok to not change. I think it's a way to weed out the strong men from the weak ones. The strong ones will say "f that" and actually try to change.

That's what I'm doing. It's not easy but soon you start getting some momentum and it does get easier. But no way in hell do Identify with who I was, even six months ago. I decided I didn't like all the parts of that "self".

 

[Commando]

Commando, after I posted I checked your posts and yeah there were a few real ones, so I take back the troll accusation.

Thank you.

As for David D, while not a slavish follower, I keep reading over at Loveshack (I know I shouldn't but I guess I'm a masochist) all the usual suspects saying of SoSuave and their twisted understanding of what it's about 'good luck with the bimbos,' 'you'll only get insecure women with that stuff' 'maybe it works with the under 30 set' and so on. Well, for a lot of young men, a stream of hot women, insecure or not, is what they want, and definitely better than nothing, which is what they will get if they follow most women's advice about what women want.

I'm sure there are nuggets of widom to be read on both sites.

I guess dating/relationships is individually specific. If you want nsa sex and a lot of spinning plates then fine. Just be respectfully honest with those as to your intentions. There are girls out there too that don't want relationships either. I just have a problem with the content of someone character that employs deception and less then honest tactics to achieve an end goal, but that is me.

You will lose out on some girls using (some) of those methods. If you are aware of that then fine. I just see some really not being aware of what they are giving up in gaining. Again, this is my perspective and I hope that it helps.

And will they wake up at 30 without a 'real' relationship, or die alone (as the LSers suggest). I don't think so. They will have had experience with women and plenty of choice, and will be much better able to take a 'good' one for a partner whenever they like. Being '****y and funny' doesn't just work on women with low self esteem.

Ha, no they wake up around 40. Being funny and a little ****y is fine. Just when it is done with 'airs' it really is transparent. The neg points and the spinning tricks...I would say attracts the more insecure or aw girls and that is not going to work out well if you do start to fall for her.

There is a sacrifice to that lifestyle. I know you guys don't want to hear it, and a lot of you are on a journey to figure out the man you want to be. I hope it works out for you but I have seen where it has not (often).

Don't get too caught up in the game that you forget who you are.

 

[penkitten]

You know, that thought, of "dying alone"? It's saying that this is something terrible, to be avoided. It shows their mind set - of fear.

The truth of life is that we all die alone, unless we're involved in a fatal collision with our significant others where we both die at the same moment. Even so, death is a personal event. We're the only ones who will experience our own deaths. We go through it alone. We die alone.

It's natural to be alone. We are born alone. We live for periods of time alone. Our complete experience of life is something we have alone. We live inside our bodies and experience the world through touch and smell and vision, to name a few senses, which sends signals to our brains that interpret the world around us. In a way, it's like living in an organic spacesuit specifically made for planet earth. We are alone inside our spacesuits. Our journey here on earth may involve other people, but it's a journey we make alone.

When we embrace this fact of life, we do not need to have someone, anyone, just to be with someone, and settle, just so that we don't "die alone".

you know mr me that was the best post.

even twins that enter the world together, really still come out one at a time.
some of them live their entire lives as close as they can, sometimes they have their own little worlds with their own little languages and still the fact remains is that they do not leave this world together, but alone just as you said.

 

[Lishy]

I'm sorry, this is all idiotic advice. I'll go through each point and easily counter it.

1. "Look the best you can look" Women love shoddy men. They also seem to dig fat dudes. At the gym I go to, there is an HB8, who is the girlfriend of a fat guy with a mohawk. This idiot has no definition, bi*tch tits, and flabby arms and a mohawk. Yet she is all over his $hit. Another woman I know is dating a gangsta thug. He is missing more than one front tooth, and is obnoxious and uneducated, and a dope fiend, but she loves him like Scarlett loved Ashley. An attractive woman at the bar the other night was the steady girlfriend of an illegal Alien. Not just ugly, but illegal. So looks obviously have little to do with anything. My friend is after a woman who's ex is a Marine who looks like a short Pee Wee Herman with a moustache. WTF??? I have all the confidence in the World. I am bigger, stronger and faster than 90% of the competition, and I know more ways to pleasure a woman than the AFC as I have an extensive medical knowledge of the Anatomy and Physiology of the vagina. But it doesnt really help much.

2. Funny has little to do with anything. At a popular bar/restaurant in town, there is a Bulgarian Bartender that we all love, and we can make her laugh all day long, but she only dates, well, lets just say "College Basketball Players" and leave it at that. You can be fuc*king Robin Williams, and not get anywhere, but if you are Akeem Olijawan, you get her panties in your teeth.

3. I dont, believe you me, I am the most obnoxious, aloof, uncaring MOFO most women ever meet. They have to chase me, period. If I get a rebuff, all is OK once I get some form of revenge.

4. No problem.

5. See number 2.

I bet you are a real catch!:crazy:

 

[reset]

What I find interesting is the thread women have to "plate spinning", but I guess that's natural, female competition. I think plate spinning here can work for an eventual LTR. The idea is if you aren't so emotionally invested in one woman, and have some variety, and you really do find a woman who you would like to be in a LTR with, the fact that you aren't so needy probably got you to the point were you were able to really make a wise choice in a partner to begin with.

 

[Commando]

Oh wait...

I said "thank you". Does that detract from my suaveness?

:crackup:

 

[reset]

Ha, no they wake up around 40. Being funny and a little ****y is fine. Just when it is done with 'airs' it really is transparent. The neg points and the spinning tricks...I would say attracts the more insecure or aw girls and that is not going to work out well if you do start to fall for her.

I think you're under the assumption that this site is about "tricks". Anyone who's been here awhile and has tried some of these techniques will tell you that they are training wheels, a way to give yourself that extra boost. They are things to try to get you to experience what it's LIKE to be a confident man, and to see the results that confident men get from women, even if you're faking it. They are not ends in themselves. They are just little keys to open doors.

 

[Nighthawk]

This advice isn't idiotic, but neither is it the whole story.

From a thread started by the same Lishy over at Loveshack.

Why oh why oh why oh why do we always want the guys who dont make the effort and guys who dont seem to care about you unless you are in the sack?

Why do we balk at the nice guys that we say we want, but obsess over the ones who dont give a flying crap?

When guys chase us like crazy and we are not that interested to start but then we decide we will give it a shot why do they then turn cold?

Is it just an ego thing? Do we just want what we cant have? Are we just gluttons for punishment?

Tell me pleassssssssssseeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JackPrescott]

hey this is a good sentence that i want to go into.
whether you are a man or a woman, wouldn't you rather be alone forever, comfortable and happy than to give that all up to live a demeaning life with someone who doesn't really make you all that happy just because you were afraid of being alone?
i would rather choose to walk this earth alone forever than to be in a horrible relationship with someone who treated me worse than dirt.

that is why nighthawk, and i , and many other people continue to come to this site to help others. no one deserves to be treated like crap in a relationship.
if you are being cheated on, abused, or used: leave that relationship and work on your own happiness. :cheer:

The only woman who would brag about wanting to be alone forever is an ugly overweight woman with no chance at ever landing a man. EVERY single female I know, from co-workers, to female friends, to dating partners, to relatives HATE being single, (Not necessarily the "single life" and freedom, but waking up alone, and relying on vibrators and fingers for sexual fullfillment) and is on the manhunt to a more or less degree. Some are flakes, some are arrogant, and think themselves fukking Cinderella, some are wh0rish, and some are virginal. Some divorced, some still seeking Prince Charming. BUT all of them are seeking love, the REAL love of a LTR. Even those silly girls in their "Party Girl" phase are actively seeking males who can bring them to multiple orgasms in bed.

 

[ketostix]

I guess dating/relationships is individually specific. If you want nsa sex and a lot of spinning plates then fine. Just be respectfully honest with those as to your intentions. There are girls out there too that don't want relationships either. I just have a problem with the content of someone character that employs deception and less then honest tactics to achieve an end goal, but that is me.

Because women like everything laid out on the table and no mystery or challenge right? And it's not like women never employ deception and less than honest tactics . Actually if you're having sex with a girl, no one here advocates to tell her you're being exclusive.

You will lose out on some girls using (some) of those methods. If you are aware of that then fine. I just see some really not being aware of what they are giving up in gaining. Again, this is my perspective and I hope that it helps.

See you see a guy who was a failure with women while just being himself. Then he does David DeAngelo (DD) methods (poorly and incorrectly) and he's still a failure but at least he's not being manipulated into a woman's friendzone. Any you conclude it was doing the DD stuff is the reason for his failures. This proves nothing. Because you can find another guy who was doing OK with women but getting friends zoned a lot. He use DD and now he's getting what he wants from women. I'm not even a DD fan, just pointing out your error in reasoning.

Ha, no they wake up around 40. Being funny and a little ****y is fine. Just when it is done with 'airs' it really is transparent. The neg points and the spinning tricks...I would say attracts the more insecure or aw girls and that is not going to work out well if you do start to fall for her.

OK but this sounds a little like a version of, "That girl gave a guy what he wanted. She's a slut!".

There is a sacrifice to that lifestyle. I know you guys don't want to hear it, and a lot of you are on a journey to figure out the man you want to be. I hope it works out for you but I have seen where it has not (often).

Don't get too caught up in the game that you forget who you are.

There's so truth in this. But if a guy isn't getting anywhere doing what he has been doing he need's to change or improve. Your premise seems to be any changes he tries to make will necessarily be either futile or counterproductive, so why bother? It's all up to fate and what women say they want.

 

[HalfAddict]

Go away.

Seriously.

 

[Lishy]

The only woman who would brag about wanting to be alone forever is an ugly overweight woman with no chance at ever landing a man. EVERY single female I know, from co-workers, to female friends, to dating partners, to relatives HATE being single, (Not necessarily the "single life" and freedom, but waking up alone, and relying on vibrators and fingers for sexual fullfillment) and is on the manhunt to a more or less degree. Some are flakes, some are arrogant, and think themselves fukking Cinderella, some are wh0rish, and some are virginal. Some divorced, some still seeking Prince Charming. BUT all of them are seeking love, the REAL love of a LTR. Even those silly girls in their "Party Girl" phase are actively seeking males who can bring them to multiple orgasms in bed.

That is so true ... But I know I would rather do without than make do!